New Acer Aspire V Nitro series

I saw the pictures of the 591G on amazon just recently. And it looks like, it only has one exhaust for the air. I hope, it has still two fans. Otherwise I sense thermal problems incoming ...

 

@silversword

No problem, its a good training for my crappy english skills

@SCARed

It has for sure 2 exhaust, but vents/intake i dunno. On the buttom is one and the middle one between the 2 exhaust is the 2nd intake/vent?

 

According to this Acer video it has two fans and you can see here how are they placed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRINJ6J2u0U

 

@moske07

i think thats the 17" i have the 15". The grid placement is different. On mine machine only the grid between the 2 srews is open, the grid direct under the exhaust is only for the looks.
Is it possible the 17" has 2 fans and the 15" 1 fan?

 

Well considering that 17" version also has ODD, and 15" dont, i think it should also have 2 fans because spacing isnt an issue, but maybe im wrong.

 

Well, that's what I thought, too, concerning the picture. Could you please post a picture from below the laptop? At least for the 791G the fan intakes were there clearly visible. I do hope it looks similar on the 591G.

 

It has 2 fans. Sucking fresh air in the middle vent and pushing out hot air at the two bigger vent at the back. Btw. the cooling is not so efficient. CPU is super hot and the gpu is also not cool enough for me.

 

@scared

is this not a picture from below?

 

It is - but from the 791G, isn't it? At least I guessed so by the pictures in different shops I saw so far.

@Kirr: what do you mean by super hot? The CPU reaching around 100°C in stress tests is okay for me. If it was cooler, the fans would be much louder, I guess.

 

Nope, i have the 15"

 

Kinda weird. I knew you had the 591G. But the picture looked otherwise like a 791G.

Then sorry for the confusion!

 

Notebookbilliger just got both version in stock and they are 40e cheaper if you are student so its a good way to save some €.

 

i found a picture from the 791



Acer VN7 Nitro - die neue NB-Serie

u can see the different grid design

and there is a "SCARed" too. Coincidence?

Also there is guy who owns a 591 and has the same "grey veil" thing with his display

 

no coincidence - same guy ...

I did look at teh pictures from cyberport and there it seemed, as if the 591G had just that one exhaust right in the middel. but the angle is pretty bad there, too.

so nice to know. and for the rest of you folks:

Test Acer Aspire VN7-791G-759Q (Black Edition) - Das leistungsstarke Gaming-Notebook mit Nitro im Blut

someone found that first test of the 791G. butt only in german. they are pretty pleased with the NB. the panel looks good but not great (300 nit brightness but "only" 630:1 contrast). rather low noise na dstill okay temps. but they said nothing about throtteling - most likely they didn't test that, though the testes full load for the fan noise test.

 

In the paragraph above the images of the internals, my Google translated version says:

"It should be mentioned that the Acer Aspire VN7-791G-759Q fully manages with the AC adapter connected without throttling."

 

Then sorry, I just zipped through the article once. Gonna read it thoroughly tomorrow. I can give a short summary afterwards, if someone cares.

 

i dont care

 

i care

i cant believe they made it so hard to replace HDD and RAM especially. i have to remove keyboard and motherboard to replace RAM and HDD??
i bought Samsung EVO 1TB today and i'm planning to buy kingston impact 2x8GB ram tomorrow and i think i will just give it to them to replace it after seeing this. bull.

 

well, so here is the summary of the notebookinfo-article:

-they are pretty pleased with the body and the surfaces. body is quite stiff, even the panel lid. that nano-finish does look good and except some places is resistant to finger prints.
-the keyboard has improved over the V4-573 (more travel) and is stiff, too.
- they aren't happy with the locations of the connections (all to the sides - I wonder what they would say about the 591G ... )
- WiFi is only 802.11a/b/g/n, so no ac.
- they were happy with the performance - ecxept WatchDogs theycould play a lot of games on ultra-settings on FHD (Dota 2, FIFA 14, BioShock Infinite, Crysis 3, Risen 3: Titan Lords, Wolfenstein: The New Order and TESO as well as the beta of Archage) - well, the ususal performance for a GTX860M, eh?
- they were really unhappy with the clock rates in battery mode, where both, the GPU (only 810MHz) and especially the CPU were downclocked heavily. personal comment from me: 17''-NB and mobile gaming on battery? seriously??
- then the already mentioned comment, that plugged in, they encountered no throtteling at all. though they do NOT state, how they tested this.
then there are a number of pictures of the inside of the VN7-791G (pretty weird cooling design IMHO - I wouldn't have packed those heatpipes together that way, but I am no cooler designer).
next chapter: panel: they are pleased with the decision for FHD and no 3K or even 4K. next to this: 320 nits and 640:1 contrast. plus the panel is matte and the input lag is low. they describe the panel as "very good".
- battery time: with gaming, only about 45 minutes. pretty bad, but then: 17''-NB and mobile gaming on battery? for office stuff & Co., they state between 5 and 6 hours, which would be quite good.
emissions: they are happy with the VN7-791G. 25-28 db(A) for brwosing and office stuff. 32-36 db(A) for gaming and 40 db(A) for full stress test. though I do not know how the measure the loudness exactly (other reviews from them with similar NBs).
their summary: very pleased with the NB. they like the understatement of the design (no bling-bling like MSI or Alienware) - you have a gaming machine, but you can take it to the office with worries. they also like the build quality and the panel very much plus the advantages of the keyboard (over V3-772G). their only downside is the throtteling on battery.

bonus info: the panel is a LP173WF4-SPF1 - 72% NTSC gamut, IPS. so it should be quite simila to the Chi Mei-TN-panel, used in many 17''-gaming-NBs. but most probably better viewing angles.

and for those looking desperatly for inside pics of the 591G:
Acer VN7-591G-77A9 das 15" Variante

some nice guy did a short review and even added pics of the opened laptop. :thumbsup:

@Locke:well, I could write a Zusammenfassung for you, too. :laugh:

 

Thanks for this! The 15" is in stock at my preferred nordic webshop, and I'm ALMOST about to buy it - but the rational part of me wants to wait for a few more reviews. This seems promising though.

About the battery throttling, I agree it's a shame that they don't state a bit more info about their methods. I'd like to know if this is hardcoded (in BIOS) or if it's just a Windows power saving setting that can be easily changed. Not that I really care about the battery performance, though.

 

well, I read the comments below the review. there someone stated, that the throtteling (only on battery!!) is hardcodes into the BIOS.

for me, there remains some slight insecurity, if the 591G is as good as the 791G - especially the heat management. and that crappy port placement still bugs me. if it had at least ONE of the USB-ports in the back or the left ...

 

The review looks nice. But I want the 15" model

 

This is the start of my german review for the 15"

Acer VN7-591G-77A9 das 15" Variante

 

Would you mind making an english one aswell?

 

HI,
is it possible to upgrade ram in the traditional way from the bottom cover? Or i have to remove the top cover+keyboard?
Would be useful to have images of the bottom without cover.

 

Sorry but my english sucks

2 Upgrade RAM u have to remove the keyboard and after this u have to remove the screws from the motherboard because the RAM slots are on the back side from the motherboard

 

@ Snif

Another request if you don't mind - it would be nice if you posted full resolution images. As far as I can see images in your German review are scaled down.
If you could post full-res ones here it would be great (images have to be no longer than 500x500 here too, but I will edit them accordingly so thumbnails will be visible or attachments at the end of the post will be clickable to full-res image)

 

Thanks for all the info guys. It's really disappointing that Acer is making upgrades so difficult on this laptop. Thin and hard to service is the way the industry has been going for some time unfortunately.

 

Thats like 1:1 the same experience i had with the 591. But its nice to see u can change that crappy wlan chip (its useless again)

@scared
Im ok bro, but thanks

 

whats wrong with the wlan chip?

 

the cooling is pretty sure, they just flipped the heat pipes and cpu+gpu components to the inside, which leads to
pros
less hot keyboards because the CPU+GPU is further from the keyboard

cons
poor maintainablity - can't repaste easily, you gotta take the entire thing out to do it

on the other hand, the fans look pretty thin

 

thx for the feedback on the cooling system.

Snif did some more testing and full load (Prime+Furmark) results too in 98°C for the CPU and 88°C for the GPU. not great in my eyes but concerning the form factor still okay.

and his VN7-591G has this panel:
LG Display LP156WF4-SPK1 Overview - Panelook.com

IPS for sure, but I am missing some infos about the color gamut. another user just took a look at his new V5 573Gs panel and he has a quite superb AUO:
AUO B156HAN01.2 Overview - Panelook.com

I wish, they had implemented that panel, though the LG-panel might still be quite good.

 

Wlan:

So iam at work right now and the wlan doesnt work. Its a cheap Qualcomm Atheros AR5BWB222 Chip. Just google it in combination with "windows 8.1". Not working WLAN would be a deal breaker for me

Edit: the laptop has the strongest signal from all my devices (dual antenna?!)

 

I still want someone to take it apart so we can look at the heat pipe setup

 

There is a new configuration at Media Markt available

http://www.mediamarkt.de/mcs/product/ACER-Aspire-VN7-791G-58LF,48353,462729,1471621.html?langId=-3

Looks pretty nice for the price. What do u think? Its with GDDR5.

I am not sure because of the i5. Does the i5 handle games well? Or should I buy the i7 version?

And another point: when do u mean the gtx960m will ne available?

Greetings


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1. There is a 859$/899$ version out there without the 128 GB SSD (with student discount at notebookbilliger/cyberport).

2. You get on average 2-3 fps more with the i7 CPU. But the i7 runs much hotter under full load (over 10-15C hotter).

3. Nvdia and ATI will announce their new mobile graphic series end of september/at the start of october, but god knows when they get released. We will see Maxwell versions of the 870M/880M for sure, most likely Nvdia will also release a new GTX 860M with higher clock rates/CUDAs and name it 960M. It will probably be a Maxwell 860M with the clockrates/CUDAs of the Kepler 860M.



Edit: i5 vs i7 CPU for further reading

 

there is also a version with i7 and "only" 500GB HDD at amazon and cyberport.

@2) are you sure about that? this isn't the i5-4210M - it's the "H"-variant with higher clock rates but also 47W TDP. and the difference in fps is very dependant on the game played. Guild Wars 2 gives a massiv FPS-boost to quadcores. BF4 afaik as well. another example would be Mechwarrior online - dualcores have a hard standing with that game.

@3: there already first benches out for 970M/980M:
Only at VC: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980, GTX 970, GTX 980M and GTX 970M 3DMark performance | VideoCardz.com

but I don't expect notebooks availabel on the market before Q1'15. other than that: the 860M is a OC-beast, AFAIK. so yes, some raises in clockrates and there goes the 960M, I think, too.

 

I dunno, for me the discussion between i5 Vs i7 is kinda pointless in the first place, since in the end the 860M will be the bottleneck in most games anyways. A 4700MQ + 850M getting 3 fps more in BF4 than a 4210M with the same GPU says more about GPU limitations than dual core vs quad core. Then the difference between 4210H vs 4710HQ with a GTX 860M should be practically nonexistent (4210H considerably faster than 4210M, while 4710HQ is basically the same as 4700M). Hence, I doubt the 860M will make much use of a quad core. The fps gain should be minimal in most games, I don't own Guild Wars 2, but I am pretty sure a 4210M + 870M will outperform a 4710HQ + 860M anytime.


On another note: Wow! A X70M outperming the X80M from the previous generation! I think that's a first.

 

I found a bench, whre that guy tested BF4 with dualcores as well as quadcores. sorry, but haven't been able to refind it yet. the question is also: how much use does the game make of hypertreading. as the i5-4210H is a pretty fast dualcore, it could very well simulate a mediocre quadcore.
on the other hand: pay 10% more and you are on a more future proof side, as far as future proof and computer hardware can work together at all. and you cannot exchange the CPU afterwards. if I was on a tight budget, I would skip the variant with SSD and prefer the quadcore. because you can add a SSD afterwards, but the CPU is soldered ...

most benches of BF4 are most likely single player, which isn't nearly as much CPU-dependant than the multiplayer part.

and yes, if those benches of the 970M survive the first real world benches and the GPU still keeps the TDP of the 870M that is REALLY impressing.

 

When are the Nitro Black Edition's coming out in the US? ASUS has been dropping the ball time and time again with release dates, and after seeing this announced I'm interested.

 

I'm about to recommend a decent gaming notebook for my brother, and even though I'm a "techguru" I have a really hard time recommending notebooks as they are so much harder to pick compared to desktops... With desktop I will just pick a awesome aluminium case from either Lian-Li or Silverstone, pick one good motherboard from Asus, the appropriate CPU from Intel and decide the GPU from the gaming requirements and budget.. Stick a Plantium rated PSU and whatnot and built it myself.

With notebooks you can't really cherry-pick anything, all you can really read and compare is the CPU, GPU, HDD etc.. But you have no clue about the actual motherboard, BIOS / UEFI, the quality of the PSU or anything. You cant get any decent information regarding build quality, key travel, keyboard feel and quality, trackpad, speakers etc... From reading the specifications at all... And most value notebooks tends to have some power quality control and feel to them, so going by the "what gives you the best hardware for your money" is more often than not a very poor metric to go by.



It's been a decade since I've been in the business of finding a notebook for anyone. For myself I have my self-built gaming desktop, and for a notebook I have settled for MacBook Pro 15" with retina display after going through vary Lenovo ThinkPads and other "high quality" notebooks which never satisfied me in terms of overall quality and feel. I have no demand for insane power on a notebook so the MacBook Pro 15" suits me perfectly.


My brother on the other hand is not considering a desktop, its to stationary for him. He wont be dragging a notebook around very much, but he needs to have something he could drag from the living room to the bedroom, and take with him on holidays if need be. The big question is, which one should he be going for?

Currently I'm picking between the Asus G750JM with Intel Core i7-4700HQ, GeForce GTX 860M, 8GB RAM and 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD, the MSI GT70 with Intel Core i7-4810MQ, GeForce GTX 870M, 8GB RAM and 128GB SSD + 1TB HDD and the Acer Aspire Nitro VN7-591G with Intel Core i7-4710HQ, GeForce GTX 860M, 16GB RAM and 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD.


The Acer one looks like the best of the bunch looking at specs only.. With it's 15,6" display, low profile and weight combined with good hardware it should be both portable and performing very well in games. But my past experience with Acer has been very poor, with low build quality, poor quality control so they have loads of RMA's and their keyboard, trackpad, cooling etc.. has always been sub-par.. How do you feel the VN7-591G rates compared to the MSI GT70 and Asus G750JM?

I guess G750JM is the safest best, it has a tried and confirmed design and cooling which should provide a very stable experience, with low noise and no throttling etc.. The GT70 looks like , but offers the best hardware for the money but I have no clue about how it performance quality and cooling wise? The big question is whether the Acer Aspire Nitro is capable to deliver as a gaming machine due to it's thinness and therefore lack of cooling capabilities? Will it be good enough, or would the GT70 or G750JM be considered a superior choice?

 

I used to avoid Acer like the plague (late 90s, early 00s) but have made an about face in the last 5 years, only using Acer products and couldnt be happier in terms of value for money. "Build quality" is good enough for me, no RMAs or issues of any kind, really.

 

here we go, finally found some pics of the cooling setup of this thing

this is what you get when you open up the backlid, the only thing upgradable here is an m.2 ssd slot


in order to see the other components, you have to take the entire machine apart and separate the mobo, and this what you get
the chip on the left is the GPU, right CPU



a closer look at the heatsink fins


the problem with m.2 is that there are so many different sizes available, and since you have to screw a screw in to keep it in place, where the screw hole is basically determines what the size will be
below is a picture showing the available ssds you can use. the mobo's screw hole show that it's compatible with an 80mmx22mm M.2 ssd, however, according to this, you can also use a 40x22 one, but you will have to tape the ssd on to keep it in its place.




overall what I have to say about this mobo is
1. extremely inconvenient upgradability/self-service. although having an m.2 slot is def a plus over y50, the self-service is a huge downside. really acer? why the hell would you even put DIMM slots on the other side of the mobo?

first it didn't provide an easy to access panel on the D pad to allow for upgrades, then you have to take the entire thing apart just to add extra RAM.

if they would want to keep the heatsinks inside, at least make the DIMM slots outside, but I guess they couldn't because of the added thickness.

then it's one way or the other, put everything on the outside, or just keep it inside which would annoy the hell of users whenever they try to repaste or add ram

the only advantage is to keep keyboards cooler but that can't simply compensate for the all this extra bs work it takes to do some simple tasks, and to the manufacturer it means less room for users to screw up so that saves cost on the warranty,

2. the cooling is really on the mediocre side, as in really.
what I don't understand is why wouldn't they keep the heat pipes straight but rather make it curve all over the place. that really affects the flow of fluids inside the heat pipe which is the main carrier of heat, and it elongates the overall lengths of the heat pipes which means less cycles of fluid flow in a given amount of time compared to straighter heat pipes
in terms of setup, acer should've just copied gigabyte p34g v2's cooling setup - have both heat pipes reach to both fans which can increase the efficiency of the heat pipes.

the fans look thin but I can that's inevitable due to the form factor, but the heatsinks could be larger and copper would've been more preferable.

so as for the cooling setup, I would say this is really on the mediocre side of thin gaming notebooks. it's certainly not a strength of this machine

 

for reference, here is a comparison of other thin and light gaming notebooks

 

do 8GB models have 1x8GB or 2x4GB? LockeTheBoos, can you check it in CPU-Z if you have 8GB model?

 

2x4GB

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51tz8Cjm7aS.pdf

 

thats for 17" version and i assumed its the same for 15", but on those pictures few post back - there is only 1 memory module inserted. dunno if they removed the other before taking pics or its 1x8GB.

 

All the ports are on the right side where my mouse and hand will be. Deal breaker for me.

 

@shockre91

Also 2x4GB

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51x+ywM2POS.pdf