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    Acer MXM Models and Cards

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by TehSuigi, Jul 4, 2009.

  1. kwik76

    kwik76 Notebook Enthusiast

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    Oups,
    Sorry it was 4650 DDR2/DDR3 and 4670 DDR2/DDR3.
    Does the 4650 DDR3 is better than 4670 DDR2?
    Thank you
     
  2. TehSuigi

    TehSuigi Notebook Virtuoso

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    I already answered your question over here, kwik76.
     
  3. kwik76

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    Yes but i want to know if it's best to buy a 4650 DDR3 or 4670 DDR2?
    The 4650 DDR3 is 300$ and the 4670 DDR2 is 260$. :(
     
  4. TehSuigi

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    Kwik76, remember that you're supposed to be getting an MXM-II card. A desktop graphics card won't fit.
    Those prices sound like you're looking at desktop ATI Radeons
     
  5. kwik76

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    Yes, it's MXM-II type II cards. ;)
    But do you have an idea of the 3DMARK score of both cards?
    4650 DDR3 and 4670 DDR2? I hesitate between this 2 cards.
     
  6. lee_what2004

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    Get the 4650 DDR3,
    The 4670 is basically OC 4650...
    4650 DDR3 3dmark06 is around 6.5K @ 1280x768 with P8700....
     
  7. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Those are not desktop prices LOL.

    You would be looking at $50-70 for the desktop cards.
     
  8. kwik76

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  9. TehSuigi

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    According to my good friend AcerParts.com, the part number for the Radeon HD 4650 DDR3 correlates to a 1GB DDR 2 card.
    This was discussed elsewhere too - keep going to page 4 in this topic.

    I saw that a while ago too, but remembered that the Acer part number correlates to the DDR2 version - this seller's been occasionally wrong on his listings. As far as I know, Acer hasn't released a DDR3 version of the Radeon HD 4650 in an MXM-II format.

    And hey, I never claimed to be an expert on desktop GPUs. ;)
     
  10. sgogeta4

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    As TehSuigi stated, usually it's mistakenly written as DDR3 (technically should be GDDR3). If it were true though, the HD 4650 GDDR3 would definitely beat out the HD 4670 DDR2.
     
  11. Yiddo

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    I need to make a decision sharpish about going for the HD 4670 DDR2 MXM-II 1GB upgrade from the MXM boys for 200 euro. It looks a good deal the difference from the 3650 is clearly visible nearly a double jump in 3D mark but realisticly I may look at getting a new notebook around March 2011 when Dragon Age 2 is set to come out as I cant see the 4670 handling it.

    Has anyone run a FF14 benchmark with a 4670 - This is a long shot just would really like to know what score it comes out as im only hitting 800 on low with my HD 3650 although this appears quite good compared to the stupidly high scores that FF14 is going to require.
     
  12. TehSuigi

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    Remember that Notebookcheck aggregates its 3DMark results across multiple memory types and resolutions without saying so; all of the results for the HD 4670 are for GDDR3/DDR3 equipped cards, so your DDR2 Radeon HD 4670 would not likely meet those benchmarks.

    You'll still gain 1500-2000 3DMarks, AFAIK.
     
  13. Yiddo

    Yiddo Believe, Achieve, Receive

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    If it was 100-125 euros I would most probably buy it but when its around £175 its tricky choice, seems like a lot of money for an upgrade that I may not make the most from. I can also play a lot of things on my HD3650 that most reviews say no chance! For instance im running Starcraft 2 on all high settings with large scale battles and still getting no slowdown at all with a good FPS.

    It could just be that I love upgrading and taking my laptop apart.....'smacks self round the head' :D
     
  14. TehSuigi

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    That's a good enough reason in my books. :p
    What 3DMarks are you getting with your OC'd HD 3650 anyway?
     
  15. Yiddo

    Yiddo Believe, Achieve, Receive

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    At 1366 x 768 and with the settings I normally use which are medium to high im getting 4187 at 800/600

    Before my CPU/OS/Ram upgrade I was only getting around 3700
     
  16. TehSuigi

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    Dallers, you should actually leave all the settings at their defaults in order to ensure a fair comparison with other machines.
    That means a resolution of 1280x768 for our machines.
     
  17. Yiddo

    Yiddo Believe, Achieve, Receive

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    Yeah I will have to run it sometime but I cant run that resolution Tehsuigi my laptop only runs 1366 x 768 dunno why but it cant run 1280 x 768 with my widescreen? Any ideas? I have to run it through my HD Tv to be able to test 3DMark in that resolution.
     
  18. TehSuigi

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    1280x1024 is the default for 3DMark06, but it'll go to 1280x(whatever your monitor's capable of) on a smaller monitor.
    Maybe you need to define 1280x768 as a custom resolution in the Catalyst Control Center to get it that way.
     
  19. yaveaina

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    I know that this place isn´t the correct, but I can´t find the information I´m looking for, i need help to make the "gpu copper pads" trick in my acer aspire 5920, but i don´t know the size of the pads needed :S
     
  20. TehSuigi

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    Yaveaina, this is as close to the right place to ask as any. I've deleted your other posts on the matter in other topics - cross-posting is not allowed under the forum rules.
    I'm afraid I don't know myself, but surely some other upgrader would.
     
  21. Yiddo

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    ..Is still hovering over the buy now button on MXM-Upgrade.com. :confused:
     
  23. Koen

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  24. TehSuigi

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    Now it's totally up to you. If you've got the budget, go for it!
    You'll have one of the best 6920Gs on the forum, I can tell you that much.
     
  25. Yiddo

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    Im seriously considering it Tehsuigi what are my other options though?

    I see your running a GeForce 9500 how is it? I got on really well with Geforce when I had a desktop and stayed well clear of ATI. But ive been really quite impressed with my HD3650 especially with games such as Oblivion it is just becoming more and more dated and looks so low in the Grade 2 MXM cards list.
     
  26. TehSuigi

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    Other options? Weaker cards, the rough equivalent to the Radeon HD 4650 in the GeForce 9650M GT DDR2, the partially-compatible-but-faster GeForce 9600M GT GDDR3, or the hard-to-find GeForce 9600M GS GDDR3. All three of those cards share the same 32-shader core, so the 9600M GS can be overclocked to GT levels.

    The 9500M GS is just a rebadged and fine-tuned 8600M GT, but it's a surprisingly good overclocker.
    Trouble is, you'd probably pay through the nose to get it, and it is slower than the other options.
     
  27. yaveaina

    yaveaina Newbie

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    hi all!
    thanks for the link ( http://metaloffcuts.co.uk/shop/heatsinks.html), but... what size? is the correct for my acer aspire 5920g ? XDD is already my question XDD, in the other hand, is dangerous put this piece of metal, that can´t permit the gpu increase its size because the heat? can break the chip the preassure?
    pd:excuse my poor english XD
     
  28. Koen

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    @yaveaina

    15x15x0.7 for ati hd 3650, no idea for anything else, use it with small amounts of arctic silver 5 thermal paste

    check Morris’ Aspire 5920 GPU Swap/upgrade for the ultimate collection of info & experiences
     
  29. Gloomie

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    I recently got myself an Aspire 5741G equipped with a GeForce 320M GT. I was wondering if anyone knows whether the GPU is embedded or an MXM type? I'm a bit afraid its not MXM but I didn't actually open the laptop up yet. I noticed someone had already asked about it but he didn't get an answer...I suppose nobody knows :p

    You apparrently need to remove the whole bottom casing to see the CPU/GPU portion of the motherboard. I already peeked inside the small panel you can detach but only the HDD & RAM were visible through that.

    If I have time over the weekend I might open it up and post some shots.

    In other news I was considering updgrading my good old 7720ZG to a 9650M GT, but I think there wouldn't be much point in that since I got the new one now :p

    Oh and by the way, great work with this thread & the forum in general. Hopefully I can contribute in some way as well :)
     
  30. impish

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    hey, TehSuigi!

    My laptop got his 9650m gt but i have heat problem with this! If i dont do anything with the laptop the GPU temperature is around 55-60 celsius but if i start for example the windows 7 performance test it goes up until 102 and i didnot dare to let run this program and shut it down and it goes back to 60! what can be the problem and could you give me a program that can set the fan control because i hate when the temperature goes back to 55-60, the fan goes off and when it goes to 70+ it start to work again. pls help me fast thx!
     
  31. Meaker@Sager

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    5741G looks like it's embedded acording to the FRU.

    Impish, clean your heatsinks and maybe look into a good thermal paste. Keep the machine on a flat surface and dont block any vents.
     
  32. TehSuigi

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    @Gloomie: Welcome to the forums! The 5741G is likely not MXM, and it's upsetting that the latter models of Acer machines don't have it. I hate to think we're to blame. :)

    @impish: Meaker made some good points - did you apply a thermal compound to the GPU core where it connects to the heatsink? Did you apply too much? Idle temps sound fine at least. As for fan control, I don't believe any software has really cracked Acer's coding.
     
  33. Gloomie

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    Yeah thats what I was afraid of :p
    Ah well, I suppose I won't be upgrading this one then! So far I'm very happy for the performance though, especially considering how cheap it was :p

    My old 7720ZG was such a wonder for upgrading after I researched a little, so I guess I sort of blindly jumped into buying an Acer (the 5741G) straight away. Managed to upgrade that from a crappy T2310 Dualcore Pentium to a Core 2 Duo T7500 and the 8400M GS into a 8600M GT.

    Anyway, if I'll find the time to open my new one up I'll post some shots so maybe we'll get some confirmations to our suspicions.
     
  34. impish

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    yes i put thermal compound to the gpu core where it connect and dont think i put too much. btw someone tell me from the forum he had the same problem because the 9650m GT is a bit overclocked(5%) by the manufacturer and when he edit its bios and set the gpu voltage to 0.93V from 1.1 he got the good temperature on load! and he is saying true because i log the temperature and gpu voltage in a file with a program and when i stress the computer and voltage goes up to 1.1V from 0.9 the temperature goes up to 90+! just i dont know how to set bios and flash it :S
     
  35. hexxor93

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    With this card I've never had it go over 80c on my laptop. I've edited the bios but couldn't change the voltage for some odd reason. You sure your laptop fan is working right?
     
  36. impish

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    what did you edited in the bios??
     
  37. Arminator

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    I discussed with "impish" about his GPU temps...
    and "hexxor93" my GPU reaches higher temps than your because my CPU gets very very hot when under load... It is Turion and it is made in 90nm and yours T9300 is made in 45nm so it is not getting hot as my Turion and that might a reason why your GPU also doesn`t get that hot...
    When I decreased vcore of my GPU I got temp decrease for about 15-20 C so it is was worth of it since I didn`t lose any performance...
     
  38. hexxor93

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    Ah amd user :p if you can dump your gpu bios and see if anyone can under volt it for you and lower the clocks. Arminator how did you manage to lower the voltage of yours?
     
  39. Arminator

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    When Nibitor reads your BIOS, open "Tools" tab and choose "Voltage table editor"... There you will get option to change any of 4 slots for voltage of your GPU core...
     
  40. hexxor93

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    Cool thanks you Arminator :) You learn something new everyday.
     
  41. Arminator

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    Glad it helped... ;)
    Our friend impish is still having troubles with reading bios from his card...
     
  42. hexxor93

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    It should be using the same bios as ours which is a asus one no doubt could always use one of ours and change what needs to be, upload it. Should work and would help him...
     
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    I have sent him a copy of my edited hope it will work...
     
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    Is it possible to upgrade Ati 4330 on ACER timeline 3810tg ? which type of mxm does 4330? I have an Aspire6930g, I am planning to buy a second hand ACER timeline 3810tg and change their graph. cards if possible. (mxm-II 4650)
     
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    Hey for £25 + shipping (from UK) I have a second revision (HAX5DM) TL-60. First batch (AAA8G stepping) so they used their top quality silicon.

    Has the lowest possible default voltage and if you can change your voltage it will do its stock 2ghz at 0.9v :cool: possibly down to 0.875v.

    Also if you can overclock it will do 2.4ghz at just above 1v which means it could have been binned as a tl-68.
     
  46. TehSuigi

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    I don't think so - the Timeline models are likely too thin to accommodate the added height of an MXM card and slot into their thermal design.
     
  47. Arminator

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    Can you give me any link where to check its testing and where to buy it?
     
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    Thanks, I found pict. of under back cover only rams and hdd are accessible.
     
  49. impish

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    hey guys i have upgrade my bios but have the same heat problem and when the temperature of the GPU goes over about 103-104 degrees i have a huge fps lagg. that mean i have 60-100 fps in a game and when the temperature goes over 103 degrees the fps drop down to 5-6 and after a short period the fps comes back but 10-15 sec later i get this fps lagg again and again :S any issue for it? do you think guys the thermal paste is too much or too less(a mechanics do it so i think he do everything or what can be the problem? i think the laptop cooling system cant handle that videocard heat but i cant believe is :S pls help


    what do you think a better thermal paste for example Arctic Silver 5 and some heatsink like that http://metaloffcuts.co.uk/shop/heatsinks/copper-heatsink-0-9mm-absorbs-electronic-heat.html can be produce huge temperature decreasing??
     
  50. hexxor93

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    Hmm maybe try cleaning the paste off and applying a small ball shape on the chip as you don't need a lot at all the more normally the worse the cooling will be. That heatsink looks good enough that would help. Its cheap so order it and see how it goes. Never know it might sort your issue out. Also the fps will drop as the card is trying to cool itself down so it mainly lowers its clocks to save the card from getting damaged, hence why everything starts to lag.
     
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