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    Do it yourself: Bluetooth module for Aspire 3680

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by letmealone, Nov 5, 2007.

  1. letmealone

    letmealone Notebook Guru

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    Studying photos of Bluetooth modules for sale online, i was able to find out the pinout of the Bluetooth connector of our loved 3680, and make work on it a usb Bluetooth dongle as Bluetooth internal module. Do as this:
    open the memory bay under the laptop, you'll see a 6 pin white connector, marked as CN19. It is our 3680 Bluetooth connector. The pins signals are this, counting 1 the pin in direction of the screws, 6 the one in direction of ram modules:

    1 > +3.3 V
    2 > GND
    3 > DATA +
    4 > DATA -
    5 > BLUE LIGHT
    6 > NOT USED

    Now buy for cheap a bluetooth usb dongle, and if possible make sure that it works also at 3.3 V (they work usually at the 5 V of an usb port, but many of them work well also at 3.3 V). If necessary remove its external shell, and connect to it with wiring cables the pins of CN19 as showed here:

    [​IMG]

    Wrap all the usb dongle with insulant tape to prevent any short fuse on the laptop board, stick it with some adesive tape in the empty space of the board at left of memory modules, and close the bay.
    At first reboot, you should see the blue light working, then going off when Windows is loaded. Just turn it on with the Bluetooth button, the blue light will be on and the system will prompt you for installing the drivers.
    If you have to buy the dongle, i suggest you one with Widcomm-Broadcom chip, because it seems to me the better supported on Vista, and Acer has the drivers in the 3680 support area.
    Have fun !
     
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  3. letmealone

    letmealone Notebook Guru

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    Yes, that explains how to place an aftermarket module ready to be fitted. My guide (as my posts in that blog as Andrea) explains to modify and connect a much cheaper usb dongle.
     
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    tri_zet Newbie

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    thanks for this very usefull posting. finally i can install my bluetooth internally into acer 3684. i am using bluesoleil bt dongle and win xp pro, and it is work. :) :)
     
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    Thanks for the info, letmealone!
     
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    If anyone does this with an Extensa 4620Z, please post pictures!
     
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    Thanx a lot for info letmealone and arnesr!
     
  8. Smurfjet

    Smurfjet Notebook Enthusiast

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    How did you connect the wiring cables to the pins? Soldering?
     
  9. letmealone

    letmealone Notebook Guru

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    I used a part of connector of a broken lcd screen to a laptop. I think it can be done also opening a connector of comparable pin size, connecting the pins one by one with the small "tubes" you find in the connector.
     
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    Smurfjet Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks for the reply, but it is still not very clear.

    Too many connector words, not very specific, gets confusing ;)

    I'm planning to buy a 6 pin connector that fits my CN19 (AS5580 BTW), I have a USB dongle that came with BlueSoleil which I'm still trying to see if it would work with the Acer drivers provided instead. Where did you get your broadcom dongle from?

    My only challenge is finding a way to connect the pins on the dongle to the pins or wires connected to the CN19 connector. Soldering is out of the question since it would be too messy for me.
     
  11. letmealone

    letmealone Notebook Guru

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    Well, english is not my language but let me try: for sure buying a compatible 6 pin connector is the best choice, if you dont find it, it could work also disassembling a connector of similar size: you'll find that inside the plastic shell, each wire is connected to a 'tube' of metal. Take out a cable and the 'tube', just plug this tube in a pin of cn19, and do this for all the 5 needed pins. At the side of the bluetooth dongle i soldered the wires, at this side soldering is much easier than in the laptop. I used a Bluesoleil dongle i already had, just in the forums i read that the Broadcom ones are better supported.
     
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    Smurfjet Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thank you it is clear now. :thumbup:
     
  13. cloudcroft

    cloudcroft Notebook Enthusiast

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    Just wanted to add my "retrofitting Bluetooth to an Acer laptop that has the Bluetooth switch but not the internal Bluetooh radio-module installed" experience to this thread...

    Today I received my 6-Pin internal Bluetooth module, which I ordered from Dan Xu (via his "Oldegg" store on EBAY) and it's working fine...I installed it just now at a coffeeshop I am at writing this post.

    At first, I thought the connector was plugged in correctly (far enough and correctly oriented) but apparently something was wrong, because when I booted up -- even though the blue Bluetooth indicator light lit up during bootup -- when I got to the Vista Desktop, I got a "no device" message when I turned-on the Bluetooth switch.

    Turning the laptop off, I checked out the connector to make sure it wasn't backwards AND was plugged in completley...I had to push down a bit (quite) harder than I did the first tme (was afraid to bend pins or whatnot) to get the 6-pin connector to seat ALL the way but apparently, that's what the problem was: Correctly oriented but not onto the pins all the way. The connector that came with the device seems proper for the socket on my Acer's mobo -- that wasn't an issue -- but apparently it DOES require some effort to seat all the way...at least on my 5570.

    After seating it ALL the way on, I booted back up, got to the Vista Desktop, turned on the laptop's Bluetooth switch, Vista found the device and searched "itself" for and loaded the Bluetooth drivers (I believe there were 4 different drivers involved)...then got the message saying that the device was installed and "ready for use." Switch works fine.

    Thanks to Dan Xu (OldEgg) for a smooth, no-hassle aftermarket Bluetooth retrofit for my Acer 5570-4421 (similar to the 3680) laptop.

    -- John D.
     
  14. Smurfjet

    Smurfjet Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thank you John D. as I am considering that model offered by Oldegg. Which Aspire do you have?

    I saw that he has drivers for the modules he's selling, but if I understood from your post, you did not need them and just used what Vista offered?

    Cheers.
     
  15. cloudcroft

    cloudcroft Notebook Enthusiast

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    Smurfjet,

    1. You're welcome.

    2. See the last line of my previous post.

    3. Yes, that's correct: Vista (I have Home Premium) has all you need, as Dan told me via e-mail and states on his store's website re: this device. I was thinking about trying the Blue Soliel software he has availabe for download though (it might be a Bluetooth Manager??) but you don't need it to get his device Vista recognized and installed. Maybe the other module-specific drivers add some special features to it, I don't know.

    It's really a very tiny device that stores neatly away inside the laptop...mine had plenty of room for it in there. I think it's made by Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd. in the UK. Microsoft shows it as a "Generic Bluetooth Radio."

    I haven't yet tried to get it to work with any other Bluetooth devices -- like my Bluetooth GlobalSat GPS device for example -- but will do so shortly.


    letmealone (OP),

    I had gotten this pre-made Bluetooth module because I didn't think I had the skill (manual dexterity and soldering) to make one up myself as you outlined, but thank you for your "DIY Guide"...I saved it in case I try it anyway.

    -- John D.
     
  16. Smurfjet

    Smurfjet Notebook Enthusiast

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    John D. thank you again for the details. Very helpful.

    I am currently unable to conveniently locate a 6 pin connector so I might go the Oldegg route.

    Keep us posted on how it performs with other devices.

    As for the software, the dongle I already have only works with Bluesoleil. Well thats is not completely true. When I had XP only the supplied Bluesoleil software made it work, with vista, it works partially, as the Bluesoleil software seems to add more functionality/ease of use. The only issue I have is that functionality is reliable 70% of the time.

    I hope this is helpful.
     
  17. cloudcroft

    cloudcroft Notebook Enthusiast

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    If you don't have any Bluetooth pinouts on your Acer laptop's mobo, then the internal Bluetooth radio OldEgg sells won't work because naturally, it has no Bluetooth socket to connect to. If you DO have the pinouts (4-pin, 6-pin or 8-pin for example as OldEgg lists) then his internal radio should work for you.

    As you know, you can always use a USB Bluetooth radio -- I could have gone that way also -- but since my mobo had the 6-pin connector to an internal modules and the external Bluetooth switch/LED, and because of that the mobo would seem to support an internal Bluetooth radio, I got the one from OldEgg...I wanted to "complete" my laptop with the internal BT module. Besides, he listed the 5570 as being one of the Acers the 6-pin radio would fit and work with so I was pretty sure it would.

    Good luck,

    -- John D.
     
  18. Smurfjet

    Smurfjet Notebook Enthusiast

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    I meant to say I can't find one to purchase in order to do the DIY. I already located the 6 pin connector on the mobo.

    I wanted to use the BT radio form my older laptop.
     
  19. cloudcroft

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    Okay, now I get you.

    I also tried to use my Targus USB Bluetooth ACB10 radio -- from my other Windows Xp pro laptop -- but the ACB10 Vista driver Targus has available for download will NOT install on my Acer Vista laptop...it just hangs and does nothing partway through, Targus doesn't know what the problem is, so I got tired of messing with it and decided to use that Targus USB BT radio for that XP laptop ONLY and the internal BT radio (from Oldegg) for my Acer.


    And now for a final UPDATE re: my aftermarket internal Bluetooth radio installation:

    As I said, the BlueTooth (BT) radio is workng fine, and Vista found/recognized it as the Globalsat BT-338 GPS Receiver and assigned it Com Ports 4 and 5 (incoming and outgoing...Com 4 is the main port).

    The problem came with MS Streets and Trips (MS S&T). This program insisted on only showing Com Port 3, and hitting the "Scan" button -- so it would search OTHER Com Ports looking for the 338 device as it said in the dialog box and Help file -- did NOT scan any other Com Ports, it just said there was "no device" on Com Port 3. Working in Device Manager and elsewhere within Vista, I was unable to change anything in MS S&T to see the Com Port 4 the BT-338 was on. It just listed Com 3 and there was no way to fix that.

    So I downloaded GPSinfo.exe (on a P2P network), installed on my laptop, ran it, and it had a much better time of it...it scanned LOTS of Com Ports and easily found my BT-338 on Com 4. I reopened MS S&T and tried the Com Port dialog Box again, and THIS time it showed Com Port 4, and "Scan" this time did find the BT-338 on said port. MS S&T then immediately showed my GPS position on its map of my area.

    So in short, my personal experience with the internal BT radio I got from OldEgg for my Acer 5570 was this:

    1. It fit the 6-pin connector on my 5570's mobo and worked as OldEgg said it would.

    2. Windows Vista found the radio and loaded the required BT drivers with no problems or error messages.

    3. Vista also found and identified my Globalsat BT-338 device and assigned it two Com Ports.

    4. Microsoft Street & Trips needs some work...its Com Port scanning utility (at least in Vista) is almost useless and does not allow you manually to select the correct Com Port even if you KNOW which one your device is on. It was stuck on Com 3 in my case and showed no other ports at all and I saw no way to change it.

    5. The little utility GPSinfo.exe worked just fine and communicated with my BT-338 device right away.

    6. Then MS S&T started working, too, but only after I was able to select Com 4 in it's dialog box ("GPS Configuration" pane).

    In all, there were no problems with the BT radio or Windows Vista, it was just MS S&T.

    THEN, after getting the GPS device associated (paired) with my laptop, I tried my BlueTrek G2 Bluetooth earbud...it also was easily found by Vista, device drivers installed and also associated.

    So everything is working fine now with my "Bluetooth-improved" retrofitted Acer 5570-4421.

    -- John D.
     
  20. whomiga

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    Sorry - No Pictures...

    It does appear possible to activate the Bluetooth in the ACER Extensa 4620Z (With extra hardware)

    - I bought the 4 pin version of the Bluetooth 2.0 adaptor on E-Bay after finding a 4 pin Bluetooth port on the Motherboard. (Paid $35 or so the item and Priority Mail Shipping - not bad, ordered last Friday, received on Monday)

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=180183347655

    - The port is labeled as "blue1" and is located next to the Speaker connection

    - The port can be seen without totally disassembling the entire computer by removing the screw holding the DVD drive and pulling out the DVD drive.
    - The proper port is visible on the Motherboard next to another 4 pin connector (The aforementioned Speaker connection)

    - The one I bought appears to work after connecting it. The Blue light is operational. The screen shows "Bluetooth Enabled" and "Bluetooth Disabled" when I use the switch and the drivers installed automatically (Default drivers under Vista Home Premium) the first time I turned it on. I've managed to share my cellphone and communicate with it via BitPim.

    Specific Thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=193958
     
  21. Dobermann

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    Did you happen to look at the pin-out layout from the one you bought? I am trying to find out what the 4 pins layout is so I can make my own.

    Also, did you have to take the keyboard out or just the DVD drive? How difficult was it?

    Thanks!
    Dobermann
     
  22. fgl30

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    Ppl, I wanna do it with my 5630-6091... but the MOBO bluetooth connector have 08 pin.... someone have the pinouts??? Thx
     
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    Does anyone have advice about where to look on my Aspire 5520 to see where this would plug in?
     
  24. Midway

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    Because of this thread I was able to install Bluetooth on my Aspire 5570Z. I came across this thread a few days ago and decided to order a 6-pin Bluetooth adapter from OldEgg (irony is that I just got this laptop from NewEgg, lol). It came in today and a while ago I installed it. As stated Vista installed it as a generic Bluetooth radio device and I was set. I installed Nokia PC Suite and in a few minutes I was communicating with my Nokia 6102i.

    I was getting tired of people asking me what the button was for and me replying sheepishly, "Uh...nothing." :eek:

    Thanks for the tip! :)
     
  25. hashimi69

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    any chance where how to do it with the aspire 5520 ?
     
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    Thank you very much for starting this thread. I was inspired by it, and I've been trying to upgrade my 3680 with BT, but with only limited success at best.

    One thing I can contribute is positively identifying the connectors as:
    • 6-pin connector is a Molex/Waldom pn 51021-0600.

    • socket terminal is a Molex/Waldom pn 50058-8000.
    They are available from Digi-Key.

    Crimping and/or soldering them to 30 AWG wire is a whole other story, but I was able to do it after several duds. I verified that the wiring is good from the BT dongle all the way to the mother board.

    My main problem now is the Acer won't recognize the BT dongle. The blue LED turns on, but Vista comes up with either an unknown USB device error (although I see the green "Bluetooth On" or "Bluetooth Off" messages from the BIOS), or I get a green "No Device" message from the BIOS on the display. I verified that the dongle worked as a normal USB device before converting it to the 6-pin connector.

    I bought a generic Bluesoleil V2.0 + EDR dongle with ISSC chips for this, but it may not be compatible. I'm wondering what brand and model your dongle is? Or if the forums you visited had any lists of compatible brands and models? I see the Broadcom and Widcomm drivers in the C:\DRV\BTW folder, which helps to confirm built-in support for those chipsets.
     
  28. letmealone

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    If Vista detects an usb connection when you turn on the module, the hardware part seems done correctly. You should look for Bluesoleil drivers Vista compatible. Mine is Bluesoleil too, after installing the right drivers i am able to do basic file transfer via bluetooth. Still looking for better drivers allowing complex bluetooth functions as audio support... if things arent improved, Bluesoleil support for Vista sucks.
     
  29. wac

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    I installed the Bluesoleil Vista drivers before I converted the dongle to the 6-pin connector, and it worked fine. Things just went nowhere after the cable conversion. I'm going to try converting it back to the USB Type A connector and see if it's simply defective.

    I also tried plugging in another unconverted USB BT dongle made by Trendnet (also with Bluesoleil drivers), but the Vista Bluesoleil driver complained and went into a crippled mode limited to 3MB transfer. BTW, the Trendnet dongle is great, but it's not V2.0 + EDR. The Trendnet handled everything I've thrown at it so far on my HP & ThinkPad XP machines, including cell phones, headphone adaptors, and my Treo. Maybe I'll look for a Trendnet dongle with Vista support as my next step.
     
  30. letmealone

    letmealone Notebook Guru

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    I dont know about this problem, could you check the exact voltage of CN19 connector ? I have the doubt that it is a bit lower than 5 V, and even if the large majority of dongles work also at 3.3 V, your dongle could be of the ones working well only with full 5 V (it is only an hypothesis)...
     
  31. wac

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    The voltage out is definitely 3.3V. I measured it multiple times. I'm using this dongle:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/100m-V2-0-Bluetooth-USB-Dongle-for-PC-Mobile-PDA-Vista_W0QQitemZ190197690857
    I bought it from a different seller, but you can see that the price was very attractive.

    3.3V to the dongle is very stable, and I can toggle between the "Bluetooth On" and "Bluetooth Off" using the front panel switch. What I do notice is the green LED on the dongle turns bright for a brief instant, and then goes dim (not off). If I only had a USB protocol analyzer, I'd be able to see if it's something to do with the Vista USB enumeration process. I'm guessing that it must go through at least part of the USB enumeration for the BIOS to be confident enough to display the "Bluetooth On" message; otherwise I'd expect to see the "No Device" message like I get when I have connection problems with the D+/D- pins.

    But you do bring up a good point. The Type A USB port outputs 5V, whereas CN19 is 3.3V. I should take another look and see if there is a voltage regulator on the dongle that I can bypass - I'll take it to work where I can use a nice microscope to pick out all the part numbers from the chips.
     
  32. letmealone

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    Thanks for making clear that CN19 outputs 3.3 V, i am going to modify the thread.
     
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    I just wanted to mention that earlier this week I performed a fresh install before installing SP1 RTM. When the drivers were being installed I noticed that the Acer installer program installed a Broadcom driver for the Bluetooth. This driver is included in the /DRV/BTW directory. It seems to work well with the OldEgg chip and it has more options than the one Vista installed including an audio option as someone mentioned about in this thread.

    [​IMG]
     
  34. wac

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    Thank you very much for the tip. I looked up some part numbers for the dongle, and the 3 ICs are:
    1. Fremont Micro FT24C08A EEPROM.
    2. ISSC IS1032N-102. Probably the BT controller.
    3. ISSC IS1602N. Probably the BT PHY.

    The closest match I got from a datasheet search is:
    http://www.issc.com.tw/bt_dongle.htm
    Which merely says the IS1601N uses 5V.

    The IS1032N gets 3.3V power via two diodes in series from 5V into an internal regulator. The voltage between the diodes is 4.1V. If I supplied 3.3V to the dongle, I get 1.8V after the diodes, which is most likely too low and agrees with your suspicion.

    The EEPROM gets 3.0V power from a different pin on the IS1032N. This is probably a switched power output to turn on/off the EEPROM for sleep mode.

    I'll try bypassing the diodes and try it again at home tonight (the 3680 is a personal laptop).
     
  35. wac

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    I soldered a blue jumper wire across the two diodes, and the internal Bluetooth module finally works:
    [​IMG]
    Thank you so much for your advice! FYI, the 8-pin SOIC chip next to the glass diodes is the EEPROM. The ISSC chipset is on the bottom side of the dongle.

    Now I just have to figure out what to do with the crippled IVT Bluesoleil software. This particular dongle was probably cheaper than everyone else because it has a shareware-style V2.6 of Bluesoleil with the 5MB file transfer limitation. I'll have to research a bit to see if it's worth "upgrading" to V5.0.
     
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    Thanks for adding to this thread a real technical depth ! What i did, by my side, was only trying and trying until i got the thing working :)
     
  37. wac

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    In case this is useful info for anyone who has run into a similar issue with the IVT V2.6 or similar Bluesoleil driver, here are my findings so far after retracing my footsteps:
    1. The Bluetooth V2.0 + EDR dongle worked just fine before I performed the conversion to an internal 3680 module.
    2. While I was having 5V vs. 3.3V power issues with the V2.0 + EDR dongle, I experimented with plugging in my Trendnet TBW-101UB V1.2 dongle. That's when I first saw the 5MB evaluation message.
    3. From then on, even my V2.0 + EDR dongle produces the same message.

    I went searching for possible solutions, and found the following statement from IVT:
    http://www.bluesoleil.com/company/index.asp?topic=unlicensed_info
    After reviewing that cryptic web page and Googling other forum entries, I've come to the conclusion that the Bluesoleil software either added the V2.0 + EDR's license key (stored on the dongle's EEPROM chip) to IVT's database, and/or an unidentified registry entry in Vista. This is their copy protection and software validation scheme.

    Bluesoleil got confused when I plugged in the V1.2 dongle, and is now keeping me in eval mode indefinitely. This seems to affect both ISSC and Silicon Wave dongles. Some dongle owners have reported success at emailing IVT for a patch file which releases the license key that is now flagged as pirated and/or cloned. I've done just that, and I'll patiently wait for an answer. I wished there was an easy way to identify a dongle's chipset before without having to buy and install it.

    Another thing I ran into - I had to disable Vista's User Account Control (UAC) to avoid Vista complaining every time I launch Bluesoleil.
     
  38. Doug!

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    Hi guys!

    First of all let me introduce to you: I’m 16 and I’m Italian (writing in English is too hard for me). I always spend my time modding everything I can!
    I found this forum because I was looking for a guide on how to install an USB dongle as an internal module. My notebook is an Aspire 5720 and it has an 8-pins connector on its mother board. Even if at first I was a little bit worried by the different voltage (3,3v instead of 5v) I successfully did this job.

    Here is the scheme I used (referring to the USB dongle’s contacts):
    1 -> connected to a screw on the mother board (GND)
    2 -> connected to the 3rd pin of the mobo (data +)
    3 -> connected to the 4th pin (data -)
    4 -> connected to the 1st pin (+3,3v). I didn’t connect it also to the 5th pin because the blue led started working anyway.

    It works but I have TWO problems:

    1 – Even if I can see the “Bluetooth off” message on the screen and the led on the keyboard turns off, the module inside is still working, in fact, I can send and receive files and the led on the dongle (it has his own led) is always on. The only thing I can imagine is that the switch located on the keyboard controls the negative (-) line of the connector instead of the positive (+), but this supposition is absurd, I’ve never seen a switch like this!

    2 – The range is INCREDIBLY decreased!!! When the USB dongle was a “real” USB dongle, it had a range of 10 meters (and something more) but now it only works for 1 (yes, ONE) meter! Is it maybe because of the lower voltage? Is it possible to build a kind of antenna for the module, for example by soldering a wire on it?

    PLEASE HELP ME! PLEASE! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!

    P.S. Here are some pictures of the installation.
    Can you explain me where is the antenna on the dongle USB?
    Thanks in advice!
     

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  39. letmealone

    letmealone Notebook Guru

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    A bit of the same happened to me as well, used as usb dongle i had a range of 6 meters and more, reduced now internally to about two for a stable connection. I supposed too that the reason was the lower voltage, but i think maybe the main factor is that the laptop is heavily shielded from radio waves. I think the key is finding the place where the module is originally supposed to be, because very likely will be in a place without the metal shield that wraps internally a large part of the laptop. In the 3680 i discovered that it is in the same zone of the hard disk.

    PS sono italiano anch'io :p
     
  40. Doug!

    Doug! Newbie

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    Thanks a lot for your answer, "letmealone"!
    I supposed the shielded case too, but I installed the dongle in the same place that is designed for the original module, maybe the original one has a better antenna...
    Are you able to "discover" the built-in antenna on my dongle?

    Oh, the last question: any suggestion for my #1 problem?

    P.S. We are both Italian but are still talking in English !!! :D :D :D
    Where are you from?
     

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  41. letmealone

    letmealone Notebook Guru

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    I dont know about the built in antenna, my module has a sort of geometrical path on the printed circuit, i suppose it can be that. About the first problem... in your place, i would try to connect the negative on the pin of the connector, instead to a screw of the motherboard.

    PS this is an international board, so we must talk in english, anyway i think we both understand. I am in Novara :)
     
  42. babisgr

    babisgr Newbie

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    i tried 3-4 bt 2.0 modules on my 3050 aspire to only find working an v1 bt module.The others didnt work beacouse of the low voltage.Many bt modules wont work with the 3+ volts that the connector provides,other will seem like they work,but will fail uppon driver install...
    Now my bt works great,leds and switch alla working as they supposed to.
     
  43. Doug!

    Doug! Newbie

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    Thank you "letmealone", you was right, my module didn't work properly because the case is shielded!
    I disassembled the notebook once again and I found the place where the original module is supposed to be, there is a little section of the plastic part that is not painted with that kind of metallic paint.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Now it is perfect, I tried it with a distance of 10 meters and a wall and it works well!

    For the other problem (the module is still working even if the blue led turns off), I tried to connect the GrouND wire to the relative pin but nothing changed… are you sure that when your notebook says “Bluetooth off” that’s true? Can you please check it by sending a file while the blue led is off? If my dongle hadn’t its own led, probably, I would never note this problem…

    Anyway this is not a big problem for me, the most important thing is that now I can control my computer from another room of the house!
    Thanks!
     
  44. wac

    wac Notebook Enthusiast

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    On my 3680 with the 6-pin connector, the dongle power is switched on and off by the keyboard switch. No blue light = Bluetooth Off= no dongle power, no file transfers, etc. It's the same effect as unplugging an actual USB dongle. It could be different on your 5720.

    Or more likely, you have connected the dongle +3.3V to an unswitched +3.3V pin on your 8-pin connector that always has power. In this case, the keyboard switch turns on and of the blue light only. Can you check to see if one of the other pins on the 8-pin connector has +3.3V only when the blue light is on?
     
  45. wac

    wac Notebook Enthusiast

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    Since I was having the 5MB limit problem with BlueSoleil, I bought one of these dongles from Ebay to try. It shipped from Hong Kong to USA, and it is also an ISSC chipset. Unfortunately, that means it can't use the Broadcom drivers that shipped with the 3680 either, and I am again forced to use BlueSoleil.

    Based on what I've seen, these low-cost dongles are shipping with illegal "unlicensed" copies of BlueSoleil. The 5MB warning only shows up when I try to upgrade to the latest v5, which has some fancy way of validating licenses based on Bluetooth device IDs. Some of the BlueSoleil driver CDs, such as this one, have been hacked, and it will not have a 5MB limit. Others, such as from my first dongle, have not been hacked, and there is a hidden file or registry entry that will force the 5MB limit even if I uninstall v5 and reinstall v2.6.0.8 from the CD that came with the dongle. But I don't know how to look for it.

    It's pretty frustrating, and I'll continue to look for a low-cost dongle with the Broadcom chipset.
     
  46. fgl30

    fgl30 Newbie

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    Ppl, I have an Acer 5630-6091... the bluetooth connector is in the picture... please, can some one confirm if pinouts are correct? Thx
     

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    jruschme Notebook Guru

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    A quick connector question...

    I have a 3680 with the 6-pin connector. I've seen people mention using laptop LCD cables with this connector. Can someone suggest a specific part number that I can use to search for a suitable cable on ebay?

    Thanks
     
  48. kiriakost

    kiriakost Notebook Deity

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    Fantastic info in this page , but i have stuck too at the 8 pin connector.

    I own one Travelmate 2414WLMi .

    i researched many designs found on Ebay , real BT modules , no dongles .
    And it looks that all 8 cables get connected.

    I took the risk to order one of those http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&viewitem=&item=350081952889

    Its an T60H928 ... some pages states that is a Broadcom design, some others say its Foxconn ... and also others name them as noname T60H928 .

    Yes at that point i am lost.

    About drivers , i have found Dell to supply drivers for it .


    Ok , now about the 6 or 8 pin connectors.

    The BLUE1 , are a simple USB port , the extra pins are only for voltage or grounds .
    The Intel controller at my board has 6 USB outputs , 4 outside and in theory
    the other two must be located on the BLUE1 plug.

    The funny part is that my laptop is still traveling , got it second hand .
    And i started research for it with out it . :D
    And the BT module its on the way too.

    Ok i am an electronics engineer , as soon it comes , i will post more info .
     
  49. kiriakost

    kiriakost Notebook Deity

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    About the connector the Pin 1 are 3.3V thats standard all BT modules use 3.3V no matter who makes them .

    The rest i will find them as soon i got the laptop and module.
     
  50. kiriakost

    kiriakost Notebook Deity

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    Ok, i finally found some true info ...

    The real name of the Blue1 Acer connector are PicoBlade

    More info here .... if page does not direct you at the item ....search for.. Picoblade

    http://www.molex.com/cgi-bin/bv/molex/jsp/family/intro.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0024720935.1217971735@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccadeekkkheilcflgcehedffgdfmk.0&oid=-10261&channel=Products&familyOID=-10261&frellink=Datasheet+%28PDF%29&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction

    At list you do not have to burn your fingers ,
    by knowing the name of the connector and getting at list some plugs,
    you can test your experiments, with out soldering on the notebook PCB ;)

    Source to get some ... (the first that i found Googling)
    http://shop.halfbase.com/product_info.php/cPath/38/products_id/51

    8 pin and 6 pin PicoPlate layout. (Thanks to forum member yeric , that found the info in Taiwan)

    Interface / Pin Definition

    PIN SIGNAL

    Pin-1 3.3 volts

    Pin-2 GND

    Pin-3 USB D+

    Pin-4 USB D-

    Pin-5 LINK_IND / LED

    Pin-6,7 C0EX1 and C0EX2
    (for cooperative coexistence signaling with an 802.11b radio)

    Pin-8 AUX (TBD)


    I believe that at 6 pin plugs , the No 6 are GND or Empty.


    ACER BT ASSY

    The part No1 acts as isolator , good info are also about the part No3 cable size .
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