New Acer Aspire V Nitro series

sorry, had to do a lot of work this we. i hope i can give you tomorrow a new update

 

lockedaboss, can you please check in bios if Intel VT or Virtualization is enabled? and in windows open CMD with admin rights and type systeminfo and check under Hyper-V (its last, you should see it immediately) if all 4 options are Yes?
thank you in advance!

 

ah! but still the results seem to indicate some sort of problem.

Firestrike score for your NB is roughly 3600 points, other NBs in the database of NBC show around 3800-3900 points (ca. 5% more).

Cloudgate with 16.000 points for the VN7-591G seems way to slow - NBC data shows expected values of roughly 28.000 points.

For the Ice Storm benchmark, it is a little unclear, wether we are talking about standard or extrem graphics. extreme graphics would be good, as the Lenovo Y50 scored just 73k points. but for standard graphics (more likely), other NBs with similar specs scored mostly around 160k. hhhmmm.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 860M - Notebookcheck.com Technik/FAQ
http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/laserlars1/media/Unbenannt_zpsebbe6236.png.html?sort=6&o=24

 

Maybe superbad thermal throttling?

 

Acer's "trailer" for this laptop:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRINJ6J2u0U

 

Update 2

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One thing for sure the GPU does not Throttle! Today i did a Prime and FuMark Stress Test for 1,5h (both together). The GPU roughly hits 85C and The GPUZ Sensor showed no break down for Memory/Core Glock.

I used 3dMark 2011 and not 2013, though. And after the Benchmark i got a error message (u can see it on the screenschot, that yellow box above the results "driver not accepted"). Maybe thats the reason? During that Benchmark the CPU did not throttle, too.

BUT: The CPU throttled during that hardcore stress (prime+furmark) test, it hits 98C !!!!!

But thats not a problem for me, so far i played LoL, CSGO, Dishonored, Payday2, CoD:BO2 all maxed out on 2560*1080 and it was soft as butter I didnt buy 1000€ Notebook for hardcore games like BF4. Everywhere u read "can it run BF4 maxed out?" As if thats the Benchmark for thin light multimedia Laptop.

Also rly like the heat distrubition, only the area above the keyboard and the "j,k.l area" get hot. I think a Coolingpad like the Coolmaster U2/U3 would be perfect for this Notebook, because the intake is on the buttom in the last 1/3. So u can blow cool air right in this machine

The battery did 4h using my external Monitor with energy savin options. (2h websurfin, 2h movies)

The Keyboard is actually not so bad as i first thought. If u accustom to the typefeeling, u can write fast without mistakes. For gamin its good 2.

BUT: I hate that Touchpad (like every other Touchpad, except that apple one ) Its just a mess, although the surface is perefct for a touchpad.

Ah, i totally forgot: Solved the Wlan issue, now it runs pretty fast. 80Mbit DL, old Dell 20Mbit (at home, couldnt try it at work)

So far i have "only" 4 cons:

Touchpad
Bloatware
CPU Throttle during Prime+FuMark (but who cares?)
2GB Vram isnt enough for gaming in 2560*1080 and using the notebook as 2nd screen

@shockre91

No Intel VT/Virtualization in my bios. As for ur 2nd question, yes all 4 options are "Yes". Is this good?

 

well, really nice to hear. and if the CPU reaches 98°C under Prime+Furmark, that's is no dealbreaker for me, too. this scenario means more stress to the NB than any real day tasks, including really heavy gaming.

but for the benches: no, you used 3D-Mark 2013. in 2011, there are no such things as Fire Strike or the rest. anyway, I will paitiently wait for other benchemarks and the VN7-591G is still nr. 1 on my list. the whole package is just so promising.

 

Hm Ok, maybe its a driver issue. But i rly dont care if games are runnin smooth

Today i will run Intel XTU and GPUZ the whole time, check for throttle during gaming (again)

I think with some driver updates u can get more from this laptop. Better touchpad and better cooling under full laod (only 42db during Prime+Furmark 40cm distance from vents)

BTW: notebookcheck used only 1280x720 for that cloud gate bench

 

Yes they did because it's a standard resolution for this benchmark.

Source

If you changed the standard setting and forced a different resolution, test results are not comparable.

 

i think that it is, that it should run Hyper-V then. 2nd line confirms that virtualization is enabled, maybe you just didnt find it in bios, or maybe they didnt put the switch to enable/disable it.
Thank you very much, this was a dealbreaker for me, i'm gonna buy it in 2 weeks when they will be available in my country

 

ok, maybe i should do it again. do u know whats up with that error i got in 3dmark?

@ shockre91
np

 

@ LockeDaBoss

Sorry if this has been answered but is your 860m Maxwell or Kepler based? You can check in GPU-Z in model number if it say's the chip is GM107. If it's kepler it is GK104.

Also in terms of battery life is it easy to achieve 5 hours of web browsing? Thanks

 

its maxwell. i would say 4h browsing

 

the one explanation for that is his cpu throttled during benchmarks, so even if his gpu is running at 1100mhz, it may not be at 100% usage since the cpu throttled.

how much did the CPU downclock to? is the GPU at 100% usage the entire time?

also can you pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee take off the back lid and show us the components inside? pleaseeeeeeeeee

 

As far as I remember, he is waiting for the answer of the shop regarding the guarantee.

And yes, diagrams of the GPU as well as the CPU during 3D-Mark would be neat. This would show throttling of the CPU very well.

 

Could you post where you got your machine as well? I think I read earlier a post about another guy having a bad time with his that he got from Cyberport. Thanks!

 

I am pretty sure you mean the guy that got the VN7-791 and had issues with the fan.

 

So guys i did the 3DMark again.









GPUZ Log: Zippyshare.com - GPU-Z Sensor Log.txt

I got the Notebook from cyberport too

Still have to wait for an answer from them for the inside look

 

If those temps are from just running 3dmark they are pretty high, since the CPU/GPU gets the time to cool a bit between the tests.

Seems the cooling might be the weak link - like in every thin and powerful laptop.

 

pretty weird, still. the results are lower than one should expect. and I am not sure, if this is only due to the driver issue. for some reasons, 3D-Mark does seem to have issues with the NV-driver.

on the other hand: the VN7-591G does seem to keep the CPU at max. frequenzy during the bench, which is good compared to the Lenovo Y50. GPU also does not seem to throttle in this scneraio. argh. we need more benches. I wonder what this laptop does under heavy game load like BF4-multiplayer or longer sessions of Crysis.

anyway, big thanks at Locke. sehr schön!

 

I rly dont have a problem with heat, IF it makes me not uncomfortable and doesnt result in real day task throttling. My old Dell Studio gets hot like superlasers, but keyboard, touchpad, battery, ram, hdd died all 1st. GPU and CPU running like the 1st day.

If u wanna now a 1000€ neat lookin 15" 2,4kg multimedia machine, the acer is a very good bet

@SCARed

Maybe i can try bf4 this week (although i dont like it), but only the single player If games like bf, crysis, watchdogs and incomin shiny AAA games important for u i would go with a bulkier/more powerful laptop.

 

no no, they aren't my field of interest either. I prefer slower paced games like WoT.

but BF4-multiplayer or Crysis is a good bench for a NB, when it comes to games. if a NB does well within those games (BF4-multi is quite heavy on the CPU, next to GPU-stress), it will do well in other games, too.

 

I use these to tilt my laptops upwards so that they have access to fresh air. I spent 10 Euros on them.
BELKIN Laptop CoolStrip grau
I bought them at Saturn or Mediamarkt (?) I can't seem to recall. Looks like they aren't made any longer.

Something as simple as keeping the screen end of the laptop lifted up to make space for better air circulation can reduce your temps significantly. Try it and please post your results if possible.

 

First of all, thanks for all the work Locke. But the CPU temps are to be frank pretty bad. Look, I don't play Battlefield 4 either, but it is the only game I know that comes close to simulating max load on a notebook. Looking at peak temperatures during heavy load isimportant, because it will show you how hot your notebook gonna get one/two/three years down the road.

The CPU temps remind me a lot of the Gigabyte P35W v2, where even moderate use will get the CPU to 80-90C easily. I can promise you that after 16 months the CPU will operate at 100C permanently.
BUT to be fair, Intel CPUs are sturdy as heck. I had never a Intel CPU go out on me before the GPU did, not matter how hot it got. For example: Both the CPUs of my old Dell Inspiron 9400 and my Clevo P150HM were operating for a good year at 100C without any problems, in the end it was the GPU that broke both notebooks.

 

as much as we can wonder, the best way to do this is still to see the cooling setup, that's the best way to see how good/bad the cooling is

 

well, but even if you get a look at it: you can only give a educated guess about its possibilites. wether it's good or bad can only be told by benches. so far the VN7-591 does okay, IMHO. temps are pretty high, but the CPU does uses the turbo boost to his full range, other than the Y50.

 

Even so especially on thin laptops its hard to change or improve the internal design of cooling system and there's very little you'll be able to do about it. Your best bet will likely be to use a laptop cooler such as the cooler master u2/u3 as previously mentioned or simply raising the rear of the laptop propping it up. Who knows, maybe were looking at a poor thermal paste job? That too is a stretch though as near idle temps are already in the low to mid 40s degrees Celsius.

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Anyone has information about the possibility to replace RAM and HDD?
On the cyberport website there's this unusual advice "Kein Austausch der Festplatte möglich. Speicher lässt sich über mSATA Schnittstelle erweitern"
Google translates it as "No exchange of the HDD. Memory can be expanded via mSATA interface"
It's quite strange that there's no chance to replace a standard HDD. Maybe that doing that you void the warranty, but technically it shouldn't be an issue.
Talking about the RAM, due to the thin profile, I'm wondering if it's soldered or not.
Any info about it?
Thanks

 

Is it worth buying it or should I wait?

 

no, in fact benchmark can lie all the time. usually the best way to examine cooling is to look the cooling setup, benchmarks should be run, but they are not and nowhere near the only option to tell how good the cooling is. in fact you can usually notice the problem right away if you see the internals

 

I beg to differ. All you would (or will) see are two heatpipes one from CPU and one from GPU leading to separate fans each. That's worth nothing.
Benchmarks don't lie as far as temperature is concerned - performance is irrelevant here -as long as CPU and GPU are under full load and temps are being monitored you are testing cooling system, not performance.

 

Today i tried to remove the backcover, but it just fit to tight. The backcover goes around the edges and covers also the sides. I know for sure it has an empty m.2 slot (acer advertised this), so there is a way to remove it. But i dont want to do it without a proper guide

Still very happy with the Notebook.

 

description on the official site says that it has 2 ram slots so it can be replaced and HDD cant be soldered on so i am sure it is replaceable.
i intend to buy it with 8GB ram and 500GB HDD and replace it with 16GB RAM and 500GB SSD.

cant wait!

 

Agreed - it has to be upgradeable. I guess they may say that it isn't when there's no hatch that makes the upgrade easy. In case of this notebook you have to remove the whole bottom panel (like in v5-573G) so it's not really for eveyone.

 

Talking about the 573G, kinda flipflopping between that and this now. This has 860M for pretty much the same price (if I go for the i7, 850M version of the former) but this is heavier and those temps don't look so good.. waiting for notebookcheck to review it

 

@mmmw

I see your point. v5-573G looks like it has better cooling, better battery life (due to ULV CPU) and looks more professional (I know it sounds unimportant but I do meet with CEOs on daily basis and I have to look professional).

That said there will be a huge gap in performance between the two. I used notebookcheck to compare Y50 with 4 core Core i7 and v5-573G in games (same games, same settings, same website) and the gap is incredible. I may find the comparison I made if you are interested.

 

was the comparison against this model or the older i5/750m model? Acer Aspire V5-573G-74518G25aii Intel Core i7-4510U 8GB 256GB SSD NVIDIA GeForce GTX 850M Full-HD Windows 8.1 bei notebooksbilliger.de

 

I made a comparison that featured Y50 i7 & 860M against v5-573M i7 ULV & 850M in the same games at high and ultra settings. Spoiler alert - v5 573G got its chassis kicked

Y50 and Acer Nitro should offer pretty much the same performance so it should be valid.

 

thanks that's very helpful. Now I wonder if we can just assume Nitro is equal to Y50 just because they have the same parts.

Edit: Does anyone know if the keyboard is the same as any other models out there? Will have to replace it with an English language one but afaik there are no English language models yet.

 

I beg to differ as well. one can tell a lot from just looking at the cooling components: number/size/curvatures/length of heat pipe, number, size and thickness, number of blades in the fan, placement of where everything is, size and fins and material of heat sink, number of vents, etc.

temps can differentiate greatly based on your room temp or status of thermal paste etc, therefore you can't evaluate how cooling is without looking at its setup

 

well, you need both. just looking at it helps, but you wont get all infos. and just benching (without giving the bench-conditions like room temp. etc.) doesn't give you the whole story either.

 

Is there already a release date (for the Netherlands)?

 

There is also a version of vn7-591g i7 with 500 hdd for 999€, and i tempted to order one and swipe 500gb with 256gb ssd and use hdd as a external hard drive.

 

Do the hybrid versions have 2 separate slots one for SSD and another for HDD or is the hybrid drive literally a hybrid 2in1? Would be great if it had two separate slots, would buy the cheaper model and slot in my existing SSD.

 

I does not say anything but take a look here : Acer Aspire VN7-591G-755E 39,6 cm Notebook schwarz: Amazon.de: Computer & Zubehör

 

Iam almost total sure, that they us a standard SSHD in that model. taht means, you can either swap the hard disk completly or (IMHO much better idea) add a M.2-SSD next to the SSHD.

btw: nice offer of amazon!

 

Can someone please comment on the battery life of 571G vs 591G? The spec is 8.5 hours for both, but I highly doubt this, as the 571G has a ULV CPU and the 840M uses about half the energy of 860M.

Also, can someone please tell us what IPS panel the 571G and 591G use? Use this to get the panel.

 

The battery life of the NBs is pretty sure but those 8,5 hours for the 591. The GPU doesn't matter, because of Optimus. But as you said: the 571 has an ULV CPU, the 591 has standard voltage. Expect roughly 4 hours, maybe 4,5.

On the panel: sorry, can't help with this.

 

small update from my side

The display is a LGD0443 (i used Phoenix EDID Designer). I used the Laptopdisplay the last few days a lot more and i have to say its not so good as i 1st thought because there is one weird thing. If u move the display around (for example backwards) the lower part stays as it should but the upper part changes. Its hard to describe. Its not like a tn panel distortion, more like a grey veil.

But if u come from a crappy tn panel its stilll a huge upgrade.

other things i have noticed

-somertimes i get a high pitched noise. If the fans not runnin and its very silent in ur room u can hear it.

-there is alot of space between a key and the chassis. very "nice" place for dust and dirt

-one day i had ultra hardcore throttling, then i did a reboot and everything was fine (the notebook was only in standby, maybe something got messed up with energy savin when i 1st started it?)

-battery i would say 3.5h (display 100%+ energy save mode)

-imho the fans could be faster under full load. That cant be the acer ultra boost. And i also didnt notice the acer dust defender technology

 

LockeDaBoss,

Thank you for taking the time to comment about the device, your posts are the only review of the laptop available right now.