M17x-R2 - out with HD5870

I'm holding you to that.

 

@FXi..

I had a 7900GT go out in my M1710 a few years back, and after *2 months* of cancelled orders every other week they finally told me they'd never be getting a 7900GT or 7950GTX back in stock to sell me. One manager told me they had 350 left but they couldn't release one for out-of-warranty repair. With that laptop, it died only a month out of warranty. I finally found and bought a replacement 7950GTX off ebay myself, and for a few bucks cheaper than Dell would have sold it anyway.

My M1730 had Dual 8800GTX cards and, as with many M1730 owners, they eventually died out from running too hot due to poor design. From what I read, they actually lasted longer than most, and I was still under warranty this time (not making that mistake again!) but again, Dell informed me there were no 8800GTX nor 9800GT/X cards to replace with in that laptop. They eventually caved and sent me an M17x as a replacement because they had no M1730 systems to send out as replacements, either.

Now here I am with an M17x that I have to manually lock the CPU and GPU clocks at full throttle to prevent audio dropouts and static, as well as stuttering and long pauses in most games due to the 280Ms downclocking mid-game (not even from heat, highest I get is 68 degrees on either card). It cuts down to 2D clocks during cut scenes and loading screens because it thinks 3D clocks aren't needed.

Stoopid NVidia.

 

that's funny. Since it's all been hearsay and 0 marketing.

 

Which is why over the past couple years nvidia's cards have been pathetic. Lets hope that the 480m is better (probably not) but we can hope.

 

I don't want to "hope" with a laptop I rely on for both work and fun, which is why I *really* want to go ATI at this point, but like I said already upgrading from the 280Ms to 4870x2 doesn't make economic sense (280Ms were what I was given, they wouldn't let me even pay for the difference to put the ATIs in like I wanted because of prior issues with the NVidias). This is why I was really hoping the R1 would take the 5870s because that I could legitimize with the update to DX11.

 

How do you know its 0 marketing,stop talking out of your butt,you don't make any sense.Say that after the 1st week of June if it doesn't happen.

BTW, how old are you..

 

Dell caters to the general populous. We are just a very tiny portion of that population and even fewer have connections with legitimate sources. Thus it is hearsay.

 

marketing? LOL
Last I checked notebookreview.com forums and joker are not employed by Dell.

when you can provide solid evidence of any sort of CF5870 marking officially by dell I'll revoke my statement. Do you just pull random stuff out of the air and claim it as factual?

 

If it doesn't happen by that time ,ill supply the torch tar and feathers for you, lol

 

Thanks. I won't have any $$ left after I purchase my laptop.

 

Almost every person commenting about them will get them. Way more than 20. Then take in account the people outside of this forum. That's thousands (well maybe not that many).

 

I could, but i wont.Where i get my info is not important,the info itself is.
I don't crap where i eat and at that note, You still didn't answer how old you are?

 

I can do that too

cf5870s will be out tomorrow. I cant say how I know or where I got my information only that it's because of marketing bs that they waited this long. Also, my age is irrelevant since again, its not important.

Assuming it's still only a $300 option I agree, it will be bought in mass quantities.

 

Age is listed in profiles. His is 22. He makes good points but his way of wording them makes him sound arrogant.

If they are out tomorrow that will be hilarious.

 

Lol. It's from seeing every person with an account take complete and total guesses on release dates and then shoving them down our throats as if they have an inside source. Also, this forums senior members seem to have less knowledge than they should on some of their facts. Or maybe it's just because I'm cranky all the time. Who knows?

I'm not so arrogant when people have proof, evidence or factual information to back up their arguments. It's easy to hide behind 'i cant tell you or won't tell you, but you should trust me anyway'

 

There's been a few people here that nailed the next release date for when Dell has it scheduled. The problem is even Dell isn't 100% sure about it. I've been told to keep checking back because the date keeps changing. If anyone claims they know fore SURE why it's not released yet, they are lying unless they work at AW in Miami.

 

I have found consulting the entrails and examining the tea leaves to be just as reliable as predictions from undisclosed sources.

I have spent the last hour knee deep fish guts whilst drinking a few cups of tea and I now have it on good authority that the 5870's will come out at 06:04 EST US May 21st 2010.

Good day.

 

The best answer for "when is it going to be released?" is the classic id games one: "when it's done". Let's just hope they don't pull a duke nukem forever on us.

 

Keep checking the Dell Site...it will eventually show up there lol

 

winning the argument over this forum is like gettin a gold medal in special olympics...

 

Even if we have had the system for over a year ? im just getting sick of DPC latency do you think they would still consider giving replacements for R1 users ?

 

is it just me who have noticed that www.allpowerful.com is down :3
maybe they are prepping a countdown (like before) or somthing.

 

Not down for me. You might have a little network issue going on.

 

haha I'm not sure if everyone here who wants one has the budget to get one.

Not only up for me, nothing's even changed...

 

To further speculate about the release date...
I think it will be released during the E3, so that would mean half june.
It would again be the most powerfull setup (so they will not make any false advertisement). And Maybe even to wait and see how the 480M will perform so they will not be outclassed by Clevo (some weeks after the 5870CF release)...

@ Lozz, in marketing, timing is everything, If the timing is off, you'll sell less then you could be selling (they will not loose money but just make less). So my guess is, and maybe some other people here, tend to think it's only marketing...

 

True that, Dutchy. In marketing, everything is significant.

 

well in my opinion again, if they release the CF 5870 during 480 release they will sell less. thats for ATI of course not Dell

by the way i dont know if you checked it but the 480 in sli will be ddr3. thats from the clevo future configuration

 

There's a big difference comming from members with established reputations of hitting the nail on exact release dates and some random person giving me a 2 week berth.

You need product placement and advertising before you can get timing right. Timing without these is not marketing. Besides, Timing as a marketing tool in the computer industry is nearly non-existiant, you either shove out what you have ASAP or wait too long bogged down in supply and QC control and you're competition already has the next generation of product.

 

I will only say this; Isn't E3 enough advertising exposure?

If your already king of the hill... you do not need to rush, you can plan and watch the competition/market and act accordingly. And I think DELL/AW is doing just this...

But then again we can discuss this over and over, but after all it's all fried air. Because there is nobody who is going to tell all the ins and outs.

 

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

Ah, but the marketplace is fluid and consumers fickle, so to stay the king of the hill, you do need to proact to the market, not react. True, Dell has breathing room to "get it right", but they can't simply sit around waiting for the competition.

Look what happened with Nvidia; they reigned for a while, did absolutely no R&D or innovation, now they lost out to ATI...

 

i wouldn't say no R&D about the only thing they did do was buy ageia physx and let them do the R&D to incorporate it into their cards and push it as the main reason for a card

 

how many monitors can i hook with with cf 5870 eyefinity??? is 3 the max? or is there a way i can hook up multiple in one output?

if i ran 3 24inch 1080ps, will modernwarfare 2 at MAX setting lag?

 

which in itself was not a bad idea, offloading the CPU from physics calculations, in apps that are coded for PhysX, would have taking gaming to another level. But that was not sufficient to maintain market lead.

 

yeah it wasn't a bad idea but where they went wrong is insisting that nvidia was the only one allowed to use the ageia Physx engine which effectively killed it. If it had been open for every body to use it or allowed ati graphic card owner to use it with an add in card; ageia physx would be thriving and very possible strengthened nvidia's position. making the path nvidia's on better and more prominent for games.

someone did come out and write some coding that allowed the use of the physx engine from nvidia card on an ati equiped pc but then nvidia turned around and made ati owners not capable of using the nvidia's card as a physx card if ati card was detected
and quite possibly tracked down the person who wrote the code and sued them for all they were worth because after that one attempt nothing else came out

 

Definitely, there's no escape from the horrific latency of IWnet.

I can't wait for a new COD to come out.

 

Elkay - go with the ATI solution. I one can tell you the vast number of 280M's out there doing nothing of what your experiencing, but that won't help you sleep at night really. But I guarantee you the problem you are having would be happening to a billion Clevo models if it were a 280M problem. I guarantee you, it's the nature of the Nvidia chipset - which most will tell you for years in the desktop world, are true junk. However, I don't think you'll do worse with a 4870 or 5870, and you'll feel a lot better for sure.

As for the 1710, I didn't know you had run out of warranty. That's always a bad thing. Overclocked systems and letting the warranty run out are two things that if you aren't truly prepared for the consequences, can lead to bad feelings. I can't fix that for you, but that my warranty repairs went flawlessly, and when the first 7900 went bad 2 months after the first fix, they replaced it with a 7950 (not much diff really) that has held up for over a year since without issue. So if you'd had a warranty - life would have turned out differently.

I think you'd be happy with either NV or ATI GPU's as long as you were on an Intel chipset. Get the warranty this time around - seriously. And I truly hope your experience is better than your last several

 

As for when they are coming out - honestly after the problems that have plagued some iterations of the M17, do you want them to rush it? No! I'm gaining confidence in the delay not losing it. I'll probably wait for the 480's but that's not guaranteed. What I do know is that I want a solid product worthy of the $ spent, that won't have us rueing our purchase a few months down the road because of some unfound bug in testing.

 

every motherboard nvidia chipset I've had experience with ranged from minor issues to major and i mean major problems plus nvidia never supports them beyond six months it seems like.

 

Agreed. Nvidia could license Aegia PhysX and bring in additional revenue.

 

When did you get you m17x ? have you tried getting it replaced with a R2?

 

The Dell US site says the dual 4870's will delay ship date 11 days. They must be running out of cards.

 

I don't see why they would 'delay' the cards if they were trying to get rid of them. But then again, this is Dell we're talking about

 

A friend of mine ordered M17x with CF 5870 last week. I said, c'mon man, CF 5870 is not available! Told him that his order will be cancelled sooner or later. Or maybe not if it's gonna be released really soon.

 

By the way, ordered via company by calling Dell, not online.

 

Well, they do have official part numbers now for the crossfire setup. So, it will be interesting to see how his order progresses.

 

keep us posted on that one lol

 

I asked him how much he paid for upgrade from Single to Dual 5870. Bloody 750 euro! Ordered not in euro zone so I said recalculate price please, maybe you made mistake. Still 750. Sounds unreal. Dell told me 2 weeks ago it's gonna be 486 euro.

 

That does seem pricey. I would expect $500, maybe $600 tops, not nearly $1K!

 

I just phoned Dell tech support and they qouted me €228 on a second (right) card 4870 incl. CF cable. So the second (right) card HD5870 couldn't be much more (I dont know if this includes the heatsink and ven).