Alienware 17R1 GTX 1080!

Sadly I would be of less help, software is a huge blank for me

@valuxin has been dabbling in this type of work for some time now, maybe he can shed some light and point you in the right direction?

 

@bennyg

 

@EepoSaurus
I can help you with modding the drivers. Just make a screen of 1080's Dev ID in Device Manager and I'll try to mod the infs and assist you with installation

 

Figured you might have a plan of attack his issue

 

Ok here it is.


Here is a link to the drivers that came on the cd. warning the file is large.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pyMRo1zvds4qMenHKO99hDyRcr23lO7q?usp=sharing

 

So im trying to put a grx1060 in my 17xr4... i have the 8 beeps. I have installed drivers from woodzstack and have the 240w psu 120hz screen.. what am i doing wrong.. also this happens when i try to disable load legacy option rom...

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What version of GTX 1060 are you using and has there been a confirmed working precedent?

@valuxin ping you just in case you don't have the thread watched

 

Not to sure buddy its from woodzstack

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@woodzstack

 

I'm stuck trying to get the nvidia drivers to install and recognize the card. as soon s they install the screen turns black and stays black. I've tried 9 different versions at this point. all failures. If anyone can help I'd really appreciate it. The 1080 is ready to go just can't install drivers successfully.

 

valuxin is a good guy, he'll be back Hes been modding the m4600 for some time now

Im not sure of others that can do this on this forum otherwise I would ping them.

 

This upgrade seems really great so @thegh0sts @SMGJohn @bennyg @dzpliu @Danishblunt

 

@EepoSaurus
PMed you with my modified drivers.

@Wetpretzel2
This means, that your vBIOS doesn't have GOP for UEFI driver to function. So that's why you need to use Load Legacy ROMs option - it doesn't affect performance actually, even if you have UEFI Windows installation.

 

Many people have this issue, it's caused by the vBIOS. I'm not sure how you would be able to fix it on your notebook, but there exists a vBIOS that fixes the issue for clevo users, you might give that one a try. I personally don't have it so I don't know where to get it, also crossflashing on pascal is already a pain as far as I know but shouldn't be a problem since if u brick the card you can reflash with your BIOS programmer, so you might want to ask @Prema or @Eurocom Support about it, I know that Eurocom has a working vBIOS, not sure about Prema, but I think he very likely has something unless he was busy doing something awesome again

 

I'd love to get some vbios help from @Prema but he has never responded to me when i've messaged him. Can't blame him I'm sure he gets lots of messages. @valuxin has done it! He got some modded drivers to me. They still black screen when I install them but I just made sure and waited 10 mins and forced a restart and bam they work.


The problem is now that the drivers work but the card can not be properly powered because the only vbios that works is the clevo 1080 190wTDP version. I attempted to use @Coolane tool to adjust it down but unfortunately it does not allow a boot after flashing a modded version and just gives me 8 beeps.

I do however think it is just the TDP that is causing the issue because it does not fail but more jutters and stalls in firestrike but in a less intensive test like opengl in cinebench it will complete with no issues. I am going to contact @Coolane and see if he can help.

 

Keep a window of GPUz up to see what the clock/power behavior is like, post a screenshot

 

The thing is when you revert back to the original BIOS and install the driver, the card will work perfecly, only via HDMI but it will work perfecly, there is something going on with the video signal which is supposed to go though the eDP port and instead is somehow only works on an external port. So far I only know that a custom vBIOS can fix this, and I know that Bennyg and Eurocom have fixed this (they had both a 1070 however). You can do the test urself on an external monitor if you'd like.

 

I have OSD up and when i run firestrike the clock and memory speeds go to stock or slightly above but it will not show proper utilization. The card is power throttling because the min TDP is 190w on this vbios.

The drivers are installed and displaying to the internal screen. I do not believe there to be an issue with the edp connection just an isue with initial driver installation. The card now functions like a normal card would and is registered by the system and my applications but I believe it to be power throttling in benchmarks because the drivers do not fail it just stutters and hangs.

 

Highly doubt it, when @aaronne had a 150TDP vBIOS on it the card would underperform about 25% away from 100% while updating it to 200W would give it 100% performance again. I highly doubt the 10W would cause your card to act like it does, I think this is somehting related to a SMC chip disliking some settings your current vBIOS has. Pascal has so many new hidden stuff that it's a complete headache to work with.

Most users actually fix their issue by crossflashing to a different version, sadly pascal has way more things going on than the previous generations and it's being very annoying. So the best you could do is get a vBIOS that will basicially fix your problems.

NVIDIAS idea of crypting the pascal BIOS is downright stupid. People cannot fix broken pascal cards that refuse to run stable.

 

I dont know which card you are referring to but what i mean is that this card would usually have 150w TDP in this form factor. I think that because the card asks for 190w at full clocks the 17r1 can not do that. I want to lower the TDP to 135 to 150.

 

Ah I think I get it now. The port itself can give the card 200W but the EC might actually limit it. You might want to check out if there are any EC firmwares that allows the port to give the card up to 200W. You really don't want to limit the 1080 to 150W, otherwise you might as well get a 1070, since you'll nerf it around the same performance as a 1070.

 

I sent a message to @Prema. Here's hoping he responds. Short of that I been getting help from @valuxin. He's been a huge help. No break throughs yet but I did find a second clevo vbios that works and I am hoping for lightning to strike. Thanks for the input guys.

 

As far as vbios guys there are a couple more on Tech Inferno but im stupid tired and cant recall there names at the moment. Sorry T.T

 

Sup ?

Oh hey, just started my day and I am helping this guy already.

I have already asked if the system is detecting the 1060, because it seems like it is not detecting it in the bios, he's getting beeps when he starts so just need to help him troubleshoot.

He told me he has 120Hz panel, but yet he is on Legacy. So I am also confused, can be on legacy mode for boot with the 120hz panel. Was the M17X-R4's stock bios or something different than AW17, am I missing something here ?

Still I know it works on Optimus so will have to go that route. Which means ignoring dedicated mode, and forget disabling legacy mode.

 

I've been able to modify the TDP and it still stutters. Ive been able to get drivers to install thanks to valuxin. I guess its down to a vbios issue. Ive hit a wall. If anyone has any pull with prema help me out here.

 

@EepoSaurus Try to have a talk with Klem from T|I, you can see his activity in Svl7 thread for 980M vBIOS Idk whether he can do anything or not depends as we know about Pascal.

This laptop is locked down when it comes to EC + It's Dell, And this machine is made in 2013 with 780M in mind where MXM 3.0b's real TDP mattered due to the 7970M still being a thing for 680M. But later since we don't have competition. 980M came, rocketing upto 200W. Glad that many machines are handling the higher spec'd beast (BUT again how will they handle when the 980M demands more ? like 148W even at 1.0v). Imho this machine can only handle MXM power until ~150W peak for sustained loads. The MXM slot of 200W+ rating is not happening here, It's the 870DM (~250W, 6700K/7700K platform) or the 77xZM (~200W, 4790K/5775C). Well it's not worth the risk honestly, due to the lack of proper sBIOS/EC locks, not just unlocked menus & Mobo cannot handle that much also PCH due to heat radiation & massive load, raising the TDP is one game and dumping all that heat off efficiently is what matters. Clevo 1080 SLI can take only 480W peak with stock BIOS and EC, AW18 max ~400, this laptop perhaps at 300 tops.

 

Klem!!! That's the one I was trying to recall lol, last I saw he was still pretty active

Some people run the 1070 @ 150w so we know its capable of that much. 170w may be the limit on system without supplementary power.

 

Not only those, as far as I can tell even my P157SM can do those 200W out of the port. So yeah, I suspected the same as you, the EC might limit the output of the card, which is a problem here. OP needs a "native" 150TDP vBIOS in order to make the card run somewhat, still will get nerfed to GTX 1070 levels of performance but will run without the lagging.

The notebook was made in 2014 and had a GTX 880m, which means it does at least provide 150W. I don't know if @Aarone made a backup of his 150TDP vBIOS, which you could try out and see if it works with your GTX 1080, but again, it will get nerfed to 1070 levels, so I really don't know if it isn't just better to sell the 1080 and get a 1070 instead.

 

He already has a 1070, 1080 is for SCIENCE!

I wonder if providing supplementary power would allow for full functionality as well (via 6 pin)

 

My 1070 gets a graphics score of 17600 in firestrike at 115w. I dont know why you think 150w isnt enough for a 1080. The cards have different potentials. Ive only tried 1 version of the msi 1080 bios and i know there are at least 2 others so i will find them and hopefully get it to post.

 

I think most think of the MSI 1070 which the ebay listing for states 150w unless of course your on the Eurocom variant which is 115w and lastly of course if you had set for 115w tdp yourself.

Just my assumption on the train of thought though, cant speak for him.

 

because aarone did the test (before 150TDP = GTX 1070 like performance, After prema 200W TDP = full performance)
150W:


200W:



because notebookcheck says it:

source

And because a guy who has this 150TDP nonsense:
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13478497

Even if you have same clockspeeds on a 150W card and a 200W card, pascal will somehow nerf the 150W card for unknown reasons, I think this is something related a SMC chip inside the silicon that regulates something to make the card underperform:


We can't fix this crap because NVIDIA decided to crypt their pascal BIOS so unless we somehow break the crypt we won't be able to fix this problem.

So to sum everything up:
150W is won't be enough to get full 1080 performance and will make it more like a moderatly overclocked 1070. If Nvidia would stop being such idiots, we might actually have already found people who could make a 150W card run at full performance with tweaks on the SMC or whatever is causing this, but due to Nvidia wanting to stop users to OC their card, they rather want to control the limit themselves and make sure noone can get more performance out of the cards than NVIDIA wants them do. It's a big joke.

 

This is 115w TDP 1070.

 

See? U're outperforming a 'underTDP'ed' GTX 1080. Could this be fixed? Yes, by who? NVIDIA only.

year after year I hate NVIDIA more and more for this garbage they keep doing.

 

In the NBC link it states that the Max Q 1080 should be around 90-110w, I would think it would perform better around 150-170w but I suppose we would find out if he can get the 1080 working correctly.

 

I dont disagree with you. Nvidia keeps a stranglehold on the things we have bought and own. They really need to let up.

 

I realized that a part of the issue that i was having was because of a faulty x brace. I repurposed mine from a 1070 i had laying around and it put extra stress on the die so that it would act strangly. When the heatsink was tighted down it would not boot properly. So i am waiting on the brace. I believe i have the vbios thing locked down thanks to prema and all i need are some modded drivers and i will be able to say definetly whether this upgrade is viable.

 

Very exciting!

What about the donor PC? Does it boot at all without the 1080?

 

I only tried one other 1080 in its place and it does not boot but i believe the 1080 to be faulty.

 

I only ask since it would be a shame to have essentially a full PC w/o GPU to be useless, considering the price though sometimes the cost of upgrading is just going to be high regardless.

In any case good luck on the modding! We're all watching

 

I haven't take a look into this topic!

This is great!, hope you can get it fully working...

 

Why you did not get the 1080 Magnus from Zotac?, I belive is easy to make the Zotac card working that the Asus...

Just saying...

 

have you thought about taking the heat pipes from a lets say evo 212 and bend them? it might be cheaper to just buy take apart aftermarket and mod vs custom but I do have to say bravo brother quite a feat a 1080 in a r1

 

The en1080k probably has a large external 8 pin jumper like the 980 verson did. So it would be very hard to fit into place. I took a chance on the deskmini because it was the most like a 85x105 card.

Heat pipes are complicated. They are not solid metal and have an intricate capillary system inside. Bending them is very difficult especially if they have already been flattened. Also bending to fit the r1 requires tremendous trail and error. The msi 1080 i have is oriented in a way that makes no sense in the r1 chassis. I had to demolish a chassis and removed upwards of a 1/2 lb of aluminum. A standard configuration is much better and already supported.

 

well I have had to make a couple of custom heatsink/heat pipe for a friend, and from what I understand they are only filled with deionized water because it helps conduct the heat, anyways if you did like I did all I had to do was get a evo 212 a blow torch and a pipe bender(already had one I useto be a plumber) torch the crap out of the heat pipe until it gets glowing red(empty the deionized water first or your going to make a steam bomb) then bend it with a pipe bender and a vice, the copper they use for the heat pipes is either type M or L witch above I believe its 350 (easily to achieve with a torch) and it becomes very plyable, but at the same time the one I did was for a custom 4 cpu pcb desktop

 

The water inside is a part of the wicking structure. if you burst the pipe the pipe ceases to function as intended. it works by vaporizing the fluid at a given temperature range and it naturally rises to a cooler spot and condenses but only works in a vertical orientation without a wicking material. That is a standard large heatpipe. The kind in our laptops and in cpu heat sinks have either sintered copper powered water or a fine copper mesh inside which allow the pipes to work in a different orientation than straight up and down by giving the water a latice to travel back to the point of heat on otherwise it would just heat up one end and transfer the heat in gas form to the other cooler end and condense into fluid there and not do anything after while the hot side got hotter. If you took a heat pipe and emptied the water than the heat pipe is very inefficient now because air is an extremely poor conductor of heat. You would have been better served by using solid copper in your custom heat sink.

 

I only ment temp until you formed it to the shape you wanted it, then refill and stick a cap on it

 

The pipe still requires a vacuum be created by heating one end and waiting for the the gas to rise and then capping it off. otherwise the pipe will not work properly as the air inside would not allow as efficient heat transfer.

I actually just bought heat pipes direct from a maker of heat pipes. These come close and made to length and can be bent without heat using a pipe bender and flattened with a press. I can get them for like 4 bucks each. its just a hassle to try to make the original 1080 work. this second one is a better option.

 

After looking at LinusTechTips's video on the ASRock GTX 1080 deskmini, it appears that ASRock's 1080 MXM module does not have a supplementary power connector after he disassembles the desktop and removes the 1080. Or am I just not looking at it correctly?

 

It does have a connector its just unused. I have a picture of the bare card on this thread.