Acer TimelineX 3830/4830/5830 T/G

Hum, I'm running prime95 on stock, nothing changed at all, and at 20 multiplier, it never goes over 73c, after running for 45 mins. without a profile, it eventually reaches 80c and throttles though, after roughly 30 mins.

The fact that I'm using this on a basement might make a difference? The air temperature is quite agreeable.

 

Both amazon and tiger direct stopped selling the 5830TG. Amazon had it on 2-5 week delay, but not its not even there anymore. Tiger is not out of stock but unavailable. Whats the deal?

 

I tried prime95 quickly without throttlestop, so turbo on (@2.7Ghz)
turbo disabled itself after 1/4h, @89/80°
then it kept 83/73° for the next 20min, @2.3Ghz

I didn't think turbo would fire up when all threads are 100% busy..

 

This is great, but what about processes that use the GPU and CPU heavily together? DX:HR or TF2? Try running those an hour or two and see how your temps go.

 

that key is beside enter also, it is sooooo annoying lol. \\\ITS ATTACK ME FROM BOTH SIDES\\\\\\

 

I had Prime95 running, as you can see, and also MSI Kombuster (basically Furmark). That combination should simulate as much, or even more load than any game will.

Without the heatsinks, and the back panel removed with a laptop cooler, the notebook actually runs hotter. I can't wait to see what kind of results I get when I combine heatsinks on the heatpipes, back panel off, and a notebook cooler. Full speed 2620M anyone?

 

Maybe I'll try picking some up in Sham Shui Po. Called service center today to check on my repair, they said they "detected system instability" and it was a software problem causing my battery. I told them it was definitely hardware, and that the overheating was still an issue. They just said their technicians said that was the problem and didn't know any other details. s, I refuse to take my laptop back without them fixing the hardware, period.

 

I am quite impressed with the effort you are putting in to this throttling issue, keep it up! I looking forward for more updates!

 

Lets just say I am determined to make this work... I got a smokin deal on the laptop itself, and Engineering Sample Sandy Bridge CPU's are dirt cheap. NEW intel CPU Intel Core i7 2620M Q16M 4M 2.7GHz PGA988 | eBay

I found the absolute perfect BGA heatsinks to put on the heatpipes. I could fit two pennies high all the way down the heatpipes and still close the back cover. These BGA heatsinks are exactly three pennies high. I figure after removing the black coating, and sanding down the fins slightly, they will fit perfect.

If anyone else wants to try this, just email Gelid Solutions saying you are looking for a replacement pack of BGA heatsinks for your "Gelid Icy Vision Rev.2". I got 16 of them with thermal tape for $8.00 USD shipped. I have that cooler on my GTX285 and noticed that these are some of the lowest profile heatsinks I've ever seen. No guarantees this will work, but adding a healthy amount of surface area for the heatpipes to dissapate heat to air certainly wont hurt.

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Cheers guys

 

Can't hurt. If you can stop that I3-2310M from throttling down at its 85C Thermal Limit, you can run that I7 all day long. Nice to see somebody tackling the Timelines' fatal flaw. It's not for everybody, but the prices on these are only going to get less considering all the competition that is out there ATM. Plus, it looks like SB is the only game in town for the next 7 or 8 months, since Intel is not releasing Ivybridge Mobile CPU's until next April, anticipating a down turn in the PC market.

 

just started the cooler master s 19, its pretty nice and somewhat over priced but im still loving it, lowest temps ildling is like 29 on med or high, havent gamed yet but will soon. no mods to laptop, well see how it does with grills off.

 

i7-2620M - ordered
IC Diamond paste - ordered
16x BGA Heatsinks - ordered

Now we play the waiting game.

If anyone is looking for an i7-2620M, or an i5-2520M, I got mine on Taobao.com, ordered through Taobaooutlet.com.

$75 for an ES 2620M? WIN

 

I never ordered from this site? is this safe? i have paypal account I'm tempted go ahead and upgrade to quads ³å×ê´ÙÏú°üÓÊ* Intel Sandy Bridge i7 2620M Q16M D0 35W ES°æ±¾-ÌÔ±¦Íø 35watt 2620M for 62.5$ + shipping ? not bad any advice? thanks.

 

Would the i7 be cooler than the i5? Also, what if you want to be able to close the case? Is it possible to find ram-sinks that are that low-profile?

 

Check what I posted earlier. Those Gelid ones are the lowest profile I've seen. If you sand off the black coating (to ensure better heat transfer to the heatsinks) and sand down the fins on heatsinks, I think you can make it fit with the cover on. If you end up taking the back panel off and having it sit on a notebook cooler, I'm don't see how it could load higher than 79C, the heatsinks would have an enormous effect. I haven't tried this, but I've already ordered everything I need. The IC Diamond paste should be good for at least 4C as well if you order some.

 

i hate to rain on your parade....but i tried 3 ES versions of the 2630qm and none would boot....i had to get the oem version of it for it to boot,

dont really know why....there practically the same except from cpu microcode and a few slight changes, most es chips are heavily abused in heat tests too.


josh

 

does the 4830TG's dolby home theater software have an update? it sometimes hangs when selecting between profiles and gives out "not responding" error message.

 

That's likely because you tried quads, which unless I am mistaken are not supported natively by the 3830TG.

NEW Intel Core i5-2520M Q17N ES not 2920 2820 2720 2630 | eBay

Model: Q17N (ES,=engineering smple)

Stepping: D0 (Pre-QS)

" Q: Would this work in the Acer 3830TG? Thanks
A: Yes, this 100% works in the Acer 3830TG"

99.1% feedback, so I doubt he isn't telling the truth. The 2620M I ordered is Q16M D0 so I'm quite confident.

 

you can definatly get higher clock cpus working the timeline series. if you have proper cooling that is.

i oced my 540m today to 800/1000 and played for 2.5 hours and the max cpu temp was 78 and gpu was 71.

 

is that with a cooling pad? What game?

 

I have my setup oced to 835gpu 1075 mem, funny thing is that the cpu causes more heat than gpu even while i oced the gpu.
its been stable for days, I'm also using a cheap laptop cooler from ebay 180mm fan. I attached the log so you can see the clocks i tried and the average temps. these temps are pretty much the ones i get for most games as i have ambient temps. I have profiles 23x to 20x in throttlestop .

p.s. if i tried ocing without a laptop cooler temps would easily go over 95c causing a shutdown.

 

Hey, I have a 3830tg, and my battery life has been pretty ehh so far. I have a panasonic battery with 9 percent wear, but I've seen that my discharge rate is way too high for idle use. With brightness at 20 percent, cpu clocked down, and wifi on, I get a discharge rate of -14699mW, which seems way too high. I could send my laptop in and get a Sanyo battery, but I need it for day to day use. Any tips?

 

I was in the same boat. Sent it in 6 days ago and who knows when I'll see it or if they will even fix it.

I could have been wasting my life playing deus ex for the last week! Those ers.

 

send it back to acer that's why i"ll do too
i have to send it back this week,my wear with panasonic battery is very high (26%,have it for 3 weeks)

do you tell them to replace it with a sanyo?

 

BHphoto had it instock on friday, but now have it labled "discontinued"

Acer Aspire TimelineX AS5830TG-6402 15.6" LX.RHQ02.021 B&H

 

The higher binned I5-2430M has been released.

 

Yeah they didn't listen, they just said it was a software problem because my system was "unstable" so they were running tests. God.

 

were u referring to my comment?

 

ok Tell us the result when u receive it
hope they solve the problem

 

good feedback or not i highly doubt he has tried it in the 3830tg , though there is a 2620 in the 3830tg in one of the models its not a engineering sample, which is most likely does not have the microcode for.


the quad core works in it, i have the 2630qm oem version in mine, im still running some tests but its been very stable so far.

so far every ES chip i have tried in it WILL NOT boot up, it will simply start up and show acer bios screen and shut down because the cpu is not recognized.

josh

 

I tried to find out fan control values in EC using RW-Everything, couldn't succeed

 

The point is that while Acer was designing the motherboard and the rest of laptop, before the Sandy Bridge mobiles were officially "done", they likely used ES/QS chips for testing. The 3830TG wasn't meant to come with a quad, so why would they use quad ES/QS in the design/testing phases? I'm not surprised an OEM one boots, because Intel would want to ensure perfect compatibility in the final stepping. Unless Acer removed the microcodes (time and effort), or was able to somehow design and release a Sandy Bridge laptop using only OEM chips (unlikely, how slow to market would this be? wouldn't a laptop manufacturer not order OEM chips until they were ready to start mass production?) I don't see why an ES chip wouldn't work. Did you actually test a dual core ES? or just quads?

My order for a 2620M got cancelled because they ran out of stock. Debating just returning the 3830 and using my ID49C until Ivy Bridge.

 

So guys, i could kinda use some help.

I replaced the TIM today, and now i have problem.

When i push the power button, the light turns on for like 1 second, then turns off. Nothing else happens. Also the battery indicator light turns on, at the same time as the power LED. Once the power button LED turns off, the battery indicator flashes red twice.

Any thoughts? I already went back and checked the cables, everything seems to be hooked up ok.

 

Yikes, that doesn't sound good. What TIM did you use? AS5 is capacitive so you have to be careful.

 

I use Ceramique for that reason.

Well, also it doesn't freeze until like -120c, but that is another story...

So yea, I am kinda out of ideas here. might move into "hope acer will RMA it" phase.

 

I don't get this, could you explain ? -120°c ?

For your problem, you may wanna try to remove the battery and hold the power button down for 30s, it could help if the problem is caused by static electricity.
Unlikely, but it's still worth a shot.

Did anyone try to find how fan rpm is handled by ACPI ?

 

Can i just unplug the battery, since there is no way to remove it?

You don't get 5.5Ghz on air (unless you have a godlike 2600K)

Dry ice only goes down to -80ish

most metal based pastes will freeze at about -30-50.

 

We're talking quad-cores, right? The i5 in the 3830TG is a quad-core, so I'm not sure what you mean when you say it wasn't meant to come with a quad.

 

none of the 3830s ship with quad cores.

 

ThrottleStop 3.40

-Added base multiplier reporting to the TRL window and fixed the Disable Turbo feature for Core i CPUs.

I finally had a Core i5 to play with for a few days so I was able to find a bug in the Disable Turbo feature. The new version of TS disables turbo boost more reliably so it should be better at controlling any over heating issues in the Acer 3830TG.

 

The Core i5 is just 2 cores with 4 threads.
Core i7 Quad core (not i7 2620M) has 4 cores 8 thread.

 

the download link for TS 3.40 doesn't work .

 

Sure, should be the same.

Oh, ok, you're talking about hardcore o/c.
Didn't think of that since we're on laptops, got it now

 

Could this have been what caused my overheating issues? It started getting worse around when I updated I think.

 

I doubt it this laptop overheats the same i been using TS since 3.00 and 3.20, you definitely need a laptop cooler and not use Turbo mode when you game with gpu on.

 

Nah man, never had a bit of a problem the first 2 weeks I had the laptop. Played Crysis 2 for 3 hours sometimes, TF2 1/1.5 hours, temps never above 94C. This is with a GPU overclock and no laptop cooler crap. Then suddenly they start spiking to 99C and then BAM one day I get a shutdown and it's never quite the same

 

ok,i send my laptop back to acer today
i will tell you if they replace the battery with a sanyo or an another panasonic

 

thankfully i never have to worry about battery wear (even though mines still at 0 after 3 discharges) since i never keep my laptops for more than a year at longest.

and the only way i can get my temps to 90+ is if i block the vent. after long hours of gaming my temps are never past 80 generally around 77 depending on how hot my room is.

 

Heatless, or anyone else who re-applied the thermal paste.

I just opend up my laptop and removed the heatsink and re-applyed the thermal paste. I agree that the thermal pate that was origionally on there was not applyed very well. And after cleaning it and putting on some thermal paste that I had lying around I did notice an improvement for a while. The CPU would stay at 2.6Ghz at 60C. However after playing Battlefield: Bad Company 2 for 10 minutes the CPU was up to 78C and was staying clocked at 1.2Ghz.

I fear I may not have put the thermal paste on correctly. (In the past I've usually used heatsinks that com with the "pad".) Can anyone explain exactly what it should look like when applied correctly?

Or, could it be that the thermal paste I used is not very good?

Thanks!

 

The Acer engineers that don't understand how to build an adequate cooling solution is the biggest problem.

If your temperatures suddenly go way up in a short period of time, that's usually a sign that the heatsink is not firmly attached to the CPU like it should be. Some laptops are poorly designed so users have to do their own engineering to improve the cooling system.

If you are using ThrottleStop, I wouldn't be running my CPU over 95C. That's too hot and is getting too close the Intel designed thermal throttling point. Try using a lower multiplier if you are running this hot and you should redo your thermal paste if their is a sudden change. Make sure the room temperature is consistent when making comparisons.

If you ever replace a thermal pad with thermal paste, you have to make sure that the contact pressure between the heatsink and CPU stays the same.