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    M17x-r3 Overclocking (...sort of)

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by kunekaden, Mar 6, 2011.

  1. ECKS

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    This is excellent, bud.

    Thanks! Also, which map did you test it with?
     
  2. DaneGRClose

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    The very last one, I can't remember what it's called but the one where you wipe out Kerrigan. Can't remember what map it was on the multi-player but both tests were in the same match that was quite long in similar situations for 3 mins per test using fraps and hotkey overclocking with Afterburner.
     
  3. ECKS

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    Sounds good mang. Anything that hovers around 30fps constantly for ULTRA is positive--very positive!

    I can't wait.

    Thx again!
     
  4. MJOzolins

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    Unfortunatly the problem is the card needs more voltage to go any higher and continue to be stable. Its a shame the voltage is locked because the card runs quite cool and seems like it could go quite a bit further with upped voltage. Oh well maybe someone will find a way around this eventually. The only thing that would concern me is upping the ram too high as it seems the ram on tbe bottom side of the card isnt cooled very well.
     
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    Anyone with the 6970M was able to OC yet?

    MSI afterburner does not allow me to change anything with the 6970M
     
  6. vviz

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    getting mine either tomorrow or day after (per fedex' and dell's pages respectively). have a feeling we would have to wait for msi to update afterburner to support 6970.
     
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    It supports 6970 but I guess not the mobile version of it.
     
  8. XeroSniper

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    Has anyone else tried any other stable settings for their 1600 hyperX's?
     
  9. K-nabeesse

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    I use rivatuner. My OC is at 800/1000
     
  10. ahmadmud

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    can u tell me what is your vantage gpu score with those clocks?
     
  11. Mackan

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    Has this been confirmed? That the turbo power settings on these Sandy Bridge CPUs are locked at hardware level?
     
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    I have the 2720QM with the HyperX and it runs much faster on the XMP Profile 2. its a 9-9-9-27 profile. might want to change that.
     
  13. pmassey31545

    pmassey31545 Whats the mission sir?

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    I know it's been asked-but anyone OC the 6970 yet? And if so how?
     
  14. DaneGRClose

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    I know Inap and Speedy have "overclocked" theirs a bit, they did it by flashing the vBios as I don't think any of the software has/had the support for the 6970.
     
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    Rivatuner supports 6970M.
     
  16. ECKS

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    Has the program already been updated?

    Anyone know if any of the other progs been updated to support 6970M yet? (e.g. MSI Afterburner, ATI Tool, etc.)?
     
  17. pmassey31545

    pmassey31545 Whats the mission sir?

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    Yeah. I...don't know where to start. I did it once on my R2, but I always just ran it stock and deleted the tutorial I had. Ideas???
     
  18. K-nabeesse

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    I overclock my 6970M with rivatuner for test the frequences and then i flash my card with atiflash
     
  19. StZu

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    Can anyone do a DIY on the 6970 overclocking?
    Also Im getting a little over 12k on my Vantage score (3dmark) is that what its supposed to be with my config (in my sig)
     
  20. kunekaden

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    peoples are getting 14-15k with 2630QM + 6970, so I'd say you're on the low end.
     
  21. Typecast

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    Kune, Do you think the 2630QM is enough?
     
  22. kunekaden

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    That's a very subjective question.
    I would love to have a 2920XM, but the fact that my 2630 keeps pace with last gen XM (at stock) keeps me more than happy.
     
  23. ECKS

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    So while I was at Frys, I had a chance to boot up the MSI GT680R, which had the 2630QM. Boot up time was pretty slow, above 30secs for sure. My dino desktop with Athlon XP 3200+ boots up in about half the time... So what's the deal with that?

    Please advise.

    TYIA!
     
  24. pmassey31545

    pmassey31545 Whats the mission sir?

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    Bet it's running XP ain't it? Put XP on one of these beasts and it'll boot a lot faster too. PLus, if you have any computer that boots in 15seconds-KEEP IT!!! Cause it must be pretty darn fast. Run this. This will tell you exactly how fast your sytem boots.
     
  25. ECKS

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    Uhm...the MSI is a newer computer...It has Win7 HP like our R3s... My desktop has Win7 Ultimate, and it's nearly 6 years old...
     
  26. pmassey31545

    pmassey31545 Whats the mission sir?

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    Run Boottimer and post some screenies to prove it!!! Proof is in the pudding dude. You AIN'T loading Win 7 on a 6 year old computer in 15 seconds I promise.
     
  27. ECKS

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    The point is, the MSI GT680R took kinda long to load Win7. My laptop seemed even faster, and it's 3years+ old. Okay my desktop maybe not 15, but surely seemed faster than the MSI at Frys :) Does that have anything to do with single core clocks, which during the BIOS/Win7 loadup is only single core non-turbo on the MSI also?
     
  28. StZu

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    So what can be the issue with mine? i did a clean install..
    (getting 12k vantage score on my config)

    some facts - my ssd is set to ATA profile in the bios, cant change to anything else because im getting a blue screen

    XMP proile changes to default everytime i reboot.

    the cpu i set to 10019

    P.S please help guys, Im getting depressed :)
     
  29. pmassey31545

    pmassey31545 Whats the mission sir?

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    Not sure.
    Getting the same thing. 12246 in vantage. 17331 3DMark 06. Don't know but seems low to me too. Nothing special about them yet that I see. My R2 was about 300 less on each.
     
  30. kunekaden

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    that is not much better than GTX 460M + i7-2630QM
    ~8% @06
    ~20% @vantage
     
  31. Irb Digital

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    I just posted about this in the benchmark thread. But I'm getting the same results as u and stzu. 12.3k for vantage and I have the same 2820/6970 config. Does this not seem low? Maybe there's some unknown switching going on that we don't know about. I'm always skeptical of what safeties or protection Dell puts in there computers, to minimize warranty work, especially after the M15x throttling issue.

    It's my GPU score that seems to be lower then others (around 10k iirc). Possibly something running in the background hogging resources?
     
  32. StZu

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    are the people who are getting 14k overall scores overclocking?
     
  33. pmassey31545

    pmassey31545 Whats the mission sir?

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    It does seem low to me 'specially after seeing peeps posting 13500 and 14K's. BIG difference. Hope tp see an overclocking tutorial soon.
     
  34. ECKS

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    Me too. I will be powering it on for the 2nd time in a few minutes. :)
     
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    Kune, Do you always run you ram on 1600Mhz?
     
  36. its.kvn

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    not sure why you guys got low score in 3d06..I got 19182 in 3d06 and 12076 in 3Dvantage..

    For Kune, how do you really max out the hyperx performance? I set the frequency to 1600 and xmp profile 1, but cpu z still shows my memory clock as 1333 (667 each)

    Did I do anything wrong?Or did I miss something?Or I should set it to xmp profile 2 instead?
     

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    xmp1
    save/exit
    1600 override
    save/exit

    Maybe it's not possible with A03, but that's what was up with A01
     
  38. ECKS

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    Can I do anything with the stock ram? It's 1333 4gb fyi, and I have 2720qm. Or am I stuck on 1333, which is so far kind of a bummer. I really wish it was a bit better at "multi-tasking", cuz I was trying to open Windows Updates (from the system tray) while I was running an AVG scan. Also felt the same slowness at a different time, when I was extracting a large file through 7zip, and was trying to open AlienFX. It also seems like everytime I try to open up the AlienFX program, it takes forever to open... Any suggestions?
     
  39. LVNeptune

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    Nothing, the program just sucks at loading...It's slow in general...

    You will be bottle-necked on your HD if you don't have a fast SSD. HD's have pretty much been bottlenecking PC's for awhile now.
     
  40. ECKS

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    So all the stuff I'm talking about is normal or something? Even with the new school CPU and RAM? Damn, that's a bummer.

    Can you give me an example of a couple of progs to try out (simulataneously) to demonstrate how good "new school" 4gb ram is? I wanna see what the diff between this and my old 1gb ram is :) (Don't say SC2 :p)
     
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    Can't really sorry...

    I have NEVER noticed a difference in memory clocks. The main bottleneck in PC's for the last 5 years has been HDD's. When you launch anything especially multiple things simultaneously it has to search around the whole HD and the head moves back and forth as quick as possible to gather up all the data.
     
  42. ECKS

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    I suppose you're right. I had 1gb for sooo many years. Only recently (less than 6months ago), my gf's brother gave me some leftover ram, and that brought my desktop up to 2gb. No diff at all lolz. And now, I have this 4gb monster on my desk. It really feels the same as my other 1gb dinolappy which is running Win7 Ultimate and runs very smoothly.

    Meh. Good thing I didn't choose to upgrade ram on my order :)
     
  43. T2050

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    I reacon something like this to test your memory latency.

    Tweakers.fr

    And then go to work at flashing the epprom of the SPD on the RAM.

    SPDTool: Read, Edit and Flash your Memory's SPD

    If no one else give this a try, I will when I get mine.


    Both software needs updating, but you get my drift.
     
  44. pmassey31545

    pmassey31545 Whats the mission sir?

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    Photoshop. Or decoding some video. (CPU-but RAM too some) FX has been slow to load on ALL my M17x computers-just the way it tis.
     
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    I have pushed my base clock to 10520Hz, which boosted my clock speed over 100MHz above the stock 2.3GHz.

    This gives me just over 2.4GHz or if you wanna call it 2416MHz :D

    And a tad over 1400 MHz on my stock 16GB :D


    I going to tweak the memory next. The BIOS has a bunch of timings sets, I am going to edit them ;)
     
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    pmassey31545 Whats the mission sir?

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    Check THIS!!! 5150Joker linked me to it and the first 3D 06 I ran with some OCing was 20568. Didn't have much time to play, but it definetely helped. Awesome.
     
  47. kunekaden

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    I'll assume that was Brian's 6970 OC guide though, which is here
     
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    This is my score with the stock 16GB - 1333MHz RAM shipped with my M17x R3 and i7-2820QM

    Appears that my stock slow RAM at slightly under stock speeds beats, your RAM overclocked in everything hands down, except for your RAM read and latency speed.

    [​IMG]

    After opening the machine I can verify I have this RAM:

    Brand = Micron

    Model # MT16JSF51264HZ-1G4D1 1105

    Type = 4GB 2RX8 PC3-10600S-9-10-FP

    Chip markings = MT IBD77 / D9LGK


    If anyone can verify what chips their HyperX uses, might need to look under the heatspreader?
    Then if I can get a SPD dump of the HyperX, I will attempt to modifiy the Stock Micron RAM to be seen as and run as DDR3-1600 with XMP profiles.
     
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  49. ECKS

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    Can you suggest by what increments I should up the cpu clock speeds when trying to OC? I might try it out tomorrow on this "beater machine."
     
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    I found it started to weird things slighty over 104MHz which is 10400KHz in the M17x R3 BIOS.

    Goto Advanced --> Performance Options Menu --> OverClocking Feature set to enable

    And then change New Frequency in 10KHz to anywhere 10200 - 10300 and you should be safe.
    Alway choose "Apply New Bus Clock" Immediately. That way if it goes wrong, it does not hold the setting after forced power off (if you have to do one). If ok then choose "Permanently (reboot), hit F10 on your way out to save changes.
    Allow ~+14KHz to round off your overclock.
    Hey it is not much, but better than nothing :)

    Something I have noticed about the memory. I am trying to find ways to overclock this stuff, but it does not want to go past 1333 with the selectors. Although I have found you can obtain tight timing set of CAS=7 @ 1067 by setting:

    Memory Override Support = Enabled
    Memory voltage = 1.5v
    Memory Frequency = 1067
    DIMM Profile (XMP) = Default


    Update:
    Progress made with tighter timings using the 1333 selection down to CAS 8 :D

    You must go 8-6-6 in the BIOS, otherwise if both the 6's are set to 8 instead, they will both will jump up to 10.

    Memory Override Support = Enabled
    Memory voltage = 1.5v
    Memory Frequency = 1333
    DIMM Profile (XMP) = Custom setting
    tCL = 8
    tRCD = 6
    tRP = 6

    [​IMG]

    Then change tRAS from 20 to 19, this will give you an even key set main timings of 8-8-8-24 :D
    Results below, scores are higher than the last above screenshot (in my post two up and in dookies quote) at 9-9-9-24:

    [​IMG]


    More Tweaking:
    Have got to, and final for now, stable CAS 8-7-7-22
    Breaking 17k on writes, and over 20k on copy, and good latency of 57ns
    Settings for to obtain these timings are as follows, enjoy and have fun if you Micron RAM as stock. You may get further with 8GB instead of 16GB that I am currently runnning.

    New Frequency in 10KHz set to 10032 for a steady 100.1MHz base clock

    Memory Override Support = Enabled
    Memory voltage = 1.55v
    Memory Frequency = 1333
    DIMM Profile (XMP) = Custom setting
    tCL = 8
    tRCD = 5
    tRP = 5
    tRAS = 17

    [​IMG]
     
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