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    Pfn_list_corrupt

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by psolms, Aug 12, 2008.

  1. psolms

    psolms Notebook Enthusiast

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    ok.. so im trying to install some new RAM (kingston acer RAM at 4GB...)

    i have the latest BIOS (v 1.44) for my Aspire 5720Z.
    when i try to start with the new RAM i get a PFN_LIST_CORRUPT BSOD.
    anyone have any suggestions?

    i know that 32 bit vista only supports about 3-3.5 GB of RAM, but someone told me that it would just ignore the excess. They also told me that i could not get a 1G stick and a 2G stick because it was dual channel.. or something like that.

    anyways, any help would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. bigozone

    bigozone JellyRoll touring now

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    wont work

    you can only use 3 gigs max,
    and it must be installed as follows

    1gig in slot closest to MB
    2gig in slot on top of the 1gig

    acer's crappy BIOS does not JUST IGNORE IT... that is why you get the BULESCREEN errors,, ACER has not programed the ICL50 BIOS to IGNORE THE RAM ABOVE 3.3g
     
  3. Quilty997

    Quilty997 Notebook Consultant

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    BigO is spot on, but the system should go very well on 3Gb.

    This is one of the BSOD error messages I saw most often when testing memory upgrade options.

    The other 2Gb won't be wasted, lots of people have 2x1Gb in their systems and will be happy to take it off your hands.

    I also found that my system still ran in dual channel mode with 3Gb of RAM (with identical RAM chips apart from size).
     
  4. bigozone

    bigozone JellyRoll touring now

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    even w/ different ram chips and mismatched sizes you get dual channel

    but without matched sticks that are the same size you from SYMMETRIC to ASYMMETRIC mode or is it the other way around??
     
  5. Quilty997

    Quilty997 Notebook Consultant

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    Memory access mode in multi processor systems is a very technical area indeed and I last tuned an OS in the mid 80s when things were measured in bits and bytes and I was trying to optimise the multi user performance of 256k of core and a 4.8Mb overlay (swapfile) disc.

    In my 5315 CPUZ reports that the chipset is running in Symmetric mode with 3Gb of RAM (according to CPUZ 1.46).

    This may appear odd, but although some simple theory assumes that there is an equal probability of a memory request going to any part of the physical memory - this can't be true or cache memory wouldn't exist.

    Intel got badly burned by the high performance of AMD's Athlon 64 architecture with its on die memory controller and until the fightback with the recent generations of multicores had to exist at the high end by clocking the P4 ever higher and adding lots of clever cache.

    To make this approach work at all well, Intel must have done a lot of analysis of real world memory access so that it could optimise its cache designs and Intel has always had some very good engineers.

    Once it analysed the real world memory access data, good cache design principles could be adopted by any of their products that need them and laptops in particular are quite likely to be user upgraded with dissimilar memory chips.

    Sadly Intel engineers don't seem to buy Acer laptops so we may never know for sure..... :D
     
  6. Andy

    Andy Notebook Prophet

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    The 2+1 GB ram will run in asynchronous dual channel mode. You'll probably see an extra 3% performance boost, not much :D.
    Dual-Channel doesn't give much of a boost on intel systems ;), and since you have a 32-bit OS, there is no need to even think above 3GB. For a more noticeable performance increase, get RAM with lower latency.

    (And btw, what is the STOP error code ? 0x4E ?)
     
  7. kiriakost

    kiriakost Notebook Deity

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    Hmmmm ... hey take this back ... or i will imagine , that you are a pathetic old fashion, AMD Athlon lover . :D

    The Dual-Channel , are one technology that really works .

    The benefit its not visible to the naked eye , TRUE .
    By the same prospect , and one HD with 8MB cache looks alike with one with 16MB .

    The question are ... Does the user do large file transfers to multiple sources by the same hard disk ???

    If yes he will see the gain . ;)
     
  8. Andy

    Andy Notebook Prophet

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    These are theoretical figures, and there is alot more to memory performance such as Latency, Chip Size etc

    RAM tranfsers data in "strobes". Just like a strobe light, it cycles on and off. Well, what dual channel does is offset each pipe so that one stick is strobing on, while the other is off.

    Same is with the HDD cache, the difference b/w 8MB and 16MB cache is noted in the slight increase in R/W times in synthetic benchmarks with 16MB cache, and large file transfers over a sustained period of time. Again, there are other factors that contribute more to the performance of an HDD, i.e. spindle speed, areal density, effective partitioning, no. of platters vs size etc etc.
    In both the cases, the advantages of D/C RAM and HDD Cache are not noted in real-world performance.
    D/C Channel RAM is actually more efficient on AMD systems (I have never owned an AMD system in my life), and I despise Intel for that. :rolleyes:
     
  9. bigozone

    bigozone JellyRoll touring now

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    my last AMD was a 486 that was spec'd to run at 4X 33mhz,, but my motherboard supported a 40mhz FSB so that was my first experience into overclocking instead of 133Mhz, i was running an unbelievable 160Mhz..

    man those were the days