M17x R3 485m Nvidia Solution Discussion

no one will come for mine :/ Did i need to ask them for replace it too or they will call me?

What is the latest nvidia driver without checking 3D compatibility plz?

 

i got an email from dell about my r3 saying i would have a technician come to my house sometime in april and swap out my system board. if i don't hear from them in two weeks or so I'll call them up. Again, perfect opportunity to swap out my 460m i think. miss 3d already. still, 485 is a monster.

typing this on my 3d alienware monitor

by the way, how do you get the fan to run consistently using that program? i can't find any fan options?

oh yeah, after all this removing of my heatsink and vga card, getting really good at applying thermal paste and pads. max temp with overclock is 61 degrees... that's cool. found how to manual set fan speed with hwinfo32. can you set the fan to run at various rpms dependant on temps using this program? would be nice.

 

But did you do big oc or a little one vbecause with mine, I can't oc more than 690/ 1625 :/
on the other forum, they give me an modified bios with 1.03V for more oc but I' won,t try it soon right now.

 

temps aren't the problem i don't think. a voltage increase would probably help, but guess how eager i am to flash my bios (on my only working card)? I'm OCing around 675/1600.

 

so if it was 3 beeps before that sounds like something else has changed, hard to figure why changing the Dev id could cause something so severe, sounds more like a total hardware fail of the card which is vastly different from 3 beeps

BIOS Beep Codes

do you get 8 beeps with no card in there ?

copied from NVNeptunes link


I installed the 195.81 Notebook driver together with the 195.81 stereo driver on my Dell XPS M1730.
But I still get the message "This laptop's panel is not qualified for 3D Vision" when I try to enter the 3D-Setup-Wizzard.
I know that the panel will never work with the Nvidia-shutter-glasses, but the simple anaglyph mode was ever working fine.
But since 191.03 I get this stupid message.

 

I try 181.22 but panel control doesn't show up after restarting :/

 

did you run the 3D install for that driver then run the discovery wizard

 

i get 8 beeps with the 460m installed, with it installed and the lcd display unplugged, with it removed, and removed with the lcd display removed. i'm sure someone could reflash the 460m if they have an sli notebook. other than that, its a no-go.

 

Nice job guys, so no 3d yet eh? Can you guys be specific on what heat sink you guys used? Also where are the videos? I'd like to see some youtube vids of the r3 running with the 485m on some vantage benchmarks, games with fraps running, etc. if possible. Thanks.

 

I'd be more than happy to help you, but I guess you don't live in France ?

 

don't live in france, no. and will hang on to my card for now for when dell comes to replace my board then maybe i can get a replacement card. if they won't do it, then i may be mailing a package overseas...

anyone have any ideas?

 

play stupid and get a warranty repair mate, they are not that smart


my system won't boot and I had bsods for 2 days before saying my GPU was overheating..........ahem, big company and you are a loyal customer

 

If you want to pay for shipping and paste/pads I'll do a blind flash for you, my system now has 60hz/6970m and I also have the original vBios for the 460m as my rig originally came with 120hz/460m. I live in Utah.

 

i'm going to stick my kneck out here (chop away)

3 beeps going to 8 beeps indicates to me 2 different things

also if 8 beeps is how it is then at the very outside you might get away with a desktop system with that fancy adaptor to plug the 460m into to flash it

personally i'd just go for the warranty repair and plead the 5th lol

 

hey all you .inf modding masters, my 485M dose not come in for another few weeks. I would like to ask, (since I still have a 460M) the new drivers (270.51) for the 460M... what do I have to mod in the .inf to allow it to install the drivers for the 460M, (yes the 460, not the 485)? What line, copy/replace what? I have found a modded .inf for the 267.76 driver, got that to work (great driver), and have played 'round with the .inf for the 270.+but cant get it to work >_< any help here would be hot. Thanxxx in advance.

oh, I'm only asking here so I dont have to start another thread

 

it was always 8 beeps, not 3. its a video card problem. dell is sending a tech friday to replace the card and my defective system board.

still no 3d joy with this card. would be perfect if we can find a solution here.

 

I looked through the 3d dll and exe hex
All I can say is, good luck!

Only chance for support is official
(and again, good luck with that)

 

Nvidia forum sure are taking there time for giving any answer let alone a solution for it.

 

And assuming the M18x info is correct, there won't be a 485M card with this model...

This is ridiculous. $800 for a card I can't even fully utilize.

 

so im guessing the 485 isnt going so well to becoming "stable" in the r3 i take it?

 

its stable, card runs fine, plays games very, very well, i like getting 20k scores with a single card. Its just not compatible with the 3d display. Unless I decide to sell my R3 and get the M18X, I'll keep the 485 installed.

 

awesome! thanks for the tell, ill end up probably doing the same, getting an r3 and buying a 485.

actually i was meaning to ask where can you buy a 485, bec/ i remember looking online a few days ago and not being able to find any "for sale"

 

www.mythlogiccorp.com

they'll sell you one

think rjtech will be cheaper though

 

rjtech.com

 

awesome! thanks.

 

I want to get another retention clip and heatsink for my 460M...

It's kind of difficult showing off my $3,000 3D laptop ... Without 3D

It takes about 3 minutes to swap the card out without having to swap a heatsink, soo......

Anyone got a spare heatsink/retention bracket

 

just call up dell and tell them the retention bracket is broken on ur 460m, see if they can send you a new one, they may have you swap the whole card out but who cares, just send them the card back w.o the retention bracket

 

I already thought of that, but trying to explain why it broke is a different story haha

 

like i have said before, i just think the 485m is too new for a company like dell to adopt at this early stage, i am also 100% confident it will happen, could be wrong just my opinion, the bios already supports it to a point but nvidia and the oem's really need to get things straightened out...........apart from what i said above there must be licencing issues here also to do with 3D, i am 100% sure of that also, if you connect a new model 3DTV to you laptop the chances are nvidia stereoscopic will not work until the TV vendor pays a licence - a bit like divx, so instead of Dell paying for a global licence for 3D it is on a per card basis, that is bad news for us........just thinking out loud but i don't think i'm too far away

 

Not exactly true, AndrewF@Dell has already stated multiple times, if there is a 3DTV out that isn't on NVIDIA's list to PM him the EDID and it will get added to the next driver release. I doubt they are getting money from vendors for that.

They need to remove the restriction on this!

Their older drivers weren't restricted, now they are. RAWR.

 

ridiculous is a word I used many moons ago

 

That makes no sense. The 485M was out far earlier than the 6970M, and the 6970M is supported. Methinks its the other issues u mentioned

I'm curious. Why not just get a 6970M if you want similar performance if 3d doesn't work?

 

Dell just callme for replacing the motherboard, can someone inform me if they will replace just the motherboard or a new laptop will come??

 

see your point..............but why restrict, it can only be a licence issue but perhaps we are seeing the tail end of a policy that may be abandoned - there's no extra revenue to be made so just remove the restriction and save a lot of messing around and pi$$ing off customers

you know if I went out and spent $1500 on a 3D tv i'd be pretty pissed if nvidia didn't support it, Andrew needs to read this thread and do something about this crap before we all turn to AMD/ATI

i'm not going to set up an argument here, but define "was out" ? what dates are you using, the 485m is like 2 months out there.....in my books that is early, the 6970 didn't just jump into an R3 like 3 weeks ago, my guess would be that Dell have been proving and testing the ATI card for many months before general release - we have no idea the same applies to the 485m but i doubt it otherwise it would be in there as it's the best choice for 3D, ask yourself this

if the 485m had been available with 3D and 120hz screen but not the IGP - what would you have chosen ?

This high end machine would have come with the 485m if it had been through the testing grounds and got approved by Dell for installation, what other reason could there be for not fitting it and going with a weaker choice.....seriously

 

Well first ppl might like nvidia better the ati. Next you can't use the 6970 on a R3 120mhz laptop so the 485 is the best one that will work on it. Now there is another reason ppl want the 485 but it is rather controversial, dare I say, IMO, its better the the 6970.

 

the 485m is the most powerful laptop GPU available today - that is fact
the 6970 comes in a close second

if both these cards had been available on the R3 then the choices would have been easier

3D 120hz shorter battery
or
no 3D or 120hz but longer battery

as it turns out the 460m = lower performance plus the above

 

ATI card does not support 120hz panel, if you switch in an ATI card, you get beeps of death

I'm sure a lot of people will, I won't...Majority of issues I have had are with ATI cards and their drivers, at least when NVIDIA breaks something their beta drivers are out quicker than ATI's, in my experience anyway.

 

The AMD card supports the 120hz panel, the BIOS on the other hand doesn't Although if we could find someone who knew how to hack/write H20 bios it could be made to work.

 

I'll believe it when I see it

 

Yes, right now nvidia better than ati but members from p4g have overclocked their Ati and on 3Dmark11, with HD6970m bios flashed, they got 3580, I got with oc 3146... but i received a bios for my gtx485m able to reach 1.03V for more OCing but i will test another day.

 

let me know when you do the 485m bios flash darcoder. eager to attempt that as well, but want someone else to go first this time... i have the file as well, checked it with nibitor, its the same size as my stock 485 file, its probably just fine. my advice, backup the stock yourself and have nvflash ready on a bootable usb stick, then use nvflash for windows to flash the 1.03v bios. i'd flash now, however, i put my 160m back inside for a dell technician to come and repair it so will have to wait a day or two.

 

I just ordered the 485 today and had a question for those that have it. What driver should I use and do I need to modify it at all? Thanks.

 

i post it a few page ago ( how modifying inf) & use the 270.51. it,s the best driver for more gaming stability ( no freezing)


I will flash the card after my exams because i need a running computer xD and doesn,t have time to replace if goes wrong. I will do it maybe the 21.

 

as a matter of pure interest guys, what effect does moving the display plug to the other socket have ? are they both identicle, kinda weird having 2x on a single display laptop, can't think of one single use for it. Do the 3D and none 3D use them


or I seem to remember seeing a laptop somewhere that did actually have 2x panels if I remember correctly

 

that's a good question. I have no idea. My display plug is stuck actually, one of the 2 screws holding it down will turn but won't come up to unlock it. I can pull one side up and unplug the display, but can't use the other. when my dell repair tech comes on monday to replace my gpu and system board I'll let him get it loose.

WAIT: actually, I know what the other display input is for, its for the SiBeam Wireless HD that still isn't available yet, says so in the dell service manual.

 

oh really, interesting, I wonder if they are identical, and I'm beginning to understand something else, the reason I think that SiBeam is not available yet is because it won't support 3D and the reason it won't support 3D is because of the nvidia driver restrictions, I'm going to speculate that there are many discussions going on right now as to how to make all these technologies work together. imagine if SiBeam had been available right now but not in 3D on a 3D machine, I think all this is going to get sorted soon with Nvidia dropping the restrictions they have imposed in their recent drivers, I have mentioned this many times before - this whole issue comes down to nvidia trying to monopolise on licences for their 3D vision but all it has done is create problems with everyone concerned, yes I know someone posted that nvidia are blaming the PC vendors for requesting the lock down, when I read that it just didn't fit and now I believe it to be complete BS

Think of the R3 3D machine and what we know about it and also what we have discovered, it is obvious that Dell had to jump through hoops to even get the 3D working on the internal panel now throw SiBeam and IGP into the mix and what I see is Nvidia = bollx, yes we know the IGP doesn't work and we all accept that...................but why ?????? was it just too complicated to implement on the 3D R3 because of Nvidias restrictions, does the IGP support 120hz ? or does the 120hz panel support 60hz ? well I know the answer to the second question - of course it does, it gets 2x 60hz video when producing 3D

 

they should at least allow people to get the sibeam option with the 6970 by now. not sure what the hold up is. I will say this, if we dno't get a solution for 3d soon, I'm likely to just sell my M17x and Macbook Air and get the M18x with Dual 485s or 6970s... May be selling my 485m in the near future. if we get the 3d working with this card, I'm hanging onto my M17X. I just can't see myselt going back to the 460m at this point, not even for 3D. The 485 would do so much better for 3d gaming.

 

because you can see what's going on here and I'll stick my kneck out and say this firmly sits with Nvidias restrictions

From the moment the R3 hit the market we have been hit with constant confusion - if you get this you can't have that or if you want that then ..........lol I'm repeating another post but we all get the idea...............Nvidia

It can't continue like this, the R3 has two graphics cards in it at all times but if you want 3D the IGP doesn't work because of all the crap we had to do to get it working on the internal panel, these companies can do better than this

 

I still think a changing the device id on the 485m to a 460m would probably do the trick. if i had a way of safely flashing and reflashing borked cards I would be doing more experimenting... lol, maybe if i get an m18x I can use the extra gpu slot. of coruse, if i got an m18x, the 17 would be on sale.

 

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