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    making aspire 6920g faster?

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by NikinVarant, Jul 26, 2009.

  1. NikinVarant

    NikinVarant Newbie

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    hay,
    i have an acer aspire 6920g
    with following hardware:

    -intel core 2 duo t8100 (2.1 GHz, 800MHz FSB, 3mb L2 cache)
    -nvidioa geforce 9500m gs
    - 4 GB DDR2 Ram

    anyway when watching videos on youtube with people playing games
    on the same laptop i found out that my laptop is slower than the ones
    other poeple have ??
    i already tried to clean it with those air bottles but my laptop is still slower
    than the ones on youtube
    is ther anyway to make my laptop faste without overclocking it because
    i dont wanna loose my warranty.

    another question i have is because of changing hardware
    i read some hreads about changing cpus
    most people recommended a core 2 duo t9300
    but would it be a bis increase in my cause?
    when looking on alternate i saw that they have a t9600
    for the same price so i wondered whether i could use that one as welll even though it has a fsb of 1066 instead of my 800 that im using right now
    another one i saw was the p8600 (its said penryn-3m i dont know what that means) but it also has a fsb of 1066

    another thing is changing the graphic card
    first i have a question where i can buy graphic cards for laptops
    and then i read in a thread that the highest i can get is a 9650m gs
    because i only have a mxm II slot in my pc
    but on notebookcheck.com it says that the 9650 needs a mxm III slot.
    and the i have a question whether i could could use one of the new graphic cards from the geforce gtx 2000 serie

    and finaly i have the question what else i could change to make my pc faster like
    ram or hard drive or soo

    thank you very much
     
  2. TehSuigi

    TehSuigi Notebook Virtuoso

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    Hi NikinVarant, and welcome to the forums! Be sure to stick around after you've got your question answered.

    Some of those YouTube videos can be sketchy - you don't know if they're overclocking, nor on what settings the games are being run on. Don't trust everything you see on the Internet. ;)

    It's funny you mention not wanting to overclock because of losing the warranty, but it's very possible that hardware upgrades can void the warranty too! Anything beyond the hard drive and memory is not supported by Acer, so call the Acer Tech Support line in your part of the world to see if they'll still support the machine post-upgrade.

    It wouldn't be that big of an increase - 400 more MHz and 3 MB more of cache aren't worth the hassle and cost. Most CPU upgraders, like me, are coming from older-generation CPUs like the T5550 or T5750, which have a slower Front Side Bus as well as lower speeds.

    The T9600, and any Core 2 Duo CPU with an FSB of 1066 is not compatible with the 6920G.
    "Penryn-3M" denotes a Penryn core (the most modern mobile Core 2 Duo) with 3 MB of cache. The full Penryn core comes with 6 MB, but it's more expensive, so Intel sells cheaper models with less.

    I'm glad you asked about MXM - I'm one of the experts on the subject here on NBR-Acer.
    You'll need to buy them from eBay or from an Acer parts distributor like AcerParts or Notebook Doctor (don't have the URL on hand).
    Which thread said that the 9650M GS was an MXM-II card? It's always been posted by me as an MXM-III (and thus incompatible with the 6920G's MXM-II slot).
    You might be confusing that with the 9650M G T, which is simply a faster-clocked 9600M GT; besides, no one's been able to do a successful upgrade to the 9650M GT.
    Upgrades to the GTX 200M series is not possible at this time, and quite likely not ever. Acer and the other MXM supporting manufacturers are moving to a new form factor, which is completely incompatible with the familiar MXM-II card and slot.
    The most likely upgrade will be the ATi Radeon HD 4650 1GB DDR2 MXM-II card that's starting to circulate. It's enough to be a sizable boost, if early benchmarks are to be trusted.

    Hard drives don't really make your games any faster except in loading, and your RAM is already maxed out at 4GB.
    Have you downloaded and installed the latest graphics driver from Nvidia? It might give you a decent boost.
     
  3. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Have you done a clean install (such as with VLite) with updated drivers?
     
  4. DarkSilver

    DarkSilver MSI Afterburner

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    Overclocking does improve gameplay. But those videos in the youtube can be fake and untrustable sometime.
    You have the same specification as I do(as 6920G). I think you might able to overclock like me as well. This is the easiest way to improve your gameplay.
    Changing of CPU does not improve game with heavy graphic resources.
    Changing of CPU does improve game with heavy CPU resources such as Left 4 Dead and Team Fortress 2.
    Changing of GPU improve every games play(basically newer games or 3D intensive game included Team Fortress 2 and Left 4 Dead). I would suggest you to change the GPU or overclock it instead of changing the CPU.
    Nvidia 9600M GT/GS might be your choice. Then, you could just overclock 9600M GT/GS slightly and you can get the same performance like 9650M GT/GS.
     
  5. NikinVarant

    NikinVarant Newbie

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    wow
    thanks guys for the fast replies!!

    ok i think im not gonna get a new cpu then ;-)
    but about the overclocking
    im a total noob in that section
    so i have no idea att all what to do what
    programms to use and sooo
    and how much does it bring me?

    and then i read a lot here and on other sites that the pc
    throttles down after a while
    mine does it as well but only sometimes
    so what is the best way to avoid that??

    and another thing when playing games my
    graphic card goes up to over 70°C thats
    about 160°F
    and i think that is really high

    ok i think i gonna wait for the ati 4650 then
    how much differents does it bring to my gpu
    that i have right now?

    then i have a question about what sgogeta4 said
    i dont really understand what u ment
    im sorry but i dont know what i should install clean and
    what vlite is.

    oh ya and one question for TehSuigi
    so i have a mxm II slot right then right?
    and into that slot i can put mxm II and mxm III card right??

    oh yeah and one last question for DarkSilver
    since you have the exatly same laptop as i do can you
    like tell me a game that u play where i can get the demo
    so that we can compare how fast our pcs are
    cause as i said i think mine is a little slow
    when comparing to websites as well that test laptops

    anyway thank you sooo much for what
    u already wrote
    it helped me a lot!!!!
    this is a great site with great people
    thanks ;-)
     
  6. DarkSilver

    DarkSilver MSI Afterburner

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    LOL. How did I show you? XD!
    Well, if you want the full guide, I can lead you to.
    Did you CPU throttle? I have a sense that it might be throttle, that's why you said your gaming is a LAG. Last time, when I watch youtube videos about AS 6920G gaming and they have a good performance but then mine was like damn slow. Lately, I found out it is because of CPU throttling.

    To test CPU throttling, download CPU-Z or other monitoring tools.
    Check your CPU-Z, see the CPU core speed(it should be 209X.X).
    Play some games(left 4 dead and team fortress 2 are recommended because they are CPU intensive) for at least 30minutes(1hour the best).
    Then check the CPU-Z for the CPU core speed again. If it is lowered(about half). This is a throttle problem.

    I need to confirm your laptop status/condition before proceed to further tweaking/overclock/fixes.
    If it is throttle problems, I have a FIX for it(T8100 can fix it permanently).
    If it is not, then, I would proceed to overclocking guide with undervolted CPU.
    I have 0.925V for my CPU and 590/455/1350 GPU N GF 9500M GS. Both CPU and GPU share same heatsink if not mistaken. Which mean if CPU release more heat to the heatsink, GPU would not able to release high amount of heat to the heatsink(because the heatsink heat absorption capacity reached its peak). So, the GPU temperature is higher. The max temperature for my GPU(overclocked) is only 72C because my CPU release less heat than usual. Thus, the GPU can release high amount of heat to the heatsink. Hence, I get a low temperature for my overclocked GPU.
     
  7. NikinVarant

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    kk i gonna do the thing with cpu-z and then tell ya
    but wouldnt my cpu run slowwer if i would undervolt my cpu?
     
  8. NikinVarant

    NikinVarant Newbie

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    ohh i just looked at cpu-z and found out that my core speed already changes even when not playing a game between 209X.x and 1196.6 and the mutliplyer changes at the same time from x10.5 to x6.0
    thats weird
     
  9. DarkSilver

    DarkSilver MSI Afterburner

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    HAHAHAHAH!
    As expected, it is a CPU throttling case.
    Since you have the same specification as I do, you can use my special FIX,
    this link(read it carefully), http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=393073
    Well, this is BEST tweak available currently for normal user. Advance users maybe changing the BIOS(Flashing personal BIOS and it is DAMN dangerous 1 false can cause motherboard to death).
     
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  11. TehSuigi

    TehSuigi Notebook Virtuoso

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    DarkSilver, hold off there. If the core clock drops when not playing a game, that's just Intel's SpeedStep doing its thing - reducing clock speed when not needed.
    It's when the throttle speed drops that you're experiencing issues.
    Use RMClock to diagnose those issues.

    70 degrees on the CPU is actually quite good - start worrying when it gets into the 80s.
    MXM-II slots can take MXM-I and MXM-II cards, not MXM-III.

    Undervolting is different than underclocking - you're forcing your CPU to use less voltage at the same speeds. When done properly, this won't have any effect on your stability, and will reduce temperatures and increase battery life. Check out the Undervolting Guide for instructions.

    A clean install means using a regular Windows Vista DVD and installing from that instead of using the Acer eRecovery DVDs. It can fix things, but it will wipe out most, if not all, customizations done by Acer.
     
  12. DarkSilver

    DarkSilver MSI Afterburner

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    There are 2 images you provided. One is THROTTLED state and One is NON-THROTTLED state.
    You need a restart/reboot to confirm your CPU Core Speed initially.
    Because not only games may affect the CPU Core Speed. It is actually temperature. The TM 1 of AS 6920G has set too low. TM 1 is a temperature sensor for CPU. It would throttle/slow the CPU if it sense the CPU is too hot. This can avoid CPU from burning up. However, Acer has set the TM value too LOW!!!!!!!!! About 57.5C, the CPU would throttle, this temperature is WAY too low and considered f**king safe. So, go to my special tricks/tweaks topic for the FIX. Thanks. Please report your problem there. I lazy to check several threads at once.
     
  13. TehSuigi

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    AHEM.
    Don't confuse the guy - CPU-Z shows core speed, not throttle. And like I said, if it's downclocking when he's NOT gaming, it's normal - that's Intel's SpeedStep feature working.
     
  14. DarkSilver

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    Yea. I know it might be the EIST has been enable. So, the Core Speed would drop down to lower the Voltage usage(reduce battery usage which is dumbed when plug in AC).
     
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    My bad. I should just tell him to use RMclock to check. LOL. Maybe you guide him now. I am going to school soon.
     
  16. TehSuigi

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    Pointing him in the direction of your guide is enough - if he needs more help, he can post.
     
  17. sgogeta4

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    Search the forum for VLite. There is a great step-by-step guide on how to do an automated clean install with updates/patches already incorporated into any version of Vista.