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    Acer MXM Models and Cards

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by TehSuigi, Jul 4, 2009.

  1. spaanplaat

    spaanplaat Notebook Consultant

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    No but here it states the 260m needs 75 watts. :eek:

    Translation:
    I don't think my power adapter will like that. :eek:

    BTW I already have an high capacity 130 watts power supply but with 2 drives a massive screen and an x9100 (45 watts) + other components I don't think 130 watts will be enough if I happen to try out the 260m. :confused:


    You could be right there... but it should be tested to be sure... I need my pay check fast :D
     
  2. shaneee

    shaneee Notebook Geek

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    @ spaanplaat

    I didn't know that it is possible to change the power suply :p. We have 2 wait for the results of the 8920g. and when you have sended your lappie wich is a 8930g ten it is for sure it will work :D

    The powersuply is running hot already, what if the gtx 260m is at full speed :p
    The good thing is that according 2 mxm guy it is booting etc. now we have 2 wait for the termal information :D, But iam afraid it will run 2 hot!! because mine 9700m gt is already @ 95 degrees max!!:|

    Can't wait :p
     
  3. Ice-Tea

    Ice-Tea MXM Guru NBR Reviewer

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    Take the TDP numbers of notebookcheck with a pinch of salt

    [​IMG]

    If not, I'd like someone to explain to me how the GTX260 and 280 are both supposed to consume 75W :D

    I would not advise running the GTX260 on battery though.
     
  4. shaneee

    shaneee Notebook Geek

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    I was thinking off that 2! how will the 260m run at battery that has about 14.5 volts?? That means that p=u*I> that means that the power will drop! But right now with the 9700m gt it is also happening. when iam running at batery the clocks will drop about half of the maximum clock.

    If it comes to the critical point the notebook will shutdown?? that is not very handy when je want to run at battery power.

    so mxm guy come with some news updates :D :D
     
  5. Ice-Tea

    Ice-Tea MXM Guru NBR Reviewer

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    Well, the GTX260 craps out under 3Dmark06, which is not exactly unexpected.

    We'll try undervolting and underclocking a bit now.
     
  6. shaneee

    shaneee Notebook Geek

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    so your saying the gtx 26m has poor performance on full trottle. but it is working without even reducing the clocks. what about the temps??
     
  7. Ice-Tea

    Ice-Tea MXM Guru NBR Reviewer

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    No, I'm saying it overheats on stock clocks. We'll be reducing them to find a sweet spot.
     
  8. spaanplaat

    spaanplaat Notebook Consultant

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    I made a change in CPU from x9100 to p9700 for heating reasons. I think I simply ran it at the max. After 3 or 4 hours of gaming it sometimes shuts down on its own. I don't like starting the game over when I just completed a mission so I thought of a more permanent solution and since a P9700 only consumes 28 watts I thought it would be an excellent down/upgrade. The 200 Mhz isn't really noticeable but the power consumption and temps are allot better now. Also it should be able to handle the power hungry cards a little better. (at least in theory)
     
  9. Ice-Tea

    Ice-Tea MXM Guru NBR Reviewer

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    The radiator for CPU and GPU are combined, right? There's two factors here:

    - Radiator capacity. For this, your mod will help
    - Heatpipe capacity: little to be gained from your mod.
     
  10. spaanplaat

    spaanplaat Notebook Consultant

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    No, they share the same fan but not radiators and heat sink. I will post some test results this weekend if I have the time. But my temps for cpu are not accurate. It simply state the temps it reads during boot and the don't change. The GPU however shows the correct temp.
     
  11. shaneee

    shaneee Notebook Geek

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    Hi spaanplaat, so you switched your cpu. at what clock are you know? i have a E8335 @ 2,93ghz 35 watt
     
  12. spaanplaat

    spaanplaat Notebook Consultant

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    I'm at 2,8 Ghz at 28 watt. It makes no difference in the 'normal things'. At least I don't experience any slow-downs or stuff like that compared to the x9100. But luckily it is no longer a toaster. :D
     
  13. shaneee

    shaneee Notebook Geek

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    aha, not much diffirence xd. i have no problems with overheating! But i think it is beter that you consume 28 watt, now there will be plenty power for the 260m :D. HOpely the good news will come soon.
     
  14. shaneee

    shaneee Notebook Geek

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    btw spaanplaat i also have that problem with the temps off my cpu, it is not changing at all. But i've fixed it somehow..The name of mine cpu temp is"temp1".. But i forgot how i fixed it LOL:S...If you use speedfan and go to charts, i have a whole list temp1 temp2 temp3 gpu etc...do you have that 2?
     
  15. spaanplaat

    spaanplaat Notebook Consultant

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    You mean this program? I will take a look at it. But I rather want you try to remember how you got the temp problem fixed :D
     
  16. shaneee

    shaneee Notebook Geek

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    Yes that program, i found out how i did it. First of all it does'nt fix the coreo and core 1 value, but instead it show the cpu temp under "temp1". so i checked it on reboot and the core0 and core1 was exactly the same value as the "Temp1"

    1. Go to Start Menu -> Control Panel -> User Accounts and Family Safety -> User Account.
    2. Click on User Account Control settings link.
    3.Slide the slider bar to the lowest value (towards Never Notify), with description showing Never notify me.
    4. Restart laptop.

    Now when you already had speedfan you will notice that speedfanb recognize some more temps. in speedfan Go 2 Tab Reading and click on configure, Choos the Core0, Core1, Temp1 And ofcourse the GPU.

    Now restart your lap again. when it is started up immediately open speedfun again. Now you will notice that temp1 has the same value as core0 and core1, But the only diffirence is that temp1 is changing and core0,1 not

    I think this is only a good indication of the temp inside the cpu, because now you can't see the temp of the core0 and the core 1.

    Tell me what you think about this solution.
     
  17. shaneee

    shaneee Notebook Geek

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    btw nvidia driver 197.16 has been released today!

    New in Version 197.16:

    * Adds notebook support for 3D Vision on external displays. GPU and display requirements for notebook PCs can be found here . 3D Vision drivers for notebooks can be found here .
    * Adds or improves SLI support for top new gaming titles including Assassin Creed II , Avatar, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Command and Conquer 4: Tiberium Twilight, Dirt 2, Mass Effect 2, Metro 2033, Napoleon: Total War, Supreme Commander 2, World of Warcraft and more.
    * Upgrades PhysX System Software to version 9.10.0129 for new PhysX titles like Dark Void.
    * Upgrades HD Audio driver to version 1.0.9.1 (for supported GPUs).
    * Increases performance in several PC games from v195.62 WHQL. The following are examples of measured improvements. Results will vary depending on your GPU and system configuration:

    o Up to 13% performance increase in Crysis: Warhead with a single GPU
    o Up to 30% performance increase in Crysis: Warhead with SLI technology
    o Up to 13% performance increase in H.A.W.X with single GPU
    o Up to 15% performance increase in H.A.W.X with SLI technology
    o Up to 30% performance increase in Left 4 Dead with single GPU
    o Up to 28% performance increase in Left 4 Dead with SLI technology
     
  18. mookill

    mookill Notebook Geek

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    As an Acer 8920G owner with a 9500M GS (mxm 2.1)
    I eagerly await for further tests and results.
     
  19. TehSuigi

    TehSuigi Notebook Virtuoso

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    Thanks for the heads-up, shaneee!
    Not going to install it right away, but I will download it for later.
     
  20. shaneee

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    I have installed it, and the brightness isseu is gone!...And the fans work normal LOL!
     
  21. After

    After Newbie

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    Hi!!

    I have a acer 5738g-744g32mn ms2264 with P7450 and HD4570(ddr3)

    After hours of searching, i CANT find if my mobo has MXM slot

    I know that someone wrote that 5738G is NOT compatible with MXM slot, but there are many configs of 5738 notebook, some with T4400 and some with g105m gpu

    Can you plz help me?
     
  22. TehSuigi

    TehSuigi Notebook Virtuoso

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    Hi After, and welcome to the forums!
    Just because your notebook model is sold with a different graphics card doesn't mean that it's equipped with MXM. It just means that there are more than one motherboards for your machine - one with the Radeon HD 4570, another with the GeForce G 105M. That's how manufacturers did it before the advent of MXM, and how manufacturers who didn't adopt it still do it.
    Different CPUs are completely irrelevant - most full-size notebook motherboards have socketed CPUs that be dropped in during the configuration process.

    I managed to get a hold of the service manual for the 5738G, and can confirm that the graphics card is indeed embedded into the motherboard, and thus neither replaceable or MXM.
     
  23. After

    After Newbie

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    Thanx for the reply

    That thing that makes me believe that i dont have a mxm mobo, is the ddr3 memory
    I must open it myself to be convinced by 100%
    :cry:
     
  24. TehSuigi

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    What does DDR3 memory have to do with anything?
    The video memory modules are embedded into the motherboard along with the GPU core.
     
  25. clpdj

    clpdj Notebook Consultant

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    any chance to get an ati 4670 GDDR3 to run on acer 5930g ? and is it "overclock Bios editable" like my 9600m gt is?


    Bguards Acer GURU´S :D
     
  26. After

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    I saw that every mxm hd4570 card i found, had ddr2 mem
     
  27. TehSuigi

    TehSuigi Notebook Virtuoso

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    After, if you'll check the second post in this thread, you'll see that Radeon HD 4570s with DDR3 memory do exist; but that doesn't change the fact that your machine is NOT MXM.

    @clpdj: Not on the 5930G, but then again Radeon HD 4670 GDDR3s are the hardest cards to get a hold of right now. As far as I know, ATis are BIOS-editable, but you're asking the wrong guy.
     
  28. spaanplaat

    spaanplaat Notebook Consultant

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    No kidding, I search and ask all the contacts I have in the IT world, but none of them have any idea. I keep coming to that weird Asian guy but every time I try to contact him I receive the message he's out of 4670's right now and then he's trying to sell me the 4650.
     
  29. clpdj

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    :( to bad.... so i am limited to 9600m gt :S.... o really like the 6935g barbone but i cant fine on only barbone, if i wold find on i wold buy it and try to buy a 4670....

    thanks any way my friends ;)
     
  30. shaneee

    shaneee Notebook Geek

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    i have bought a esata/usb hd, but the esata speed is the same as the usb 2.0?! the 8930g has a esata port. does someone know what the problem is? do i need a driver for the esata port? i already tried to boot with the esata kabel in the laptop, still i get the same speed!
     
  31. spaanplaat

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    You're posting in the wrong thread, but my Esata works out of the box. Good speeds too. Around 50 to 60 MB depending on file size and drive speed.
     
  32. shaneee

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    my bad, i will post in somewhere else :p...Still did'nt heard anything about the 260m gtx. But if it works the card is to expensive (350euro), i rather sell my 8930g and buy the 8942g :p. Did you already tried sloving the temp isseu?
     
  33. spaanplaat

    spaanplaat Notebook Consultant

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    I did, that little program shows the temps presumingly as TEMP 0 and TEMP 1. Those value's differ sometimes but the cpu temps are static. Seems to me 2 sensors are identified wrong.
     
  34. shaneee

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    woow my english is not verry good, you are suppose to only use temp 1..temp1 is the only 1 that is the same the cpu temp.. did you tried to restart and then check the temp of the cpu and "temp1"

    it is possible that the sensors are identified wrong. Because when i restart the cpu temp is the same as my "temp1" temp
     
  35. spaanplaat

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    But that's what I mean. The Temp1 is the same as CPU right after boot. So I think Acer screwed something up with the sensors. As temp1 changes and should actually be called cpu1. Would this be possible with a register entry? (but shaneee, we should not go so off-topic here, perhaps we should post this in the 8930 owners lounge)
     
  36. shaneee

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    yes whe should post it in owners lounge. this tread is only about mxm cards i see now :p
     
  37. g47

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    I would like to know if an Acer Aspire 5740G-626G50Mn with an Ati Mobility Radeon HD 5650 is MXM or not. :/
     
  38. TehSuigi

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    I don't believe it is, especially since the 5942G is not MXM.
    Only one way to find out - crack that beast open!
     
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    Update:
    "Aspire 5720G - MXM-II, 8400M GS, Upgrade to 9500M GS, Upgrade to HD 3650"

    Aspire 5720z - MXM II , 8400M GS -> upgrade to 9650M GT 1GB DDR2
    (work fine with nVidia driver 185.70, it seem to have problem with nVidia drivers on WIN7 I have only get work with 185.70 the rest 195.X crash my WIN7 Ultimated).

    P.S: G96-650-C1, Asus chipset Rev. C1
     
  40. TehSuigi

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    Thanks for the upgrade emilf83, and kudos on the upgrade!
     
  41. mookill

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    any updates on the 8920G fitted with a GTX 260?
     
  42. shaneee

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    last week i send icetea a pm, he sad that they are stil testing....iam thinking off buying the 8942g :p
     
  43. Phaleron

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    Just put a Radeon 3650 DDR3 MXM type II into My Acer 5920G. One thing I did notice is that it works best if you add a small copper plate inbetween the heatsink and the GPU itself and the Radeon GPU die is a tiny bit thinner than the old 8600GT. Temps under load maxed out at 75 degree centigrade. A good 15 degrees less than without the small copper plate between the GPU and the copper heatsink.
     
  44. mookill

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    i'll prob hold off until the Ethos rolls out into 2nd revision.

    cant stand the 894x design.
     
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    Hi all, I just found an Nvidia 9650M GT 1GB MXM II card on e-bay and the seller states that it's compatible with Aspire 6920G, any chance this is true, since I know that there are problems with the 9600GT and 6920G ?
     
  46. TehSuigi

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    Possible, but the 9650M GT 1GB cards are equipped with DDR2 memory, and thus aren't as fast as Notebookcheck claims to be (because it averages out DDR2 benchmarks with the faster GDDR3-equipped cards).
    The only way to find out for certain is to give it a try.
     
  47. shaneee

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    @mookill.

    i don't like the ethos design! altough the touchpad looks nice :p the expensive 8943g has 16gb ram lol! but the processor and gpu remains the same as 8942g?! why didn't the put the 5870 in it darnit


    *8930g has the best design compare to other aspire series :D
     
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    Uh, also states DDR 3, so i wonder how true the rest is..
     
  50. TehSuigi

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    That's certainly an MXM-A slot and card - shoving in an MXM-B card might be difficult because of the capacitors in the way.
    You can try to get in touch with the fellows at MXM-Upgrade.com and see if they've still got any GeForce GTS 160M MXM-A cards left.
     
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