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    The new M17xR3 will be Alienware's first 3D-capable Laptop - Discuss here

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by LamboFreak4ever, Jan 6, 2011.

  1. Macpod

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    is it just me or did the uk site just took it off. but what the others said are right. and also only 460GTX option. very steep upgrade cost from 2630QM to 2720QM.
     
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    It's just you. Here's a direct link: Alienware M17x Laptop Product Details | Dell UK

    Check out the differences in the descriptions of the laptops:

    M17x-R2: Now featuring Intel® Core™ i7 processors and Dual 1GB ATI® RADEON™ HD 4870 graphics for an all powerful gaming experience.
    M17x-R3: Alienware's first 3D capable gaming laptop! <----LOL!
     
  3. oneabove

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    OMG 32 gb ram itself is a £119,848.80 upgrade.... Is that a typo??? :eek: :eek: :eek: .... u can buy almost 40 m17x-R3's for that amount...
     
  4. GoodToGo

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    Hmm buy a 32GB M17x or a rolls royce...choices choices!
     
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    Do you guys think I can negotiate a 10-15% discount? :D
     

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  6. oneabove

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    lol...the original amount probably would be £1198.48...
     
  7. kutthoat5150

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    if its an AW its probably right lol jk. But it is pretty steep for a $300 jump from 4gb to 8gb
     
  8. Villosa

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    Looks to be plastic then since AW isn't bragging about the build. Sucks...
     
  9. oneabove

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    Imagine giving the sales rep a call today and asking for the 32gb memory upgrade added to your system... he would quit the job after a single sale commission... lol
     
  10. jfbarea

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    only gtx 460, only 1 hard disk, :( and the price??? 1800 libras fot the starting price ...
    ing alienware
     
  11. Blueneon

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    Why not just buy a M15x and save some money, its about the same thing.
    > GTX460
    > 1080p Screen
    > Plastic Casing

    Just save some money :)
     
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    It's all about the 3D, man! :rolleyes: If it isn't plainly obvious by now to everyone that this newest M17x was made to take out Asus then I don't know what is. And quite honestly, if I were in the market for a single GPU system, the M17x-R3 would fit that bill perfectly. It's lighter, promises 6 hrs of battery, has 3d support, usb 3.0, wireless hdmi, hdmi in, looks nice..basically puts the competition to shame.

    M17x-R3: The Asus G73 killer is here. ;)
     
  13. faiz23

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    I think it depends on what you are looking for an in my opinion i would spend a little extra to get sandy bridge versus older chips. The price drop on m17x made it very competitive with the m15x and other features like HDMI in, 3d, and the battery life. I think it would be a tough decision between m15x and m17x r3. Dell kinda hurt there own sales but i am sure they will benefit in the long run if they decide to have a flagship m18x and a m17x to compete with asus
     
  14. Macpod

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    If they price this right ASUS will have some real worries on their hands. I can imagine a lot of people would be willing to pay extra $200 for an alienware. For the case, RAID and other goodies. Plus the option to use highend ATI cards is very tempting.
     
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    The R3 will compete nicely against Asus G73 with it's base specs but for now, the newest Clevo models equipped with GTX 485M are king in single GPU performance. Once Dell makes the 6970M (around March) available for the R3, that will close the gap in AW's favor.
     
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    Clevo is offering SLI 485's as well so that makes them king currently in the dual GPU as well!
     
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    From the Dell UK site's memory upgrade page:
    32GB 1333MHz DDR3 Dual Channel (4X8GB) [ add £119,848.80 or £6,000/month1]

    OUCH!

    At least there is not currently an additional charge for red versus black.

    PFFT!
    Over £124,000.00 for the hardware & it doesn't even include a blu-ray burner option. :eek:
     
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    Support site for M17xR3 is up. just waiting for them to upload the drivers and documentations so we can see a definate spec sheet

    Dell Drivers and Downloads
     
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    the starting price are 1500$ ?? 1500$ are 1161 euros not 1999€.
    I don't understand. :S
     
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    Lol! What a turn around. Lets see how long it takes for them to get it into production though, new technology release could be on the horizon if they have only just knocked this idea up because of complaints.
     
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    Now there is a laptop worthy of selling my desktop for...
     
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    Did you see the little note on one of the postings...

     
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    guys, i tot the m17x r3 was suppose to be cheaper then the r2? wasnt that one of the main points that CES pointed out? starting price at $1499? yet on uk website, starting price for R3 is $1799 compared to the R2 at $1599.
     
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    European prices in the past have been higher.
     
  29. steviejones133

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    OMG! - Just got up and wanted to check out Dell UK - have read back here a bit but wanted to see for my own eyes....

    Single 460m
    No 1920x1200 rgbled
    No Blu Ray Burner
    No 2920xm SB cpu (yet)
    No Silver option for base colour

    Anything else thats been stripped? - I see that 32gb price must be a typo lol ;) ....seems like raid is still an option for drives.....

    Just cant believe that the system is only offering ONE 460m.....
     
  30. 5150Joker

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    They are probably withholding the 2920xm because of throttling. Tom's Hardware noted throttling with Crysis 2 so Dell might be busy cooking up a new bios that either raises the trip point or artificially lowers the CPU multiplier. I hope I'm wrong but the early indicator wasn't good.
     
  31. steviejones133

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    Ok, so after a bit of fiddling about on the UK configurator, few things strike me as odd.

    1. 3d Screen - price to upgrade = £260.00gpb......heck, the much larger Optx 3d external monitor isnt much more to get instead!

    2. Ram is still extremely highly priced - some £300.00gpb to upgrade from 4gb to 8gb. (not that i was expecting anything new here i guess)

    I ran through to get a quote as close to my spec as possible and it works out at £3227.39!!!....thats almost $5200.00usd!!! (same-ish as my sig below)

    Now forgive me, but this price isnt anywhere near as cheap as an Asus g73 3d laptop now is it? - i read this article here CES 2011: New gaming laptops galore from Acer, Asus, MSI, Toshiba | ZDNet and it seems that the base 3d asus is quite a bit cheaper than the R3.

    So, begs the question, if Dell WERE targeting Asus segment on 3d, then why havent they priced accordingly as both will be more or less identical!
     
  32. oneabove

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    Well I posted this on "Alienware m17x r3 in the uk store" thread ....I think M17x R3 is the new name for M15x R2... and M18x would be the real M17x R3... So that means they might discontinue M15x..??!!??... Size wise the M17x R3 is smaller too...
     
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    So much for starting at $1499. Uk starts it at $2789. Twice the advertised amount. Bluetooth isnt standard, single gtx460, no extreme processor. Very disappointing Dell. Nice way to kill a line.
     
  34. EviLCorsaiR

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    Well, that does it. Unless they add a 6970M option and SIGNIFICANTLY cut the price, I'm definitely not getting the M17x.

    I'll see what their inevitable M15x refresh is like. Or, if the M18x really does come out and if it has decent pricing on it.

    £1800 for a laptop that weak is unbelievable. A 460M isn't a significant upgrade over my dual 3870s, and this cost £1500 almost a year ago...

    HOPEFULLY this will drop the price of the R2 M17x. That will certainly appeal to me even with last gen processors, if I can get hold of a CFX 5870 and RGBLED machine.
     
  35. steviejones133

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    Im staggered that the entry level R3 in the UK is £1799gbp.....given what you actually GET for that amount of cash, you would STILL be better off going for a 3d Asus G73 which will have more RAM as standard, better HDD options at entry level (i think they use hybrid flash/ssd drives as opposed to Dell entry level single 250gb 7200 non hybrid drive.

    Asus also throws in a blu ray player and 8gb and STILL comes up far cheaper than the R3 have a look at this: http://www.worldbestlaptopcomputers...ndy-bridge-geforce-gtx-460-m-blu-ray-full-hd/

    I thought this was gonna be cheaper and aimed at Asus? - so far, IF i wanted a 3d laptop, I would still buy the Asus over the AW as its far more "bang per buck"

    Nice move Dell!
     
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    It just launched. Prices will come down as they always do. Dell prices are like the stock market.
     
  37. steviejones133

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    Prices NEVER go down in the UK, always up LOL, and at that price, whoaaah...I wouldnt buy one, I would be down my local Asus store picking up exactly the same if not better, for less. ;) - thats IF i wanted a 3d laptop, which i dont! - glad i bought when i did.
     
  38. dave-p

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    has not made the USA site yet.
     
  39. EviLCorsaiR

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    In this case I hope the M17x R2 prices come down. If I'm able to buy one it'll be in 3 months or so (hopefully)...currently the config I want would set me back £2,200 but if it dropped to £1,500 or even to around £1,800...that would be damned tempting. RGBLED and XFire 5870s? That would satisfy me for a long time, methinks.

    Hopefully the new M17x will sell bundles and lower R2 sales, then it should definitely drop in price as they try to shift the remaining stock...but I don't want it to run out before I can buy one!

    Part of me actually thinks they'll use the R3 as their '3D' model and might actually keep the current R2 as their flagship, 'performance' model. Either that, or come out with a new flagship. It makes sense that way; they have a notebook that appeals as a more portable 3D gaming machine, and one for those who crave the highest performance.
     
  40. Jasperiel

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    You may have gotten your wish, prices on the m17x are down 300 dollars at the moment.
    Edit: On the US site, that is.
     
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    I wish people could just take this for what it is and stick to facts. Which are:
    Fact 1: The US/Canadian/UK final configurators are either not up at all or currently being worked on.
    Fact 2: This laptop is clearly not a replacement for the flagship.
    Fact 3: This laptop has let many people's expectations down. How many different times do the same people have to verbalize this?

    Now some postulation:
    1. The 6970 could very well be more powerful than people are giving it credit for. On notebookcheck (not the most reliable) the review of the 485 is up and it shows a 47% improvement over the 480 and a 69% improvement over the 5870. The unknown is where the 6970 is. If the 3dmark is accurate, then it will be as powerful or slightly more powerful than the 485. If one can get a near 70% improvement over the 5870 (which isn't unheard of for a next gen GPU in the past) then that wouldn't be a bad value proposition for people looking for "near cutting edge" at a price of about 2000-2200. That is a lot of computer for that price and that is exactly the kind of computer many people want as they have a desktop for the absolute heaviest of gaming. Add in a lighter chassis, usb 3.0 and SB and I would consider one given there are no heat throttling issues as noted by Toms.
     
  42. goha01

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    I wouldn't worry much about price...u know,UK price is always WAY~ higher than those in other countries.
    I'm kinda optimistic about the price.

    BTW,those who are disappointed about the specs of R3 should no longer be sad as M18x is pretty much comfirmed to be released someday(thx to the Mighty Eric G lol).Therefore,the R3 is probably gonna be something more like a very attractive 17-inch model with all those features that you probably won't be seeing in other notebooks for a little bit of time.At least not much notebooks will have all those good stuffs.

    When M18x is out,I'm kinda sure that everybody is gonna be CRAZY about 2920xm OCing+6970M CFX+18.4-inch gaming.Some reviews(I guess one of them is Anand's?) show that 2820qm is better and sometimes much better than a desktop i7-920.

    Can't wait to see some extreme scores coming from these bad boys :)
     
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    Justification purposes of course. How many "Thank god I bought when I did" or "I'm glad I have the R2" posts have shown up since the R3 was introduced? ;)
     
  44. Steveyruss

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    Yeh that is a good point the UK prices are always high and especially with the new rise in VAT. However even if you converted the price into dollars it's still far too expensive for the configuration and I can guarantee it will be at least that probably more! The m11x and m15x aren't that badly priced on the uk website. r3 price is frankly crazy.
     
  45. goha01

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    Hey,remember the price for the 32GB RAM upgrade? :D

    Or maybe this is just some market tactics so that old models would be sold more quickly?
     
  46. EviLCorsaiR

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    ...Yeah, on the UK site they aren't as generous.

    Goddamn British extortionists. I feel let down that these ripoff artists are the same nationality as I am.

    If the 6970 really does turn out to be a 70% improvement over a single 5870 then that'll tempt me. That brings it almost to the performance level of crossfire 5870s, and that'd be assuming a very good scaling percentage for the 5870s. That'd satisfy me, to say the least.

    Of course, I won't get too optimistic/excited until I see some actual game benchmarks.
     
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    Yea, I'm with EC, if it's 70% more efficent, I'm probably returning my R2 for an R3.
     
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    6970m should be slower but not much slower than a desktop 6850.So let's say we could find some benchmarking with i7 920+6850.That should give us a very brief(yup,very brief.) idea on how a notebook with i7-2820qm+6970m is gonna be like.
     
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    If it isnt a replacement for the flagship, then what is it because i certainly dont see any other laptop "above" it in the pecking order of things that is available...... :confused:
     
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    Why did they remove M17x from the outlet store?

    Also Jasperiel, price for the M17x is the same...
     
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