*OFFICIAL* M17x Benchmark Thread - Part 3

Nice scores

 

Yup it's definitely a delicate feature. I've backed my TDP down to 76W for daily use with my bios OC at 3%. At 5% OC with stock voltage with my 940xm and TDP at 86W, I was getting hardware BSOD's in some games (e.g. BC2) so I had to back down the OC + TDP to get a good compromise without raising the voltage. Even at 76W TDP, when I run IBT for an extended period, CPU temps jump into the 90 C range but at least it doesn't break DTS. I also dropped my GPU's to 0.9v so they run even cooler. It's nice having a high performance system that isn't running hot.

Oh and congrats on the 18k DR650SE, I figured it was inevitable with TS + Cat 10.6. Hopefully 10.7 is released tomorrow and brings some improvements.

 

you must have heard me talking about you...i was getting ready to ask...wth you were...and low and behold...here you are...lol

great job!!

guess in the end...i did know what i was talking about....18k gpu and 20k + cpu.

great work!

hummmm, is hwinfo working or is your cpu only pulling 2 cores in 3dmark06?

 

Thanks and +1 to you and Joker for the 10.6 advice. 10.6 works real well for Vantage, and about the same as Dell drivers on 3DMark06.

 

Thanks Joker, and Thanks John, it's 2:15 am and I gotta be up at 7 so I'm going to crash, but I was unable to hit 18K on the GPU. That and I couldn't stop the CPU from throttling in the end of the 1st Vantage CPU test. You can see it throttle in the log. Yesterday I hit 22K+ on the CPU. I'm wondering if in the end, the 940XM will help boost my score some. I'm guessing not since the 920 is limited by thermals.

 

nope...you'll get it....you just need to play with it a bit.
hit me up tomorrow...i may have an idea or two.

 

Sounds good, will do.

 

Thanks for the log file DR650SE while running Vantage. There were a couple of times where there was a little bit of throttling with the multiplier bouncing back and forth a little between 26 and 27 but overall it was very good. Sometimes between tests the load will drop way down and that also causes the peak multiplier to drop down too. That's just SpeedStep doing its thing because the CPU is lightly loaded and is not a sign of throttling.

When the C0% / Load was hitting 80% to 90%, a Core i7-720QM or i7-820QM would be giving you zero turbo boost so the maximum multiplier would be only 12 for the 720 or 13 for the 820. Your i7-920XM is running at more than twice that speed so if anyone is wondering if buying an i7-920XM or i7-940XM CPU is money well spent I'd have to say, definitely.

Great results and no clock modulation going on. Dell has finally got their act together and built a great performing laptop.

 

Haven't been able to update score's, I'm on a real crap laptop till my M17x gets here in next few days, and its preventing me from doing too much on it without crashing. I'll do it once thats up, congrats DR on some good scores.

 

19.5k!! Well i beat my old score by 150 points with the new drivers and slightly increased overclocks.
Couldn't get anywhere near this on the 10.6's so these new drivers are pretty good performers aswell as getting rid of the flickering.
I think this is the boundary of what my 620m can do. This bsod'd shortly after the test finished but luckily i had enough time to save it

 

Thanks, I'll see if I can get more. The thing that made me think it was throttling was during the first CPU test. It will run for the first 17-18 sec or so at 3000-3100 operations per second. Then in the last 10 is where my score drops significantly. The operations suddenly drop to about 15-1600 and shoot up to 24-2500 or so. It continues to bounce back and fourth. and once it's started that, it carries into the next test. But it is only done when I get over 95* which is most of the time. Would reducing the TDP and maintaining the multiplier give it less heat and still enough juice to maintain the multi without crashing?

Well I'm off to test out the new Beta drivers. Be back in a few hours.

 

When you reduce the ThrottleStop TDP setting, that should result in less turbo boost when fully loaded and a reduced multiplier.

I'm not seeing a huge amount of CPU throttling in the log file that would cause the operations per second to drop significantly like you are seeing when testing so I'm not sure yet what's going on. Maybe if you have a watch synced up with the time on your laptop you can write down the exact time you are seeing this drop off to compare that to the log file. You might also have to log with GPU-Z at the same time to cover all bases.

Also try running a RealTemp log. It reports the individual core temperatures. I'm not sure about the 95C number being reported by HWiNFO32 so I'd like to see a second opinion. There seems to be too big of a difference in the maximum core temperature between two cores that are less than a cm away from each other. It might be sensor error or reporting error or who knows.

 

I'll definately check it tommorrow as well as the log file. Is it possible that only one core turbos up and thus causes the increase in heat? I looked at CPUID HWMonitor and I meant to get a screen shot, but I think it was similiar, there was a differance in 1,3 and 2,4. I'll check tommrrow with a variety of programs running together as well as GPU-Z

 

On another note, I raised the bar in Vantage


Vantage: P18420
GPU: 17776
CPU: 20667



When I get home I'm going to try an incorporate some dry ice into the equation in order for better cooling on the heatsinks. Unfortunately I don't have access here and I think it'll lower the temps enough to prevent any throttling and I can incorporate a 22K CPU score into the run.

 

Usually when one core gets hot, it heats up the adjacent core to a similar amount so you don't see large temperature differences between cores. It's likely just Intel's crappy sensors. They make great CPUs but have been known to cheap out on the temperature sensors they use. With bench scores like that, who cares.

 

Yea, that sounds about right. To me it just didn't make sense that there could be such a large differant when heat transfer alone would make it much closer. I agree though, it's all about the score board and how far your willing to go.

 

Nice run, those clocks are not even that high. Once you improve cooling try 915|1250.

 

I found the Core-i version of XTU, I doubt it would work with the M17x but worth a try....

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hold on there speed racer....lol
1: run real temp off to the right of the screen
2: run an aver over clock first
3: bench only vantage cpu test 1
4: open task manager and leave it on performance
5: check the temps and task manager after the run. making sure all 4 cores are maxed.
6: set a bit higher over clock and run it again

keep repeating till the throttle kicks in...then we can go from there as to what to do next.

 

Hmm, I'm unfamiliar with XTU. What exactly is it? As for the cooling, I'm running it in front of an A/C, and using cold compresses on the heatsinks with the keyboard attached only by the ribbon. Notebook shuts off when it's unplugged Maybe in a few months I'll throw dry ice on the heatsinks.

@John, I'llgive it a shot tommorrow and report back what I find.

 

Make sure you take all the necessary precautions before doing DICE

Would he a shame to hose a nice laptop lol

 

I haven't tried the new one but the old one gave us full control of the CPU and memory settings including timings. It requires bios support to work, that's why I doubt it will work.

 

i concur. no dry ice right now. your doing fine with the ac.

dice is nothing like cold wraps.... -78 degrees vs -10. and it will burn the skin off your fingers if your not careful.
i use to use it all the time, till i got my phase.

 

Quick question: I've pushed the limits of my cards on base voltages and i think i want to try flashing them to higher clocks/voltages. What is the highest "safe" voltage for these cards? Also would temps increase if overvolted even if clocks are left on stock? Thanks.

 

not sure it works, the loading screen comes up but it doesn't do anything after that.

 

same here, task manager will not let me close it, have to restart.

 

Hoho! Nice run! Keep em coming!

 

anyone in charge of updating the front page?
it seems to be in error now..lol

 

I believe Jubbing is managing the leaderboard now

Mandrake was but handed off to him

 

yes...would like to see dr650se having his day in the sun as so many of us have before him, you know.

 

Ya I know, I am top 5 in 06 with an R1! For now lol - about to get bumped town to #5 from #4

And I lost top 5 for Vantage, dam I need that 15k...

 

Here ya go!

You asked for it

This ones for you John

Took the game one step further... Tonight I finally managed to tie it all together

Vantage: P19237
GPU: 18432
CPU: 22136





And I'm spent...Calling it a night. Lost too much sleep this week

 

It is ok...that is a good nights work....lol

 

Cant wait to see your results with the 940

 

I really don't see any reason for the 940xm to do any better it any at all compared to the 920xm.....why is everyone convinced this will be the case? They both have the EXACT same core and unlocked multipliers....

 

Thank you for saying it, i mean seriously they are exactly the same if you are going to overclock either. They will both reach the same speed. The only difference is if you don't overclock it, and even then it is a difference of 133 Mhz.

 

If they were different steppings that would be one thing....but they are really the same dam chip lol

 

sorry to say...but that 133 mhz does in fact make a difference with the right user..been there and done that many times over. scores within my grasp but just couldn't get them. sort of like the 920 and the 940/950 DT and the 920 will hang with a 965/975, but will fall off just above 5ghz, while the 975/965 will will get up to 6 ghz. and between the 975 and 965...the 975 still wins in the end.... base on users who know what they are doing...

now i can finally say....
" I told you so!"
hahahah
been saying they could do 18k and lo and behold, dr650se comes through on both fronts!!
very good job indeed!!

shhh.....that 133 will make a difference in the right programs...you should know this already.....lol....now....shhhhhhhh

 

But that 133 is only a difference at stock speeds, since the 2 can be set to comparable overclocks that difference is moot. You said so yourself the 975 beats out the 965....difference there? C0 vs the improved D0 stepping

Here the 920xm and 940xm are the same stepping (unless CPU-z is tripping!)

It is also no secret that the extreme chips are binned and therefore will almost always overclock higher than the non extreme ones. The unlocked multiplier also helps prevent the chipset from being a limiting factor (my QX9300 is evidence of that haha)

Hate to argue, but these were glaring holes in your statement

 

Hmmm. Glad I didn't spend the extra ~$200 for the 940XM now. Used that extra cash to get an SSD.

 

AND you kept your warranty fully intact

I could be wrong, there may be a performance advantage to the 920xm....but as of now, I fail to see it

 

Holy Geronimo Zombie!!

What extra cooling was used here,btw?

 

sorry, not enough holes in there anywhere....lol
now if we just focus on the m17x only and no over clocking. 133 is an improvement no matter what.. ...no matter how small it is.
but most would argue that 200 bucks for this....really not an option...us hard cores who want more...will grab the 940 out of spite. to be on top. some one did that already and the 920xm came by and smash the 940xm....and that is pretty much...the user...they both have the same resources. or access to there of..lol

wonder what his 940 is going to do now....hummm.

 

I'm going to have to side with john, as already stated, since the EE processors are binned, higher clocked processors are going to be higher binned ones, which typically although certinally not always overclock more. Besides that, 133mhz on 4 cores is fantastic.

 

Well time will tell.When DR650SE post's his results from 940 we will know if there is a difference.

 

If they're the same chip, with the same stepping, they'd be putting down the same numbers at a given speed. I'm guessing the difference will be within a couple of hundred points, which is less than one frame per second in the real world.

 

Ok well I dropped the TDP slightly for the sake of the GPU's, sacrificing CPU points for GPU points. I think I hit the GPU limit. Even a 5 MHz increase in the memory would lock it up. I was only able to complete two runs at these clocks. Still earned a few points.

Vantage: P19291
GPU: 18627
CPU: 21600


Last night my power brick tripped a few times. At first I thought I fried it because the blue light on the end wouldn't come on. But it reset after a min. Guess I've been bumping the PSU limit

 

DR650SE, did you try the 10.7 drivers? I am still surprised that you managed to get the Vantage score that high

 

Thanks, I was too. Never thought I'd hit 19K. Though once I figured out how to cool it, it prevented the CPU from hitting the thermal limit which took my CPU score down from a 21,5k-22K to 20 or under. Once it all came together, things turned out better than expected. Guess these really are powerful systems hampered only by the PSU and heat generated by the CPU. GPUs never heated up too much.

I did, actually I'm using the betas right now. Not really any differant then the officials.

 

looking real good dr650!
i must say you really did show what these cards and cpu are suppose to do. even with throttling you still manage to grab a 19+k score.

the only other thing you can do is grab a higher wattage psu..

and also...what your 920 is doing...is the exact same thing my 620m is doing....

so basically...intel turbo isn't budging for the time being.....2 cores at max speed and the other two cores 2x lower... so in reality...you may not be throttling, but in fact...only running a 2x multiplier lower....

when you get a chance...run wprime with the intel turbo monitor on see if it maxes out the whole test...do the 32 meg run....should give an idea. also real temp running as well so you can watch.