MSI 1070 in Alienware 17 R1 Ranger SUCCESS!!!!

I mean for worst scare scenario yes.

Does streaming put OCCT-type loads on your CPU?

 

OCCT puts a bit more, but that's for Haswell (AVX abuse). I've crossed 50W at sub-1v 3.5GHz on my chip just by streaming & gaming. At 1.0854v and 3.8GHz I've pulled 70W while streaming and playing Dark Souls 2. Even though Haswell draws more power, 4.1GHz+ at 1.15v or less should break the 68W barrier with ease. Skylake... may be a different story there. I think it's one of the more frugal power sipping CPU architectures I've seen.

 

Not if it's badly binned...

 

doesn't that directly have to do with voltage? I mean to say that at voltage X and clockspeed X, skylake generally pulls less than Haswell, Broadwell, Ivy bridge and Bloom/Lynn/Clarks fields & gulftown. Not sure about Sandy Bridge.

 

I just stressed the 3920XM in my M18x R2 at 41-41-41-41, topped out at 63W package, 57W core, so that explains why I never had issues in the M17x R4 running 41 x 4 with the 3940XM.

 

no way that was underload. Not possible.or the reading is wrong or it's not a full load.

 

well thats a great CPU then. If I had that I would crack a new record easily with it. Usually they hit 70W+ at 4.0Ghz

I would wager, that you could keep giving it more current and it would keep giving you more gains without even needing to increase the clock speed.

Haswell are really weird.

 

Nice to see older machine can be upgraded
@Mobius 1 any thoughts on this http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussion-thread.794965/page-328#post-10390333

 

What OS are you running?
The reason I ask is I seem to remember Win 10 having a feature that will install driver only, I may be getting this confused with something else though.
Do you think installing the display driver from device manager would make a difference? I know there is a way to install just the bare display driver without any NVidia attachments and without using the NVidia installer, I just cant quite remember how

 

First off, Great work, I am very interested in your results!

I have had problems with Nvidia Experience causing major performance problems on my R3 while actived. Even just having the FPS counter on caused me to loose 1000 points in my firestrike tests.

I was able to just disable them in the menu without having to uninstall anything. I don't know if this would help your situation at all though.

Good luck!

 

So... back to square 1. After a good 3 hours of stable gaming the machine shut down completely then rebooted... after rebooting the previous random smaller gpu "driver style crashing" returned regardless of the nvidia tray running or not. I'm wondering if possibly the system is drawing more than the 330w powersupply can handle. I'll try to do some power testing on Sunday.

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Yeah I seriously doubt a 330W is being overcurrent tripped. I can run my 870dm off one, thats two 980Ms and a desktop CPU and it has only tripped and cut out when I tried OCing above 1200 on the GPUs. I had a power meter on my p170em when I had a XM in it and never saw over 190W from the wall even when I OCed the CPU and GPU to absolute maximum.

Whether the card can be adequately supplied with enough juice through the slot is another thing... HWinfo might be able to monitor GPU power draw might be worth seeing what it spikes at and whether that coincides with crashes

 

When I had the AW17 it would never go over 240w, even though I had a 330w PSU.

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lol seriously?

looks like the 330w cancer that was in the aw18 trickled down to the aw17

 

Oh yeah I'm serious. I used a kill a watt to measure the power draw from the wall and nothing even came close to 240 let alone passing it.

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in my previous P751ZM with 4790K and 980M i had to overclock everything in that system with balls to the wall / pedal to the medal in order to break 300W. at that point though, the system would crash far more likely due to clock/voltage instabilities rather than the 330W psu giving out on me

as for the OP, i highly doubt its the psu giving as well, especially since that would translate into an instant shutoff without any bsod, driver crash, or freeze beforehand. the machine just switches off, thats it! so the fault has to lie somewhere else...

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Alienware 17 with an MX chip would draw more significantly & the AW17 c, @Papusan the OC Master knows this (his 4930MX drew 113W alone iirc)


And @loafer987 , I was mentioning the same thing couple of posts back, check for the power draw for the card But I doubt that's the issue, could be a vBIOS thing.. Maybe @EurocomTechspert can shed some light with this MSI 1070N chipset TDP, As it ships with the MSI 16L13 barebone.

 

i wonder if it's because it's not being able to draw enough power? the CPU is 57w and the GPU goes up to max 150w so you're already close the PSU not being able to provide enough power from a 240W PSU and if the issue still exists with a 330w PSU then there's an input limiter somewhere on the motherboard.

 

I can't believe I haven't seen this thread! Have totally neglected this Alienware 17 board since the new one was created... What a mess this forum has become. Anyway, I'm very impressed with this and am happy to see that you were able to upgrade the Ranger. Miss mine (and the Viking). Good times.

 

yeah you can dremel that space to make it fit for the 1070... or send me the heatsink I will mod it for you.

 

im assuming gtx 1060 should be compatible as well?

 

yes

 

Yeah it's good to just put a piece of therma pad in there , should be fine.

Do you have any vbioses for these cards Prema ?

@loafer987 when you said a few times in this thread your going to use AC5 Adhesive.. please tell em you didn't use that on the card anywhere ?
It's fine to use it to glue two piece of heatsink together, but it's conductive and capacitive and would blow a card if it was short circuiting it somewhere. I'm starting to get cases of people blowing thier graphics cards by using CLU and special liquid metals and things like this.
Just thought to add the word of caution.

 

oh gawd, liquid metal on the GPU, nevah! already bad enough on the CPU side with warped heatsinks....

 

@woodzstack Dont worry, the thermal adhesive was to attach copper plates to the VRM portion of the heatsink itself. I only use ICD on the gpus as the CLU scares me even on the cpu. The modifications I had to make to the heatsink left the center of the vrm area empty. I was going to thermal glue .5mm copper shim plates to the heatsink to bridge the gap. i added the photos of the new heatsink to my onedrive album. I also just recieved my new parts machine (another R1) so I have more options for testing and comparing. The new pics are at the very bottom of the album.

 

what kind of heatsink do you used ( kepler , maxwell ?)

 

The heatsink from the 780m. Strangely enough I just picked up a spare parts machine that had an r9 290m heatsink in it and it and I noticed it would take less work to mod for the 1070. There's a copper bridge plate that hits a coil on the 1070 with the 780m heatsink but the amd one has more clearance in that spot. You still would have to dremel the middle of the power components area on both but the copper part would not have to be bent.

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i used the ones that came with the 880M or 780M's. Have to make small modification but no worries.

yeah Loafer - guess the copper shims make sense. I add copper shims all over the place when a laptop is mine for keeps. Makes a huge difference. Also fill gaps with copper, not thermal pads - the pads are an insulator, the copper has 1000W/m-k (Versus what ..5W/M-k if 1mm thick and using Fujipoly...at best)

 

still, by using copper shims ull need to add thermal paste, which diminishes that thermal conductivity greatly. otherwise u wont have good contact

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Hi i thank you for ur work....upon reading all the posts the msi gtx 1070 is not stable right ? i mean u cant game for a long period of time with msi gtx 1070.....how about the eurocomm ones they even sell a gtx 1080 rite just have to get it under EUROCOM Sky X7E2 or EUROCOM Sky X9E2
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(350)ec
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/upgrade(2,386,0)ec
So is gtx 1080 possible ?? how is ur gtx 1070 now stable ??
is the gtx 980m the last stable upgrade??
how much can a gtx 980m overclock max stable ??

 

I was having stability issues due to using the 75w heatsink. My theory is the power circuitry of the gpu is generating far more heat than the aluminum part of the heatsink could disperse. If you look at the msi heatsink that was built for this card, it has a heatpipe specifically covering the power components of the gpu. The other issue I was having with this gpu was the overall power draw was over the 240w limit of the laptop. As we know with the aw18 dell created a software limitation within the laptop that limits the power draw to 330w on the aw18 and thus 240w on the aw17. I just got my modded 330w (240w id chip) power brick back since lending it out, so I will be able to test the total power draw of the machine again and measure the total consumption under load. I believe the machine was crashing during heavy combined loads due to the laptop limiting the maximum power draw. Unfortunately I have run into other major issues with the laptop which required me buying a parts machine. Hopefully research can continue in the near future but I am waiting on this for now.

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The eurocom card will not fit the aw17r1 in any way. there are far too many mods required to make them fit. the msi 1070 and msi 1060 are the only known working cards. The zotac 1070 may also be an upgrade option but I havent found anyone willing to give it a try without knowing if it will work or not.
Also. The 1060 or 980m are the fastest "drop in" options that don't require modding the mxm socket like I have and modding the chassis of the laptop like I have. That being said the 1070 with the mods is an absolute beast. If the price gap was closer I would never recommend the 1060 or 980m again. It's just over 50% faster than my 980m was. 980ti desktop performance from a 100w mxm card blows my mind!
Also the 1060 and 1070 require the 120hz display due to the lack of older monitor support from nvidia. They no longer have the ability to run lvds laptop screens so anything 60hz from this generation or older isn't likely to work. There are rumors of the m17xr4 and others running them in Optimus mode but I have no personal experience here, this is also something I intend to test in the near future.
Anyways... long story short, if we can figure out a way around the power limits of the laptop itself, and cool the mosfets/power components of the gpu, the 1070 will be 100%. I will update here when I learn more.

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Also! If anyone here has a spare aw17 r1 motherboard that they would donate to the cause or trade for some other aw 17 parts I will be able to do more testing on a 60hz model!
I have a 4700mq, 16gb ram4x4gb, and some other random stuff to trade!

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@brajesh143 Also to add the Eurocom 1070 / Clevo 1070 is 150W and from my personal experience without any hardmods the 150W TDP heat is too much to handle for the 780M heatsink, you can forget feeding that amounts of juice to the card, It's designed for the 100W bracket while the 980M overdraws 110W+ and when you OC it will touch 140W, Cooling that massive powerhog is really hard job and OCing it more than 200MHz on core would push the card to reach 14xW+ power pull (I did mine - Check the Premav2 link in my sig with factory thermal pads but didn't cross 80C in the past, Now I got the Phobya ones due to this issue suspecting but they transfer heat from all chips causing the HS to get heated more faster, I have the U3+ Mod to handle that thank goodness, Still have to do more testing with the Phobya + OC) which would reach 150W if you can get 1500Mhz clock, So technically speaking 980M is the stable upgrade for the AW17, 1060 is good but the 15% boost, lower bus width and less VRAM is not worth at all that card, I don't know what's the TDP of this MSI 1070 MXM.

Wait ! You have one last option,
Another GPU Hard Mod like the German Forum user who managed to snag a 150W TDP Clevo 980 GTX MXM but mind it, he used a 5 pipe HS mod along with extra Aux Power supply to the GPU and an extra fan to cool the beast, forget the ODD bay and the SATA port bay opp to the GPU. In this way one can fit this 150W GPUs and feed the power to them, But too much dremelling to the machine is needed, which is a real challenge.

As of now for the sake of record - loafer987, German forum users (There's a CPU HS hardmod too), Svl7 (When he was active he modded a custom sBIOS chip onto his machine) have only did hardmodding on the AW17 Ranger successfully.

 

@loafer987 Hi mate, just a question. The paper cutout you made of the 1070, do you have a copy of it scanned in real size?

Us guys at the Dell Precision forum is trying to see if the 1070 will fit the Dell Precision M6800.

 

I actually just kept scaling and printing the picture of it until the mxm connector was the correct size then laid it on a real mxm card to show the differences.

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Wow u guys are amazing to keep the ranger alive
so for now gtx 1070 is out of equation for me
Hence my options are,
a) gtx 980 desktop variant requires modding the case and gpu slot and heat pipes...which i cant afford to experiment on as i am out of warranty on my aw17r1 gtx 765m 60hz...also the card costs 1200 dollars !!

b) gtx 980m means i have to get a
1) 100w heatsink and the card alone costs more than gtx 1060
2) 240w or 330w charger ? which one should i get ? my current one is 180w charger

c) gtx 1060 from here http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-NVIDIA-GEFORCE-GTX1060-6GB-DDR5-MXM-Video-Card/262763002468?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D79febfed58894a1fb2ac53fa9d8235c2%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D122232538397 or http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-NVIDIA-...867222?hash=item28233c9ed6:g:VyoAAOSwx2dYEtm9 ( 1st one is so cheap and 2nd one is from @woodzstack )
So for gtx 1060 will the 75w heatsink and 180 w charger be enough to run at stock...i will change both later when i can afford it and when i overclock it
since the tdp for gtx 1060 is less than 80 watts ??

Then in comparison with gtx 980m and gtx 1060 , the 1060 beats the gtx 980m both at stock by around 25% in games and if i overclock it to match a desktop gtx 1060 clocks (rest cores are the same in mobile variant), it can beat the gtx 980m by 35 % matching the gtx 980 desktop performance
This link confirms it http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia...-1080-SLI-GTX-1070-and-GTX-1060.171566.0.html

So the best choice for me to upgrade is gtx 1060 for around 700 dollars alone and u can get the performance more than gtx 980m at stock
if not gtx 980m with the heatsink and charges comes to 1100 dollars !! that too reduced performance than gtx 1060 !!
gtx 980 desktop variant costs too much around 1200 dollars and u have to mod it !!
But will the gtx 1060 work in 60 hz model of mine ??

 

so for now gtx 1070 is out of equation for me
Hence my options are,
a) gtx 980 desktop variant requires modding the case and gpu slot and heat pipes...which i cant afford to experiment on as i am out of warranty on my aw17r1 gtx 765m 60hz...also the card costs 1200 dollars !!

b) gtx 980m means i have to get a
1) 100w heatsink and the card alone costs more than gtx 1060
2) 240w or 330w charger ? which one should i get ? my current one is 180w charger

c) gtx 1060 from here http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-NVIDIA-GEFORCE-GTX1060-6GB-DDR5-MXM-Video-Card/262763002468?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D79febfed58894a1fb2ac53fa9d8235c2%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D122232538397 or http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-NVIDIA-...867222?hash=item28233c9ed6:g:VyoAAOSwx2dYEtm9 ( 1st one is so cheap and 2nd one is from @woodzstack )
So for gtx 1060 will the 75w heatsink and 180 w charger be enough to run at stock...i will change both later when i can afford it and when i overclock it
since the tdp for gtx 1060 is less than 80 watts ??

Then in comparison with gtx 980m and gtx 1060 , the 1060 beats the gtx 980m both at stock by around 25% in games and if i overclock it to match a desktop gtx 1060 clocks (rest cores are the same in mobile variant), it can beat the gtx 980m by 35 % matching the gtx 980 desktop performance
This link confirms it http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia...-1080-SLI-GTX-1070-and-GTX-1060.171566.0.html

So the best choice for me to upgrade is gtx 1060 for around 700 dollars alone and u can get the performance more than gtx 980m at stock
if not gtx 980m with the heatsink and charges comes to 1100 dollars !! that too reduced performance than gtx 1060 !!
gtx 980 desktop variant costs too much around 1200 dollars and u have to mod it !!
But will the gtx 1060 work in 60 hz model of mine ??

 

I just bought a 1060 from woodzstack and i will try that in my 17r1. A 980m should run you about 500 to 600 usd. I dont see it costing 1200 dollars. The 3 pipe heatsink will be about 60 bucks on ebay. It is super stable though. The 980m is great in the 120hz 17r1 but i am hoping the 1060 lower tdp will let me run an aggressive overclock and give me a big performance gain.

 

Lets take it to owners lounge, this thread is for 1070. I'll quote you there.

 

I am looking for the items in this thread

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...er-cpu-heatsink-heatsink-mobo-bracket.797397/

In case you don't need them from the spare machine and want to make some extra money to help you in your project.

 

I actually have spare AW17 motherboards.

 

I have those triple pipe heatsinks.. not the AMD ones, but the regular NVidia ones, just have to modify them , takes no time at all, but otherwise new, if anyone ever needs one. I have 4 left.

 

Do you happen to have a dead one where I can grab the below from

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...er-cpu-heatsink-heatsink-mobo-bracket.797397/

 

What if you have a 60hz edp screen like me? Is there still a chance?

I also can't wait for someone to do this with the 980m GT72 as there are a lot of people with that computer who would be willing to try something like this after the initial testing is done

It would be a lot of work, but the thought of it being theoretically possible would make me happy.

 

Did you have pictures of what you did to the pins for the card to fit inside the slot ?

 

I may have a dead mobo for parts in the near future. Trying to work something out with woodzstack first.

60hz is only functional if its on the edp cable. no one has tested it with the 4th gen intel graphics and 60 hz yet. it might work but it doesnt look very promising. This is on my testing list once I get another mobo.

Pictures are in the onedrive file I linked here. I used a set of "flush cutters" and just trimmed the socked to fit.

https://www.amazon.com/Xuron-410-Micro-Shear-Flush-Cutter/dp/B000IBOOWQ

 

I have a 1060 running in my AW17R1 now and it runs great on 376.19 but I'm getting some spotty performance sometimes. Mostly in the witcher 3. the card performs lower or on par with the 980m but at low voltage. clocks stay around 1690 to 1770 core and 2100 mem. I get about 45 to 60 fps with hairworks off and everything else at ultra. A vbios mod sure would be nice for these pascal cards. Once I tinker with this a bit more I am going to buy a 1070 and see if It's worth the money. The 1060 is good but without a modified bios its just a bit better than the 980m with a good overclock.

 

Is urs 60 hz display ?