acer gaming laptop predator 21x

http://community.acer.com/t5/Acer-Ideas/Acer-Predator-21x-hardware/td-p/453935

looks like some representative decide to take away the idea i think he got it wrong but on right track. b4 jumping to conclusion, the guy only mentioned they it take away but not necessary implement it. normally when it comes to online support/ online idea/forums, i take it with grain of salt.


interestingly, look at this idea post
http://community.acer.com/t5/Acer-I...ssic-gaming-membrane-keyboard-not/td-p/453432

this one was flat out rejected and the fact that Acer rep know full well of issue at hand that it would cost too much and simply not happening, gives a higher chance on the socketed CPU idea to take place. your thoughts?

@Mr. Fox @Papusan @TBoneSan @Mobius 1 @hmscott @Meaker@Sager @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER @Cass-Olé @mason2smart @ rest of the nonBGA boys

 

you think they care?

 

usually no, dont think they would even bother to look at the ideas. this one maybe? they say they would look at it who knows if they really do or not lol

 

torquedahl should have explicitly named MXM GPU's be used, as well as the socketed CPU.

torquedahl did say soldered GPU, but it needs to be clear he meant standard MXM GPU's, as GPU's are BGA parts soldered on the MXM card.

It looks like they have layed out all the parts, and have functioning units used for live demo's, but are waiting for Kabylake + Series 200 motherboard chipset before releasing - to get the maximum separation between existing 1080 SLI implementations.

I doubt this generation will get socketed CPU and MXM treatment, maybe the next generation.

 

Even if they consider sockets, it would be for the CPU only. At least that's the impression I got.

 

Yeah, typo fixed

 

yea ROFL should just be no solder all together

 

woah $9k for all BGA soldering.
http://hothardware.com/news/acer-predator-21-x-gaming-notebook-with-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-sli

 

Yeah. I would have thought it was April 1st, and not early Jan.

More info - http://www.anandtech.com/show/10963...tor-21-x-21inch-curved-screen-gaming-notebook

 

Starting at $9000. I would really like to know just what in the world Acer was thinking when they came up with that price.

MSI GT83 with dual 1080s is $4500-$5000 depending on options. Clevo with dual 1080s starts at $4500 ($4900 without special offers for 64gb ram).

Acer is charging almost double that for what? A 3" bigger curved screen and an Acer badge? Plus everything is soldered so unlike the MSI (GPU only) and Clevo you're stuck with what you bought.

 

Here's our coverage of the Predator 21X: http://www.notebookreview.com/news/new-acer-nitro-predator-gaming-notebooks-monsters/

Charles

 

They will literally sell 11 of these things.

 

rofl i was wondering just how many they can actually sell. premium pricing but below par hardware, no upgrade option, acer really messed up big time. if they dont sell enough then we wont expect another generation from this line up, means good bye to any possible socket CPU/GPU in it.

 

It's a nice looking machine other than that horrible blue dragon or whatever above the keyboard. Same problem I had with the MSI GT80. That ugly red dragon. Stop with the crazy drawings and just make it look a little classier, a little more premium. That's 1 thing Alienware did right with their 18 and still does right with their newer models. Hell for 9 grand, they could have just put a bar of gold there instead.

 

$9000? They didn't didn't feel like going for an even $10000?

 

I think they said it's made to order. They can't afford to have any of these things getting dusty in a warehouse.

 

made to order eh? it make sense why it would cost so much, but on the other hand the pricing should be WAY more if they dont mass produce these. im very sure they already have a bunch of thing in place pre made, such as motherboard design, pcb and all that all layed out, otherwise it would be no problem for them to go socket machine rather than all soldered, its prob sitting in warehouse lol

 

correction to my previous complaining about the blue drawing on the upper panel. Looks like you can get it plain black and the machine is actually pretty nice looking like that. Just cost about 5-6 grand too much. Seriously, if people are paying 4500 for an MSI or Asus 1080 SLI machine, they will pay less for a machine made by Acer.

 

IDK, I think a price of $5000-6000 would have gone over much better.

21" curved screen, more storage positions, unique design, all set the Acer 21x above the current 1080 SLI laptops in wow factor, if not performance.

The Acer 21x is likely somewhere between a MSI GT83VR and a Clevo P870DM3 in performance, hopefully quieter with better cooling than both.

Acer should have come up with a single base and mobile PSU option... especially at $9k.

I haven't checked their configurator, maybe it can be RAM / Storage downgraded for a cheaper price?

 

LOL, this is pure marketing brilliance. They don't care if they sell a single one.

The Goal: get people talking about ACER, and its "edginess, and innovation." Maybe scoop up an award or two from panels of people that no nothing about the Enthusiast market, get people talking about ACER. "ACER is no longer a cheap Wall-Mart brand; it can be an industry leader"

Like Range Rover in the 80's. People won't think its crap if they stick a $$$$$$$$ price tag on it. Must be the best.

They also want to get people talking about ACER

 

The BIGGEST, HEAVIEST, Laptop EVER - $9,000 Acer Predator 21X

 

That valley score is pretty low for 1080 SLI. The difference of 17 degrees (57 vs 74) between the two GPUs - I really wonder what was the load on both and how this relates to those GPU temps.

 

Yeah, it's a new design, new production, might even be a test mule for development, so hopefully by the time it makes it to customers, it will be tuned up for better / top performance.

Remember the Clevo's had a similar GPU temperature discrepancy - turned out to be plastic shroud parts left on the bottom cover - removing them evened out the temps.

Air flow in a laptop is a tricky thing, you've gotta measure it in operations, not just theoretically design the airflow via CAD software - it's not always gonna work as expected.

It's likely power limits in the firmware that need to get tuned too, set to "safe" test limits for shows.

 

I can personally relate to this one - removal of those parts got me from 18 degrees difference down to 2-3.

As for the temperatures - I'm particularly interested in seeing maximum values. If they went cheap (on a premium machine... I still chuckle on this one) and chose the BGA route, then it should at least mean lower temps if I understand correctly.

 

Did one one else picture a MSI GT83 keyboard set up with this set up?

 

no acess to fan damn can't clean.

 

When you can afford a $9000 "gaming" laptop, you don't need to clean the fan's when they get dusty, you buy a new laptop

 

that design, the two SSD fans are the intake and exhaust are basically those 3 fans cpu and gpus. its gonna clog bad

 

this is the coolest thing i've seen since clevo's insane P750DM - desktop CPU in 15 inch formfactor.

hopefully there will be a saner 17" version with a single 1080 but with an ultrawide - non curved screen

 

Impressions of Acer's $9000 Laptop (That Weighs 19 Pounds) - Predator 21x - CES 2017


This $9,000 Gaming Laptop is Faster than Your Desktop


Acer’s Predator 21 X gaming laptop hands-on

 

if you're going to go that far why not just include a desktop cpu in the process? :|

 

I don't think Acer cared about much else than that Curved Wide Screen Monitor presentation platform. Everything else is supporting that feature.

Enough GPU to drive it, with enough CPU to drive them, without going full MXM / LGA.

It's too bad, as even the display isn't the "best" of Acer Predator feature set.

Maybe the next couple of rev's of the design will get it best in class, with MXM / LGA removeable parts, better for servicing.

I can't imagine that motherboard / board set is going to be cheap to replace, or easy to rework at a surface mount rework station.

At least Acer did it, got over the summit into delivery territory.

Now Acer need to make it better, cheaper, and keep up the model line over time, like MSI has done with the GT8x series.

 

I actually like it. Obviously not a fan of anything BGA but in general, I like it. Looks good, screen is nice, big and curved, I like curves . And it should perform pretty damn good. Of course by the time anyone has one it will be using GPU's approaching a year old but whatever.

It's funny. My 1st computer ever was an Acer desktop. Bought it in late 1996 I think. It was the purple and turquoise model they had. It stuck out because other than that it was a whole row of Packard Bell and IBM tan computers and then bam...there was this crazy looking Acer. Had 120mhz Pentium, 16MB RAM. Amazing to think back to that. Actually still had it up until a few years ago when finally cleaned house a bit. Still looked new because I am anal about my stuff like that and still powered on.

 

Msi GT8x needs change to 17" screen for me to even consider it...

 

the size and weight got nothing on the oldschool xps m2010, of course performance out does it cause its new gen hardware. the idea of BGA hardware sucked, even with xps m2010 back in the days was released right before hardware refresh, theres technically no GPU upgrade unless one looks into them but CPU upgrade was definitely possible, kinda sad that laptop never get to see another refresh due to poor soldered nvidia and ATI GPUs ruined that line up.

agreed, the size/looks is amazing, loved it, would have gotten one if they went all socket rather than BGA.

 

and whys that?

 

Only one 18.4 edp screen exist and is only 1080P60Hz with mediocre response time


17.3" like in GT73 has 120HZ/5MS gtg
17.3" also have 4K variant with excellent colorspace and accuracy

 

ah ic, yea people usually care about display n stuff. i use 900p on 18.4 inch though so i dont really mind haha, also 70hz overclocked is good enough for me but thats just me.

 

That was actually one of my main sticking points, multi-stage airflow just seems like a problem waiting to happen.

 

I wonder if activity within this thread reflects the true number of Sales for this unit! If so, my guess is Acer should've listened to us about the brilliance behind a BGA based product.in a $10,000 lappy.

Wishing everyone a great day !

 

Yeah, that price basically tells me Acer doesn't really want to sell many 21x laptops.

Maybe the next one will be both cool and affordable

 

It's probably just to draw attention to the brand, I can't imagine they ever intended to sell many.

 

whoa, they really throw in the price right at the consumer's faces.

I'm guessing the targeted consumers for this particular price of a BGA machine are

1. rich people who doesn't give about money and just want to look cool (to them its all about the spending power)
2. are not tech savvy, they think if they spend this much they will have the most if not the holy grail of gaming laptops

and Acer is clearly taking advantage.

BUT you guys just wait for Razer Project Valeria (prototype and was stolen) and see how much crazy the price would be.

 

This is a real demographic and shouldn't be overlooked or ignored. Making a machine for that type of person serves two main purposes. First, people like that like to show off. That gets your name in the minds of the folks who are impressed by big spenders, making them more likely to go for the brand. Second, it's a good way to get new tech that isn't practical for a flagship or line system into a real world unit that's actually shipped to someone. Saying you were the first to bring a tech to consumers, even if it's to the super rich, gets sales down the road, even if at the point where you're claiming it others have surpassed the tech in their own machines.

 

The word is impractical in all angle, unless they put in a 240hz 4K GSYNC, GTX 1080 SLI, i7-7700K, all socketed, 64GB memory, better storage, I can go on forever but my point is that a $9k for their current specs is just meh. Then again I don't know whats the logic behind all this.

 

Just generating interest. You aren't their target audience for this hardware. It's an intermediary product between a one-off concept and a full production run model, aimed squarely at the impractical big spenders. But that's the point, and impressing people who frequent NBR and know hardware better isn't.

 

http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/i...assembly-internal-photos-and-upgrade-options/

 

Not a fan of the C panel removal for component access. Call me old fashioned but a component access door on the bottom cover or removing the bottom cover entirely would definitely be preferred.

 

was hoping they move the display too to reveal gpu heatsinks completely. good share though. after looking at it, this laptop got so much more space im sure it can fit a lot more why are they holding back while charging 9k. with 6k they would get a lot more sales and put more stuff in it.

 

Agreed. There's no reason it should cost that with what's inside, and I don't think the screen adds that much. Then again, it's a "look what I bought with all the money I have" status symbol, not a practical machine.