Warning 4101WLMi and X700 64mb!

Hello!

I have bought a 4101Wlmi with a 64MB X700 Graphics Card and it is
not what i expected.
I can´t get more then 27.5fps in Doom3 1024*768 Medium Quality.
In 3dmark 2001 i get a score of 11500 and in 3dmark 2003 about 3650!

I have tryed to resolve the trouble and i have found it, Ati Tray Tools systeminformation reports that the "memory interface" is only 64bit with GDDR3 memory.
I think i will return the laptop and buy a Acer with 128bits data path!
Can´t understand why Acer don´t inform the customer if the computer has 128 or 64bit interface.
It´s like buying a 6800GT and get a remarked 6600, they fool
people with some sort of dissinformation.

Is it a X700 then it should have performance of a x700 not a x600 or less!

 

I ran the everest home edition on my 4102 and this is the display adapter report;

Its reported as 128bit, so it might be that acer upgraded it on the 4102? I can't find the memory bus width in the ati systemtray but it says that it is using ddr1 memory.


Graphics Processor Properties:
Video Adapter ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26-X)
GPU Code Name M26-X
PCI Device 1002 / 5653
Transistors 110 million
Process Technology 0.11u
Bus Type PCI Express x16
Memory Size 64 MB
GPU Clock 105 MHz (original: 358 MHz)
RAMDAC Clock 400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines 8
TMU Per Pipeline 1
Vertex Shaders 6 (v2.0)
Pixel Shaders 1 (v2.0)
DirectX Hardware Support DirectX v9.0
Pixel Fillrate 840 MPixel/s
Texel Fillrate 840 MTexel/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type SDR
Bus Width 128-bit
Real Clock 120 MHz (original: 345 MHz)
Effective Clock 120 MHz
Bandwidth 1920 MB/s

 

I checked info about the Graphics in Everest Home and the Memorybus was
not 128bit like yours it was 64bit SDR
I will return the computer today, i bought it because it had a x700 and i hoped to play games with a not so choppy framerate!

 

thanks for the info with that. i was concerned about this.

 

I have returned the computer to the store and i got my money back
I have order a Aspire 5021wlmi instead with a x700 128mb graphics card and
hopefully a 128bits bus!
But what i heard the 5021 is very good gaming computer for the money.

 

lucky you. i found after few weeks too that my x700 mobile has 64bit memory bus... it was too late to complain about that. aspire 1691wlmi.

 

Funny, I also have an X700, only mine is a Turion notebook. Here is what everest says:
[ PCI Express x16: ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (Acer) ]

Graphics Processor Properties:
Video Adapter ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (Acer)
GPU Code Name M26-X
PCI Device 1002 / 5653
Transistors 110 million
Process Technology 0.11u
Bus Type PCI Express x16
Memory Size 64 MB
GPU Clock 358 MHz (original: 358 MHz)
RAMDAC Clock 400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines 8
TMU Per Pipeline 1
Vertex Shaders 6 (v2.0)
Pixel Shaders 1 (v2.0)
DirectX Hardware Support DirectX v9.0
Pixel Fillrate 2864 MPixel/s
Texel Fillrate 2864 MTexel/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type SDR
Bus Width 128-bit
Real Clock 331 MHz (original: 330 MHz)
Effective Clock 331 MHz
Bandwidth 5296 MB/s

 

Your memory bandwidth is alot higher than mine, why is that? Could it be the ddr1 instead of ddr3 video memory that is on my X700?

 

Wow, it is, I didnt notice that before. So is my fill rate, yours is 840MTexels/s and mine is 2864, that is a Huge difference. However, my GPU clock is 358MHz. Yours says " GPU Clock 105 MHz (original: 358 MHz)". Could that have anything to do with it?
Download PowerStrip and see what it says, see how fast your memory and core clocks are. Post the speeds and then we'll see what else we can do. BTW, mine are, as default, 358 core: 331 memory.

Yes, I am not sure if mine is using DDR or GDDR3, anyone know how to find this out?

 

I think i know the reason for the difference. I was running everest on battery supply.

Heres the everest report when i ran in with power plugged in;

[ PCI Express x16: ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26-X) ]

Graphics Processor Properties:
Video Adapter ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26-X)
GPU Code Name M26-X
PCI Device 1002 / 5653
Transistors 110 million
Process Technology 0.11u
Bus Type PCI Express x16
Memory Size 64 MB
GPU Clock 358 MHz (original: 358 MHz)
RAMDAC Clock 400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines 8
TMU Per Pipeline 1
Vertex Shaders 6 (v2.0)
Pixel Shaders 1 (v2.0)
DirectX Hardware Support DirectX v9.0
Pixel Fillrate 2864 MPixel/s
Texel Fillrate 2864 MTexel/s

Memory Bus Properties:
Bus Type SDR
Bus Width 128-bit
Real Clock 344 MHz (original: 345 MHz)
Effective Clock 344 MHz
Bandwidth 5504 MB/s


Also, you can see the ram type description when you right click on ati systemtool on the system tray and select display setting and click advance to go into the ati tabbed options control. From there go to the option tab and click on the details button. Mine says ddr1 as ram type.

I installed powerstrip and it reports my gpu as Memory:344mhz-Engine:358mhz. I was not game enough to try the configuration setting it provides though. Whats the setting that can be enhanced without causing any risk of damage?

 

I have an Aspire 3023WLMI that came with an X700 128MB instead of the X600 128MB advertised on the site I bought it from here in the UK.

The strange part is the report I get from Everest though. It identifies the card as a PCI Express x16: ATI FireGL V5000 (RV410GL) with GDDR3 memory and 10.3 GB/s bandwidth.


Video Adapter ATI FireGL V5000 (RV410GL)
GPU Code Name RV410GL
PCI Device 1002 / 5E48
Transistors 110 million
Process Technology 0.11u
Bus Type PCI Express x16
Memory Size 128 MB
GPU Clock 358 MHz (original: 358 MHz)
RAMDAC Clock 400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines 8
TMU Per Pipeline 1
Vertex Shaders 6 (v2.0)
Pixel Shaders 1 (v2.0)
DirectX Hardware Support DirectX v9.0
Pixel Fillrate 2864 MPixel/s
Texel Fillrate 2864 MTexel/s

Memory Bus Properties
Bus Type GDDR3
Bus Width 128-bit
Real Clock 331 MHz (DDR) (original: 330 MHz)
Effective Clock 662 MHz
Bandwidth 10.3 GB/s

Memory Timings
CAS Latency (CL) 5T
RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD) 7T
RAS Precharge (tRP) 6T
RAS Active Time (tRAS) 14T
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 22T
RAS To RAS Delay (tRRD) 5T
Write Recovery Time (tWR) 7T


Below the info after some overclocking:


Video Adapter ATI FireGL V5000 (RV410GL)
GPU Code Name RV410GL
PCI Device 1002 / 5E48
Transistors 110 million
Process Technology 0.11u
Bus Type PCI Express x16
Memory Size 128 MB
GPU Clock 390 MHz (original: 358 MHz, overclock: 9%)
RAMDAC Clock 400 MHz
Pixel Pipelines 8
TMU Per Pipeline 1
Vertex Shaders 6 (v2.0)
Pixel Shaders 1 (v2.0)
DirectX Hardware Support DirectX v9.0
Pixel Fillrate 3120 MPixel/s
Texel Fillrate 3120 MTexel/s

Memory Bus Properties
Bus Type GDDR3
Bus Width 128-bit
Real Clock 375 MHz (DDR) (original: 330 MHz, overclock: 14%)
Effective Clock 750 MHz
Bandwidth 11.7 GB/s

Memory Timings
CAS Latency (CL) 5T
RAS To CAS Delay (tRCD) 7T
RAS Precharge (tRP) 6T
RAS Active Time (tRAS) 14T
Row Refresh Cycle Time (tRFC) 22T
RAS To RAS Delay (tRRD) 5T
Write Recovery Time (tWR) 7T

 

Very interesting!

Download powerstrip and see what that tells you. If it says the same thing, you are stuck with that card.

 

Powerstrip shows the card as an X700. Probably a bug in Everest (not so lucky to get a fireGL for free )
Well, I am not complaining, an X700 instead of a X600 is more that enough

 

Oh well. I'd take an X700 over a X600 any day of the week. Besides, the V5000 wouldnt be much good for games.

 

how do you find out that information on the computer were abouts is it

 

Just type "everest home edition" in google and, when you go to their website, then download the home edition and run it, it gives you all the info

 

Code:

[ PCI Express x16: ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26-X) ]

    Graphics Processor Properties:
      Video Adapter                                     ATI Mobility Radeon X700 (M26-X)
      GPU Code Name                                     M26-X
      PCI Device                                        1002 / 5653
      Transistors                                       110 million
      Process Technology                                0.11u
      Bus Type                                          PCI Express x16
      Memory Size                                       128 MB
      GPU Clock                                         358 MHz  (original: 358 MHz)
      RAMDAC Clock                                      400 MHz
      Pixel Pipelines                                   8
      TMU Per Pipeline                                  1
      Vertex Shaders                                    6  (v2.0)
      Pixel Shaders                                     1  (v2.0)
      DirectX Hardware Support                          DirectX v9.0
      Pixel Fillrate                                    2864 MPixel/s
      Texel Fillrate                                    2864 MTexel/s

    Memory Bus Properties:
      Bus Type                                          SDR
      Bus Width                                         128-bit
      Real Clock                                        344 MHz  (original: 345 MHz)
      Effective Clock                                   344 MHz
      Bandwidth                                         5504 MB/s

mine seem like 128 Bit