The Official Arrandale Timeline Thread

@Hendrickson: Lay Your hands on Your 3820TG, make the Thread, I'll follow.

Don't know about the result of the screen re-calibration, haven't done it yet due to my known dilemma.

@Bronsky: I'll definately join the Lounge or whatever.

For now, the HD5650 seems to be perfect for the 13" chassis, dosen't have heat issues, dosen't get warmer than 63 C during games.
Don't know how much warmer can the HD5730 get compared to the HD5650, if the difference is marginal, someone might squeeze the HD5730 in a 13 chassis.

BTW I see the SXPS 16 updatd with HD5730 so maybe bigger space is needed for this GPU's sufficient cooling.

 

At the moment nobody knows something about a 3820 "il diavolo" in germany.

The Acer support just told me, that the i5-520m will be the greatest CPU in the 3820 for the next time. Or with other words, a faster 3820 doesn't exist on the paper at the moment for the market. (all the information are for germany)

Best regards

 

Actually, it's the XPS 16 refresh that got me thinking about the HD5730. They upgraded the 16 with the HD5650 and the HD5730 at the same time (within days of each other). Knowing Dell (my office's only option for 10 years ), they would do this if the GPU's were nearly interchangable.

I don't realistically think there will be any HD5730 offered in a 13" device. It's fun to speculate. I think Acer will have another 6 months before there is any competition at all to the 3820TG. Another parallel to the P310. The P310had no competition for quite some time - probably the introduction of the Sony Z11. I think the 3820TG is going to have that kind of longevity. The 4820TG and 5820TG face a lot more competition from notebooks with superior GPUs in their size. I think HP will eventually slap a better GPU in its new DV3. The DV5 will also get a dedicate GPU eventually, like the DV5T before it. The U30JC should be upgraded to an HD5650 or GT335M. I doubt that Asus will do this anytime soon. The UL30JT should have fully powered CPUs or the I7-660M and the integrated 320M like the 13" MBP.

Bronsky

 

Even if we don't know anything about it, a 3820 il diavolo would be great. But seeing those 4820 being available lets me hope...

ama zon.de/Acer-Timeline-4820TG-624G16Mns-Diavolo-Notebook/dp/B003IKOOU6

noteb ook.de/index.php?section=shop&group=1284&productid=30075

noteboo klieferant.de/acer-aspire-tlx-4820tg624g16mns-356cm14intel-core-i7620m4gb-ram160-gb-ssdati-hd5650rww7hp-p-6819.html

 

@bronsky did hp release new dv 3 with i5?

about dm4t does it have a 5650?

also what do you think abt

1.8kg vs 2.1 does .3 kg reeally matter when you carry it around?

for 3820tg i really dont like its keyboard its very cheaply designed compare its keyboard to full chiclet like in vaio z or series orasus u30jc for spec wise its good

what do you think abt build ergonomics and aesthatics of 3820tg

also is 3820tg with 9 cell battery 1.8kg?

 

no the 6cell is 1.8kg 9cell should weight some bit more

 

No, looks like it will be shipping with the i5 520UM processors clocked at much lower speeds (1.06 / turbo 1.86Ghz ) and the 310M nvidia card which is just a re-labelled 210m?. Turbo 33 seems to slow the unit too, which is odd. Units are already out there. Just check the UL30jt thread.

The UL30jt is poor successor to the UL30vt....And has about half the power of the 3820TG Glad I did not wait for it. I get a feeling Asus is pumping out too many new designs as of late and this is causing more delays etc. Doesn't stop me eyeing the g73jh as a replacement for my slightly aged P6831fx..However the amount of issues people are having with that one is a tad worrying.

And Acer just take there sweet time getting theirs to the rest of the world.

 

what are these 4820tg's alternatives you are speaking of?

 

why would envy 14 i5/5650 be better than acer 3820tg with i5/ati 5650? i thought they are same specs..

about backlid keyboard, has it been proven it can be done on 3820tg? i mean without soldering..

why would you wanna upgrade to at 5730 if it gets pretty much the same results as 5650 ?

anyone knows the temps on cpu i5 vs i7 and 5650 under load on 3820tg (no o/c)? thxxx cant wait for 3820. anyone wants to buy my p310 ?

 

don't know mabye because better build quality, better display quality and higher resolution and they mabye even offer matt display(don't know dont have source just my thought since you can customize they might offer matt display)

 

I was not very clear ... I meant that Asus should abandon the low voltage CPUs and make the JT a fully powered ultrathin unit with the 310/optimus. The U30 could then get a better GPU and would not compute in the same market. But Asus will not do this.

Bronsky

 

I will have to do some soldering as there is no plug for the led power cable. I'll be the first i think to try this mod. At least in an English speakers forum.

I also plan to benchmark and overclock the GPU to judge safe overclocking limits via the temps and even maybe archive silver the GPU and CPU when I open it up.

Planning to try and even bump up the bus speed to overclock the cpu a little via setfsb. If the CPU temps permit me too. I dont want to burn it out!

Got all my tools lined up and ready for when everything arrives, Multimeter, solder iron, solder, plus thin cooper wire. I'm set to mod

 

From a performance perspective, they should be about the same without going to a quad core. That was what I was saying:

"In its I5-540M/HD5650 configuration, the Envy will perform nearly identically to the I7-620M configuration of the 3820TG. I think it will actually cost ~ $200 less that the 3820TG/I7-620M with SSD (configuring both with a 160GB SSD) because of the factory offering and HP's discounts."

But, the lower cost of the I5 and the factory SSD with HP's discounts, makes the Envy less expensive than the Acer for comparable performanc, putting the SSD in after purchase.

As far as I know, there is no way to add the backlighted keyboard without soldering. We're not even sure it can be done with soldering. Still waiting for the pony express to deliver Henrdickson's computer. I assume that if the 3810T had a backlit keyboard option, some version of the motherboard should have a place to plug it in - No? If I can ever get my hands on a schematic, of the 3810T Mobo and can locate it, we can see if it was removed from the 3820T's board.

5730 = marginally better and overclocking potential.

Bronsky

 

I'd definitively burn a usb rather than the bluetooth, wonder why hendrickson isn't. He said he's never going to use it, but you never know, while you'll hardly use 4 usb at the same time, given that they are also 2.0.. or maybe, if there is a space for the umts module, that should be powered shouldn't it?

 

Problem is the USB ports are attached to the mainboard I think. (not a flex cable / separate pcb with ports) So there is more risk soldering on the mainboard. Fry a 3820TG motherboard or the $20 bluetooth card? Hmmmm

Good thinking on the UMTS module, apparently there is a sim reader there in place but no card installed. I might be installing one and use it. If not maybe I could look at using the power from that and the FN+ Fx key to turn the backlights on or off? Not sure that will work without the card installed.

I won't know till I open it up when I have both the notebook and new keyboard. (Should have both delivered next week I hope!!)

Btw anyone found any service manual's for the 3820TG or motherboard photos up close?

 

I called up some shops in Singapore they are selling i5 520m+5650 and i7 620m+5650 for i7 620m the price they are charging is SGD 1799 including shipping to Malaysia Which is like USD 1285 !! whew A bit too much dont you think but acer in Singapore has the best 3820tg in the world right now unless you mod it your self

Also I didnt bargain with them and they give some freebies with it like ext dvd writer+bag+mouse+kensington lock+usb Drive+ laptop skin

If i take without freebies and if i can bargain them to sgd 1600 it will be a sweet deal.

 

If I were you I take the 5650HD with a low end processor.
Why?
1)Processor is replaceable so if I wanted an upgrade later it would be a drop in upgrade
2)I believe the heat generated by the components combined are quite high, dropping the processing power might alleviate the issue
3)Most games are more dependant on GPU power than CPU so it should be able to run all games at good framerates a lower end cpu affect little or non of gaming performance.

What I believe is Acer has failed to account for thermal considerations when offering the i7 on the TimelineX.
Although I have to agree that the price difference between the models and the market SKU difference between the i5 and the i7 makes the higher end version more worth it in an economic sense although it may be due to Intel marking up the price of OEM Processors.

It is just my opinion.

 

If the I5 would cost $1,100 USD and the I7 cost $1,285 USD, I would go for the I7 without any hesitation. The Model is not currently being distributed anywhere but Singapore. It is probably the most desirable 13.3" configuration available in the entire world at the moment at a cost of an additional $185. If you can make a better deal, do so, but if you can't I would still get the I7 model.

Bronsky

Like Weinter says, it's just my opinion.

 

yeah i am just waiting for a US release date and prices hopefully will pick up cheap i5 430m+5650 for USD 900 with shipping and add 200 more for i7 620m if needed so total will be usd 1100

also in taiwan they released a revision od timelinex with bluetooth 3.0 and may be usb 3.0 too hopefully US gets it.

But I am worried whether US will get 5650 or not because like Vaio EA in Europe got 5650 models US still has 5470 and its been months!! also there are good configurations from brands that dont come to US.

On another Note HP Malaysia released the DV3 with Muse chassis
its the first 13 inch laptop i am seeing with a i7 720Qm quad proc+5450(bummer) its going here for RM 4,000(USD ~1200)

Weight 2.1 kg

There is a shop called Firdouse in Singapore they Ship internationally you guys might call them up and check if you like
they have the i7+5650 3820tg

I really dont like the idea of Quad in a 13 inch it will be supper hot

I will call the Singapore shops to ask for more bargain

 

Usb 3?

Never heard about it...

 

You SHOULD've!

@Hendrickson: you are right about the motherboeard risk, i wouldn't do it. Didn't think about it. Hopefully you'll be able to use the UMTS module. Although I guess it won't power unless there is the specific module, but maybe motherboards are simplier than I think, so that whenever there is something sucking power there the dedicated key will somehow power it. Indeed, you don't need it to "work" really, you just need it to give some power, and even if it's not the perfect voltage or amperage i believe some light will come to the keyboard. Nonetheless, soldering not on the UMTS module but on the motherboard connector for it would be as risky as using a USB, don't you think?

 

Any news when this laptop is coming out?

 

In the timelineX?

So please share this information. As far as I know, the upgrade concerns the processors and the bluetooth (3) but never heard, seen or read about USB3...

 

@apoikos

Don't be worry about the power part of backligt keyboard.
I think Hendrickson knows what he wants to do and is able to make the best decision for him. Hendrickson seems not to be an absolute beginner.

@max7
USB 3.0 is the new and faster USB standard, which should replace the older USB 2.0 standard in the next time.


Has anybody measured the temps of the 3820tg with a closed Display?
In my office I would use it with closed display with an external TFT and keyboard.

Edit max7
There aren't any TimelineX models with USB 3.0, on the page notebooksbilliger.de it was a typing error.

 

I Know.

Post 3071 is a reaction to post 3070. Somebody mentioned the upcoming product upgrade of the timelineX's and said there would be USB3. Which I found very astonishing...

 

no timelinex models have usb3.0. some models have bluetooth3.0. that might be the mix up.

 

well one shop offered me SGD 1698 for 3820tg i7 620m+5650 without free gifts.

another shop will email me by tonite i wish i could be in singapore right now because if i could visit those shops now i surely would find a shop with a bargain and price of SGD 1600 which is right under my budget somebody give me SGD 100

 

The end of June. This has been confirmed, through we're not sure if that's the date they will ship or the date they can be pre-ordered.

 

I know I am getting ahead of myself here, but is there any gpu right now or in the near future that is better than HD5650 and might realistically work on a 13" laptop?

As far as I know the HD5650 is probably going to be the best GPU you can get on an 13" laptop for a while. If that's the case, 3820TG will probably enjoy the kind of longevitiy as the P310, as some else mentioned before.

I just checked the benchmarks on notebookcheck.. according to the review the HD5650 is in the same league as 250m or even better... I don't know how reliable the information is but that's incredible for a 13 inch laptop

 

I am waiting to see if the 3810T keyboard can be swapped into the 3820TG. If I recall, the Singapore models have a different keyboard than the US version. If we don't see the new models here in the US by the end of June as indicated by the Acer FB post, I would have to consider all of my options, which, I guess, would include looking at teh Singapore I7 models. I would prefer to buy from a US retailer for ease of return and warranty issues. I'm still in a holding pattern. Luckily, Computex should keep my attention diverted for a week or so.

This is great information. Thanks for letting us know what's up.

Bronsky

@Hendrickson - just saw this mod. Somebody taking power off a USB port. Just thought id'd post it in case there is something here that helps (like taping the wires down before working on the board). The other thing in the post is teh dsicussion about the lower voltage in the WWAN port. I think the BT module is the best bet. http://engineerable.com/2010/05/logitech-unifying-receiver-integrated-into-lenovo-w500-laptop/ and http://forum.notebookreview.com/ace...410-1810t-1810tz-timeline-tweaks-2-a-143.html

 

Singapore Laptops uses US International Keyboard.

 

yup thats true plus i7620m+5650 is not the retail unit its a student promo many bought this in bulk now selling it at a good price also i dunno after a month whether it will be available or not because pc show 2010 is coming in singapore at june 10th to 13th they will get more promos for that may be upto sgd 250 cut so it will sell like hot cakes

are you really confirmed acer will release june 27th can give me a link of fb post?

 

Thanks Weinter. The US international would be fine with me ... it's what I have on my 1410T. Makes me think again about ordering an I7 model from Singapore.

@Riddhy916 here is the acer comment: http://forum.notebookreview.com/6295196-post3020.html and no I am not convinced that we will see timelines by June 27th. I do know that we will see Envy 14's on that date. That is probably why I am not all that concerned.

If you think that the I7 model will not be available much longer, I would get one. Given the similarity of the keyboards, I am tempted again to look into it.

Bronsky

Edit: Firdouse does not have the 3820TG as far as I can see. If you do decide to buy from a Singapore dealer, I would be interested to know if they would ship to me here in the US. If so, I could easily arrange payments and probably a fedex or UPS pickup. Thanks.

 

Well i called firdouse today and they told me its available and also they will email me.

I will contact them again to ask if they can ship to US

 

Great! I was looking on their website (i registered) and it did not show up in response to my searches. Let me know what they tell you. It would be great if they could ship.

I appreciate all the information you are gathering.

Bronsky

 

well asian countries dont update their websites even on a monthly basis sometimes but yeah i called them up to chk the i5 520m+5650 then they told me they have the i7 too also there is another shop called active technologies they also offered me i7 620m+5650 at sgd 1699 but on a strictly cash and carry basis

I would also try to find out if there is ebay payment methods that will be easy for you

 

I just found out that you can get the I4-430 or I5-520/5650 version in taiwan. I think they are new because I couldn't find the 5650 version last week

Here's links to online stores that are selling them

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nice find please ppl post your listings from various coutries with price in usd conversion

 

The only thing that would be better in the close future would be an ATI HD5750/70 mobility with GDDR5 memory. Basically the same chip but with GDDR5 support, so about same power consumption/heat but increased performance.

Nvidia is expected to push out new GPU's late this year, but so far the rumoured ones are powerful fermi chips for huge 17+ inch computers.

I'd say 13" + HD5650 would stay strong at least until next year.

 

even more than next yr unless ati does 28nm gpu its also upto the brands whether they decide to release a 13 inch + mainstream gpu

 

My company has an American Express credit card if they will take it or we can have funds wired in the space of an hour. Payment is no problem if some retailer will ship. I'll be emailing firdouse today.

Bronsky

EDIT: Email sent - I'll let you all know what they say.

 

instead of email call them directly and ask for detail specs of 3820tg with i7

http://assets.hardwarezone.com/retailer_pricelist/Firdouse_3.pdf

 

Since it's nearly 2:00 a.m. in Singapore, I guess I'll wait 'till tomorrow. I sent an email anyway to the email address on the flyer telling them i am interested in buying the 3820TG. The model number of the I7-3820TG in the flyer is the same as the one in my sig. It has everything listed in the sig but the SSD (620GB 5400 rpm HD instead).

If I am converting correctly, the Acer will cost $1,350.00. Shipping will cost extra. It will cost another $380-$400 for the SSD. $1,730 without calculating shipping cost. The total would be $400 more than the Envy 14 with factory SSD. Given the fact that there is no sign that we will see this model any time soon, its power and its weight, it is probably worth it.

Bronsky

 

The HD5650 isn't bad at all, and from what I'm seeing loves to be overclocked to 700 / 950++ and very stable.

Dammint - Just checking DHL tracking and its DHs Low...omg my 3820TG still at 60% of its journey and hasn't moved for the last 3 days almost. What is going on... Why they hell is it so slow. Deliveries in Spain are normally slow but this is DHL and it seems a joke now. I guess I might see it by Friday *if* I'm lucky. I've ordered from the US notebooks and had them here quicker than this.

The keyboard is likely to arrive before the notebook and thats coming from China and a normal tracked mail service.

I knew I should have changed it to UPS.....grrr, I need it badly now as my 6831fx is giving me a BSOD once or twice a day now. Due to audio driver conflicts that I cannot fix unless I go back to Vista... ;(

I hope it works out and you become a member of the official 3820TG owners club

 

well your calculation is wrong that price is printed price
its not the bargain price with gifts like ext dvd writer its sgd 1799 but without it it will be sgd 1698 or even less because active notebook offered me sgd 1698

and firdouse will mail me without gifts as well so it will sgd 1698 or less thats USD 1213 (USD 1 = SGD 1.4) shipping i dont know hopefully USD 80 at best

 

If someone had told me 5 years ago that an acer costing almost 2k was 'worth it' I would have looked at them like they were crazy. Now, even I am entertaining ideas like this. I paid that much for a Vaio Z I wasn't happy with and returned...why not try an acer.

The last acer I had was an atrocious econo box desktop with an athlon k6 processor and geforce 2 mx....I hated that machine with a passion. I'm waiting until someone else is the guinea pig before buying a machine from singapore with little to no chance of successfully returning.

 

I suggest you should use seagate momentus xt 500gb for now and get gen 3 ssd from intel in Q4 it will be cheap

 

It's quiet in here.

 

That's cuz it's not coming to US any time soon. Also, probably cuz some review sites say that the build quality isnt that great. Additionally, we're all at the ENVY threads

 

No and No - Not all of us are in envy of the heavy, but built like a brick Envy Some of us are waiting for them or using them now. Where are reviews about the bad build qaulity? All the European reviews say its good build qaulity. Only commenting that the screen is average and the keyboard keys take a bit to get use to. Most reviews give it a rating of 80 - 92%