Acer MXM Models and Cards

Thx, your better than wikipedia lol
I now understand that eRecovery is something which I could have used if I hadn't already downloaded al the software on my 3 installation discs.
So, now I've learned everything there is about the Ati card, the ram, hard drive and drivers instalation in this forum, theres just this one thing I yet have to learn: changing the cpu in this acer ^^. In the thread about the ati hd 4650 (last page), I just found out the guy who replaced his gpu also has a 2.5 ghz processor. My total required 'laptoptuning-budget' has hereby risen to approx 500euros rofl.

Btw, in case anybody needs a link for the ati driver: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=387412

 

Student, upgrading the CPU is rather easy - unlock the existing CPU in the socket (by turning the screw on the top of it), remove the old CPU, drop in the new one (with thermal paste on top), and lock it back in. Done!
And yes, the T8300 and T9300 are the sweet spots for the x920G models.

 

I don't see it, according to this photograp http://www.notebookcheck.nl/Testrapport-Acer-Aspire-5920G-Notebook.4233.0.html
there are only 2 weird screws (which I don't have the right tool for to unscrew) on the right of the chip with Intel written on it.

Btw thx for telling those 2 cpu types, I hope they sell them here and they won't be too costy.

 

That's not the cpu...... That's the chipset label....... You can get by with just using a cheap magnetic screw driver.

The socket teh_suigi was talking about is this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Socket_P-above.png

Notice the screw at the top. You need to rotate it to one side to allow it to loosen. In your pictures, its underneath the piece in between the RAM and GPU.

And also, the most recent drivers aren't necessarily the best. Anything above 9.7 cause severe system crashes for my 4670 and MSI recommends using 8.8.

 

Ah so its underneath that silver block which is also attached to the copper heatsink. I'm not sure if i'm capapble of unscrewing that silver bow an all the stuff attached to get to my cpu Oo.

 

TBH, it's not something to take lightly. I was ambitious like you with my 6930G but because I wasn't really prepared for swapping the CPU, the process took me close to 7 hours which should have been something simple. triturbo should have a lot more experience with the 5920G but it seems since the heatsink line is so short, you'll have to actually remove the heatsink rather than just lifting it. So it seems like a full dis-assembly. Just hope there aren't any hidden screws and remember to plug in the fan. I disassembled my HP dv9000 and had to do it twice cause I forgot to plug in the fan..... And surprisingly, on the HP, the only thing conducting heat with the GPU is a piece of tin foil. Just a little piece of info if anyone wonders why theirs idles at 65C +.

 

Ok by the look of your photograph it clearly doesn't look that simple as I wished it would
I'll just wait til someone will trie assassins creed 2 on a 5920g with the original 2 ghz pu, with the ati hd 4650 and see if it works in directx10. If it does, I'll wait another few months untill the price drops from 200 to about 100, which should happen with all the new direct 11 x cards comming out.

 

Try to not get too discouraged, it is intimidating but its rather painless if you take your time. Unless if you have a problem like me where you get bored doing the same thing too long.

The T7300 should be enough for most games out now. As for the 4650, it should run DX10.1 provided that you have it installed. But for the price dropping, I wouldn't count too much on it since the DX11 cards use a different interface.

 

I'm in no hurry lol, but even if they won't drop, i'll show em! I'll just buy a ps3 and forget about pc gaming. All I want is AC2 anyway. All these new expensive technologies comming out which last like a year ... it's just crazy to try to keep up.

 

Actually I would upgrade if I were you.
First 3650HD MXM are cheap on ebay (Google it)
Second alot of these 8600M GT have lousy solder.
I have the feeling they are like a timebomb setting off to fail and it is just a matter of time.
You can take it as a fail safe + upgrade at the same time
Either way you are in a better position than me who is stucked on a 9100M G.

 

I don't want a 3650 hd which is practily the same or even worse, I only want to upgrade if its worth it. At the moment i'm not sure i'll be able to play as creed 2 even if I upgrade. If i have to choose between a 200 euro ati card or a 300 euro ps3, that choice is easily made.

 

It is not the same
It is an upgrade 3650HD has 48 5 dimensional Shader Unit while 8600M GT has 32 only. 16 more shaders
3650HD also has higher clock GPU 600MHZ vs 475MHZ ( 8600M GT)

 

It isn't a worthwhile upgrade. The 2 cards perform the same and the 8600M GT tends to OC better I have heard. People routinely manage 6000 3dmarks with the DDR3 8600M GT and 5000 with the DDR2 card.

 

Come on weinter, you know you can't compare clock speeds like that - the Radeon and GeForce are completely different architectures. That's not even taking into account overclockability, which is a whole other topic.
And the math on that Notebookcheck page is screwy - the HD 3650 has 120 / 5 = 24 shader units, not 48...and that's rather pointless anyway.
You're comparing apples to watermelons if you're focusing on shader units and clock speeds when it comes to ATi vs. Nvidia. Look to gaming results and benchmarks for a better idea.

As far as I can tell, the Radeon HD 3650 and GeForce 8600M GT are more or less equivalent when equipped with DDR2 video memory. When one or the other has GDDR3, they get the leg up due to the increased bandwidth.
Unless you can find a Radeon HD 3650 GDDR3 MXM card, stick with the 8600M GT until it burns out, if it burns out.

Speaking of which, my 9500M GS has lasted a year and a half without melting. Anyone else thinking that the reason they released it is to fix the bump issue?

 

Yea you are right it is 120/5 I failed to check the math.
Generally SP can tell the performance just that I forgot to check their maths and take their word for it.

 

Bump issue?

 

Oh well maybe you can't use SP as a general rule after all.
HD 4570 has 80 Streaming Processor (Divide by 5 = 16) yet it has the performance of 8600M GT...according to passmark.

 

Weinter, note that there's a GPU generation or two between the HD 4570 and the 8600M GT.
Student, there was a big stink a year or so ago when some GeForce 8400M and 8600M GPUs were failing at rapid rates. It was traced back to a bump of material on the GPU board that would crack and cause damage after an unknown number of power cycles.
Notebook manufacturers should replace it right away free of charge if it happens, and thankfully the 5920G has an MXM port so it should be a quick job too.

 

but check if it is an engineering sample. i am not sure if that is the reason or that i get the nvidia "not enough power to gpu" type message when i log in, but i have one of those and cannot o/c it at all. cant even dump the bios to modify it.
just to say, dont rely on o/c to justify the upgrade.
it is a good and easy upgrade from my 9500m gs and i am happy with the performance for now but there could be more.....

 

In order to add exception to MXM list, here is the news. I've finally upgraded my acer 8920G to ATI 4650 1GB DDR2. It was easier than easy. I finally got what I wanted ... a well balanced laptop. My next upgrade will be a new laptop. (As there is no more upgrade available for this laptop lol)


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Notebook : Acer 8920G - X9000 @2.8Ghz - 4GB DDR2 800Mhz (Dual channel) 5-5-5-15 - ATI Mobility Radeon HD4650 1GB DDR2 - Intel 64GB SSD & 320GB HDD - Win 7 Home premium (64bits)

 

erig007 - where did u get the 4650 from?

how much?

 

like others from 6930G laptop at ipc computer

 

Here is the link, u need the one which ends with .005
http://www.ipc-computer.eu/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=ati+radeon+hd+4650
they are 5 euros cheaper than last weak ^^

 

erig007 anychance you can post temp results for idle and load?

also would you have any pics?

thanks Student.

hmmm...
a bit pricey after conversion to AUS dollar - works out to be roughly that of an intel 80GB SSD...

anyone know what the model ending with .006 mean?

 

@ mookil, some guy in this forum said that I should take the one ending with .005 because the one with .006 might have another mxm slot.

 

I believe the .006 one is the one that belongs to the Aspire 8930G which is an MXM 3.0 card.

 

here are my temp results
idle : 42°C
load: 67°C

I don't have any pics but I can tell you that the ati card looks similar to the 9500M GS except the color and the rotated proc

I've lost 9°C just by changing the thermal paste from AS5 to Tuniq TX3 and by adding longer pieces of copper on both proc and memories
I don't know how benchmarkreview did their thermal paste test but I get better results by both Shin-etsu 7783 and Tuniq TX3 than AS5
If you add some copper be careful to not touch any metal parts from the graphic card nor the motherboard.
Keep in mind that the longer the copper sheet is the lower your temp will be

 

Apparently you can get the same kind of HD 4650 cards at this shop: http://www.laptop-ersatzteile.de/index.php?a=201346&ref=Elmar.com

It's only in German but the price is nearly half of what you pay at the IPC shop. Although it seems too good to be true if they state it on their site, they are bound by it.

 

time for me to get in touch with my German pals.

nice!

sry i should ask abt the performance?

 

Now thats a price that I am willing to pay. Did anyone try this yet?

I mailed them to ask wether they send their products to Belgium. I hope babelfish translater didn't make to many mistakes lol.

 

first of all Merry Christmas to everyone;


i have bought an nvidia Gt 240M mxm 3.0 type A to replace in an acer 5739G to AN NVIDIA GT 130m... the card has good performance in 3d.mark06 i score 3000pts for SM2 and 2900 points for HDR/SM3 NO OC at 1280x768, this is a little bit oF ati mobility 4670

I want to overclock at 10% my V.card definitely from bios, but don't find any utility that is able to recognize a bios of this gt216 architecture, i have tried with nibitor but nothing , someone have any suggestion, at January i have to try a gts 250M GDDR3 mxm 3.0 Type A of an Msi GT640

thanks

 

One guy in the Compal forum implied that he is going to buy the card there, but he didnt post any news on that.

I hope you joked about babelfish, that's like the worst translator ever ;-) Anyway, under EU Law they are practically bound to sell you that stuff providing that you place the order in a language they understand (which doesnt matter since you just have to click on "kaufen" and provide some information anyway) and you are willing to pay more for transportation. Their site also states that they have a higher transportation fee if the package is not delivered to Germany which indicates that they sell to other countries.

 

I was not joking about babelfish, I used that site to help me translate french immigrant archives from 1865, which is a lil bit more complicated than a german letter. Babeflish OWNZ

 

Happy christmas everyone,
I have an Acer 8930 which had an nvida 9600GT m inside, I the bought a ATI 3870 and placed it inside. When I turned it on the machine just turns back off, this happens over and over. So I then swaped back to the old 9600m and downloaded the ATI drivers and turn the acer off and swapped to the ATI card, and the same happend turn it on the it just turns back off again? I then went back to the 9600 card and all that showed was just colours red/green/black/blue and just repeats them. By this time my head is about to explode!!! So back to the ATI card and for some reason i pushed the chip part of the card with a pen and to my suprise it stayed on, not for long 3/4 mins and then turned back off again. The card is not loose in the machine but it defenantly doing better when the chip is pushed in. Then it gets worse, it must be my fault (after so much swappiung the cards) there is no life to the screen, nothing at all, and thats on both the cards. Arrrrrr I need help..............................................

 

I had a similar problem, the card without proper drivers run at hot enough temps to cause an auto shut off. You need a copper shim and really good paste to stabilize it until you can at least install drivers. But for the over doing it on swapping, i dunno about that. Even without a card, the screen should still light up. My 6930G runs a white screen without a card.

 

Hi everybody! Does anybody knows which best card can be put in an acer 8930g? any help most appreciated
cheers

 

someone can tell me if the Ati Mobility 3650 512 ddr2 work on acer Aspire 6930G?

Thanks

 

i would like to know that too is the 9700M GT the fastest ?

 

looks like i need some one that knows what there doing to take a look at it in person, as iv tryed my best. I like your idea for the heat. but if it works it should make the 3870 the best card for the 8930.

 

@Sypeni: The 9700M GT is the fastest proven card that'll fit into the 8930G, but that's only because it was sold with it. In theory, you could try any MXM-III card, but those would be unsupported and risky.

@VTS: Should be, especially since the Radeon HD 3650 is from the prior generation.

 

hi all!
newbie to the forum... but i have a start off question. i'm not a complete beginner to laptops, i have myself upgraded the cpu from t5250 to a t9300 and didnt break anything or lose any screws and replaced LCDs and upgraded ram etc. yadda yadda but after trwaling for days on end i have found lots of information on MXM and compatibility problems, but very little info on the Extensa 5620G.
Now i am hoping to go for GDDR3, and my choice of card would be the nVidia 9600M GT 512 card, one of the ones in the second post of this thread. has anyone heard of it working in an extensa 5620 or similar?

 

IDK, the 9600M GT is a picky card with some Acer laptops like the 6920G and the 4920G. I'm pretty sure the all-mighty MXM guy might know.

*Goes to bed waiting for teh_suigi*

PS: There's still a 6930G 4670 failure link.............

 

In theory, ATI Mobility 3870 should be the fastest MXM 2.1 Type III card for Acer 8930G, but I cannot find it on ebay and one user on previous page reported that it gave him blank screen.

 

info on MXM is so limited.... its frustrating.

somebody must know about Extensa 5620 or 5220 :'(
anybody got an nVidia 9600M GT GDDR3 upgraded to any similar laptops?

 

...paging kisetsu17, paging kisetsu17...
He's got an Extensa 4630G, so he might have some knowledge we don't.

As far as I know, the Extensas are more or less Aspires in cheaper clothing.
That being said, this really is frontier science out here. Any card that a notebook wasn't originally sold with or configured for is going to carry a risk of not working. As long as you've got the MXM card under the hood, you're more than welcome to try anything, size and BIOS permitting.

The 9600M GTs are sticky wickets in terms of compatibility, but people have also had success with its slightly slower cousin the 9600M GS (same core, same shaders, just lower clocks). Get the 256MB GDDR3 version if you can.
Alternatively, you could go for a Radeon HD 3650 GDDR3, or the Big Daddy of the MXM-II world, the Radeon HD 4650 DDR2.

 

The problem started when i put the Ati 3870 into my Acer 8930 and when i turned it on (with new drivers) it then it turned it self back off and it kept on doing this untill blank screen. Even the old 9600gt it showed the same blank screen, so it may be a fault with the new ati card or iv messed up the mother board some how. Its now in laptop A&E. Will keep you up dated...

 

Press and hold power button for 30 second with no power connected to reset the EC.

 

hmm, is there a 512 of 3650 ddr3? and i havnt seen a 4650 for sale anywhere... u got any places u know of?

what about the 3850 512mb gddr3? anyone know much about this card?

 

No, only a 256MB GDDR3. But then again, 512MB isn't really necessary. The amount of memory is far less important than its speed and bandwidth.
Search this topic, there are a few links to buy the Radeon HD 4650 already.

The Radeon HD 3850 is an MXM-III card at least, and will not fit into the MXM-II slot in your machine.

 

Can you be a bit more specific

is it MXM 3.0 or MXM 2.1 type III ?

both are completely different I believe!