M17x R4 and WX 7100 running on 120Hz eDP 3D display, IT WORKS!

I don't know what VDA is lol.

I didn't have to do anything special to get the card working. It was plug and play.

WX7100 with 120hz EDP
RX 480 with LVDS

Nothing I recalled that I had to tweak anything.

 

You got it working under SG mode with the 60hz display iirc.

This is to get it working under eDP with 120hz display.

VDA = Virtual display adapter

 

No .. you didn't read what I typed. I'll just make it clearer. Using one or the other bios , screen needed is as follow. No VDA needed.

WX7100 BIOS = EDP SCREEN
RX 480 BIOS = LVDS SCREEN

I never had to use VDA.

 

I never got it to work either way lol

 

Here is the proof from almost a year ago. Running without VDA. Read what I wrote.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-hopeful-of-keeping-mxm-3-0b-alive-thread.795048/page-232

Scores

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-hopeful-of-keeping-mxm-3-0b-alive-thread.795048/page-234

 

Yes I remember that, however we are 1 and 1 for methodology of implementing the GPU. We have yours which is the typical installation method, and we have SMGJohn stating the opposite and requiring the use of VDA to allow the system to POST.

Then I got my card and well it was DOA I guess, system couldnt even detect that the card was there at all.

 

There should be only one method lol , the method doesn't require you to buy anything extra lol.

 

I dont think John wanted to buy a VDA without having need for one.

Only John can confirm that I guess, I dont have the card anymore, moved on to more proven grounds.

 

So what has happened is that I checked my new panel that just arrived after a month shipping with a tractor and a donkey from China.
WX 7100 vBIOS are both LVDS and eDP, the Rx 480 vBIOS are only LVDS as I checked just now.
However you are incorrect when it came to plug and play, yes with the Samsung panels its just plug and play because the way they work is 60Hz out the box and 120Hz when you install the drivers so yeah of course it would work that I also checked even with a nVidia card this is the case.

However if you use other panels that are NOT Samsung, they are most likely 120Hz out the box so when you install it and boot its 120Hz even in BIOS/UEFI settings which means you do require the VDA otherwise you must hack the EDID on the panel to force it to boot 60Hz instead of 120Hz.
That is why when I tried that first 120Hz panel that was wrong size it would not boot no matter what I did, because it was trying to run 120Hz straight from get go UEFI all the way to Windows.
But the Samsung has two modes, 60Hz and 120Hz and it seems it switches to 120Hz when it detects the video card, to confirm this I booted with the Samsung display with only iGPU enabled and it worked but you wont get 120Hz even with drivers installed, because Intel HD 4000 does not seem to want to use it.

 

There seems to be a literal truckload of conflicting information in this thread, so I'll add to it with this. Ran dual 8950M in (edit: Bridgeless XDMA) CFX with a Clevo P377SMA ages back, w/ 120HZ eDP. Can't remember the panel but its the stock one all the Clevo's used back in the day. At the current moment, both cards are dead (cores crushed) and CPU as well (same issue)

 

No the information is correct you are confusing things here, eDP panels that run at 60Hz yes will work with AMD, we all know this since 2011, however 120Hz did not work, it did not work in 2012 and it does not work today without the use of VDA, it is a different matter however if the said 120Hz display runs 60Hz out the box and only runs 120Hz after you toggle it on manually.
Do you see my point? Your Clevo, your Alienware, they all worked with AMD and eDP because the panel you used were running 60Hz at UEFI boot sequence but only when you entered Windows and either the drivers or you turned on the 120Hz option.

For panels that do not have a 60Hz option a VDA is necessary to boot AMD Radeon cards successfully because a VDA uses DisplayPort and forces internal monitor to run at its own output settings hence 60Hz. Computers in general will always prioritise DisplayPort and even if it does not, you can 90% of the time set it to do so in UEFI or BIOS if it is that ancient.

Also a forum search reveals you only got the HD 8950M CF to work in September of 2018, according anyway to what you wrote.
So no information is incorrect here, Samsung panels have 60Hz options alongside 120Hz that is why they work out the box however this is something neither you, me or anyone knew until now because there virtually NO information about this.

And its because of this, I am no longer going to bother dealing with high performance "laptops" anymore, I had enough there too much of a money pit, today I spent 12 hours just trying to figure everything from what you said so that I was bulletproof I never left a single thing out, 12 hours is a lot of time just to make sure something works because I had to reinstall Windows more than 3 times over because the Grinchtel drivers kept destroying my audio drivers.
Which just proves my point, one problem, leads to another problem, there never a day without issues in the high performance laptop life because at the end of the day, it was never meant to work with parts from 8 years into the future because in laptops very little is built to standard like it is on a desktop.

 

The information, in this thread, was scattered and convoluted with no real conclusion until your post above. I never said anything was incorrect, just that there where a lot of conflicting reports, which is true.
September 2018 was ages ago yes to me, over half a year ago. I parted ways with both cards shortly after making that thread but still have the machine.
I'm thankful that you spent the time to make the thread, conclusion to all.

 

Let me make this clear from my experience and methods. Maybe what i have described is not clear enough.

The panels I used were two different panels, two panel for each laptop. Each laptop has two panel i tested with and either one of them had no option of 60hz or 120hz. They were a 60hz LVDS and a 120hz edp panels.

I had a M17x R4 and had one 60hz and one 120hz screen ( two screen total)
I had an Alienware 17 R 1 and had one 60hz and one 120hz screen ( two screen total)

When i ran a WX 7100 on both machine, I used correspondence 120Hz screen(edp connection)
When i ran a WX 7100 flashed with RX 480 VBIOS on both machine, i used the 60Hz LVDS screen.

Basically I swap screens depending on the wx7100 vbios.

The monitors i had used to test the WX7100 were two different ones and none had an option for changing the Hz for the card to work. I didn't have to use an adapter or anything.

Basically it's this simple.

To run a WX 7100 VBIOS you need to have a 120hz screen.
To run a WX 7100 with RX 480 VBIOS, you need to have the 60hz screen.

If @SMGJohn had to use a VDA , it's because he had one monitor that can dual switch from 60hz to 120hz ? His method would required for you to use VDA. If I understand his method , he is using a screen that can dual boot to either 60hz or 120hz. I am still confused on his method.

For a 120hz screen the connection is edp and the card can plug and play with a wx7100 vbios.

For a vbios of RX 480 to run , you need to have LVDS connection as it will not work on a EDP connection type aka 120hz screen.

Whatever the screen he is using , that can enable switching from 60hz to 120 Hz and vice versa is puzzling. Is it a special connector and special lcd?

The method i use it to basically just to have the screen you want to use depending what VBIOS you want to run the WX 7100 in.

 

It seems as though you might have read it backwards and reversed some details.

He believes you to be using a panel that operates at 60hz during post and can toggle to 120hz after initialization and thus operates as desired.

He does not have the same panel and only operates at 120hz during post which he believes the WX7100 cant output during POST, thus the need for a VDA to spoof the system and allow POST.

 

Because there virtually no way to overclock this GPU and the laptop seemingly too heavy weighting in at 5,4kg fully equipped making it more of a pain to carry around when needed than it is worth it, I discontinue this project, for those who want to use WX 7100 in the future its a good alternative to GTX 1060, however I do suggest that the HP GTX 1070 is VASTLY superior choice and costs similar with vastly more features to boot and overclock friendly whereas the WX 7100 cannot be overclocked or underclocked making it pointless for gaming because its power starved.

Because there is no Rx 480 vBIOS with eDP that works on the WX 7100 there is no point in getting this GPU for gaming, there is a limit to how much one can love AMD but when it comes down to it, at least nVidia provides their ****ing software features without locking them to specific GPU's like AMD does, big thank you AMD for this practise, it needs to stop! Its been going on since 2009.

 

At least nvidia drivers work /shrug
Just sayin

 

Problem is not the driver but how AMD Is locking features away by card basis, they been crippling mobile GPU's for software features since 2009 for no real reasons, when FPS limiter was a thing it was not for certain cards only the 2xx and 3xx and it took them a year before it came to 7xxx series.
Then enhanced sync was introduced, again this was completely absent from mobile GPU's which would have had good use of this compared to the desktop cards.

Its just stupid when nVidia does not lock such features away in their drivers, even their worst mobile GPU's had it, while arguably nVidia is not "as good" in the software department anymore its better to have something than to not have anything.

 

I'm waiting for mxm Navi or future gpu as navigating Nvidia control panel is abysmal, neither side can seem to get it right, it's more a choice of what youre willing to do I deal with.

 

I agree, for desktop use AMD is amazing, RX 5700 XT is great GPU and 5900 will probably be even more so.
Its just a shame that AMD seems to not give a piss about laptops, its basically APU's that exist in them apart from the very few one off "gaming" oriented laptops with Vega 56, Rx 580 and RX 5500M.
I hope at least that next year is the year AMD does something about mid and high end laptop market or their APU's get 4 times stronger, they need something at least.
For now I will enjoy my ThinkPad with AMD APU, amazing performance on this little beast once you do 35W unlock but it runs way too hot for that in a 12 inch chassis imao.
AMD also had the Radeon RX Vega M GH in the Kaby Lake G SoC similar perf to a 1060 but those have not come for a single laptop only their slower brother GL which is between a 1050 and 1050 Ti.

 

5700XT is great but drivers hamper it, and I'm considering returning mine despite its great performance over all. AMD Gave a crap about laptops years ago, but then Nvidia just started killing them way back with the 7xx series, since then they've been the budget choice. Their APUs are nice, but only in territory of MX150 range, ironically their best laptop chip to date is probably the Vega 20 in the MBP 2018/9 if you don't consider the WX7100 or Custom Acer Vega chip.

I'd agree and say AMD's control panel is better, however there is denying that NV just has better drivers.

 

In raw FPS sure, but again the control panel drags it down.

When altering any setting you have to restart the application for it to take effect and evaluate if you are satisfied. With how slow it is, it takes significantly longer than AMD's solution which can be done on the fly without restarting the application (i.e. games)

I value my time, so when AMD comes out with a 1070 or greater GPU I'll be testing it for my system provided it doesnt cost me a months pay.

 

Anything specific? Never ran into issues that didn't take me more than a couple mins to fix, surely your time isn't that valuable if you can afford to play games ​

 

It's because I have such little time that I expect to not have to troubleshoot or have need to restart games after drudging through the control panel..

 

AMD and driver issues is not really much of a big deal on desktop, its more of an issue in mobile section specially with the first gen GCN, I had quite an ordeal with the 7970M back in the day for example some drivers worked outstanding, others completely broke Civilization V for me and then there was Premiere Pro, again some drivers stable as Roman building but others were catastrophic for render issues.

When I had the GTX 1060 and GTX 1070 there were still driver issues and keep in mind the 1070 was a desktop card that I had, its just that some drivers will always be worse off than others, I get that RX 5700 launch drivers were pretty shoddy and the fact that they ruined Vega drivers when the RX 5700 launched.

But lets remember when nVidia, used to short out your display, because of drivers, yeah that is probably the most infamous one but nVidia driver issues are as common as AMD just look in their forum.

Its just how it is with PC ownership, neither are particularly perfect in stability section, the only games I have ever had driver issues with on the Vega 56 is STALKER Lost Alpha and that game is about as nVidia optimised as it can get to the point were AMD's HBM2 memory is just too fast for the shader engine when its loaded into mem, LOL so it crashes, I have to downclock my memory just to be able to play for an hour.

But with nVidia I have had issues with GTA IV acting oddly and there were times when the 1060 refused to wake up from sleep which was pretty annoying, I had that issue with mobile AMD GPU's before.
Again neither are perfect, RX 5700 bad launch but RTX had poor launch too with broken drivers across the board.

 

You could probably check the ToS for that answer.

 

Hi John, sorry to bother i found dell m17x R4 in my country with 3630qm and 16 gigs of ram but without battery and video card. I wanted to buy wx7100 from taobao would it worth it? I think it has lvds display it will work in sp mode only. So will i lose only 15 % of performance? Or it will lag in game becouse of that? Edp samsung display cost 80 dollars in my country i dont see a reason to pay 100 dollars for 15% performance increase. And if i leave 7100 in default bios will perform allright or i have to overclock it?

 

WX 7100 is clearly the best performance you will get on it through LVDS but Radeon Pro cards cannot be overclocked unless you use RX 480 vBIOS, the 980M is much cheaper and can be overclocked.
It wont get near WX7100 but it wont be as far back though either.
Its up to you, I get the 980M and maybe save up for an RX 5700M laptop in the near future.

WX 7100 uses a lot less power too compared to 980M so it will run cooler your HDMI audio wont work which kind of sucks.
Whichever you prefer price wise its up to you, also the Dell 980M cards tend to die fairly easily so avoid buying an used one.

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I found this one https://m.intl.taobao.com/detail/de....list.15&id=582678418884&item_id=582678418884. But i dont know if its good, 980 is the same price or more.

 

Jesus, that is cheap yeah hands down would go for WX 7100 in this case over the 980M
I think that card is used but WX7100 cards are extremely well built, in fact I have drawn 180W through mine in some tests and nothing bad happened.
980M drawing that much would explode or just die in a few days.

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Wanted to ask what bios is most performing for wx 7100 if for instance i decided go with edp and peg? I see 1200mhz fore core and 1750 for memory, is it max? And how much watt this bios at default? I mean will it maintain this 1200 core speed or it will fall to 800 mhz in graphic intensive games because of bios tdp restrictions.

 

The regular WX 7100 vBIOS is best if you use the card with eDP as its they only one that will work but the RX480 vBIOS in my BIOS collection is the best one for LVDS if you just plan on gaming.

TDP is locked to 80W sadly but with the RX480 vBIOS you can use the 50% power slider in Radeon settings to increase it to 150W which it needs to maintain its base clock.

WX 7100 vBIOS wont let you overclock sadly so you are stuck with whatever settings the card has but its faster on eDP then RX480 is on LVDS with an overclock by around 5 to 7%


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