580M SLI throttling Discussion Thread

Here it is. GF114
http://www.mediafire.com/?cwkccbaxmcpcl1b


Yaaay...I'm soooo excited!!! To be back on the Green Team!!!

 

ok...so what happened with furmark....just out of curiosity...:0

 

just flashed testing now show 70.24.2b.00.06 ! tbx skyrunner much appreciated even if the throttle is still there its good to have a new vbios

 

Furmark throttles. There is no way around that. My current system has a problem with the motherboard. Which is causing issues. That is why I am waiting on my replacement w/580M SLI.

No problem

 

So now its to test if there are any sort of throttling at stock clocks in games and benchmarks.

 

No throttle at stock for me even overclocked to 740mhz no throttle in 3d furmark.

Anything above 740mhz i get artifacts meaning i need more volts, might get mvtech to mod this new vbios 06 and see what happens screen attached

temps at 740mhz 66/64, ah forgot to overlock memory + a few hundreds there

If you dont get throttle in furmark you should not be getting throttle in games as games will never stress gpu as much as furmark does, if you do then its got to be temps related or something else.

 

All the games that throttled for me before are working perfectly at stock clocks. But these new cards are causing the problems I have with my motherboard to be more consistant I guess I have to sit on the side lines until I receive my replacement.

 

hmmm what problems!!

 

AlienFX, freezing, BSOD before 580M SLI(now it's constantly happening) & 5 beeps from the Bios that indicates motherboard or CPU trouble.

 

looks like we are in buisness now.

yes...what problems?

 

Is this scenario with the new BIOS or even before?

 

What a sad/happy day. I have noticed that my system loads waaaaay faster with Nvidia than AMD and the screen is waaaaaay brighter and more vibrant.

 

that's what was going on with my last board....all kinds of beeping... had to do with a few things...including the ram slots. which was either beep 4 or 5. usually had to remove the ram and boot one stick...it would work fine from then on.

that's probably because of digital vibrance...
speculation of course

 

Hopefully my replacement will get here soon so I can enjoy the greatness of 580M SLI.

 

hell...mine ain't got here either...lol

side note:
where did bar-code run off too.

 

Probably playing games.

 

for me this is with new and before same, but since i dont have a mod for the new vbios i can only limit this to 740mhz with the old vbios and the 0.92v mod anything over 740mhz resulted in throttle for me in vantage, but most things run fine

Im here, yes i was playing & testing of course :0)

 

I'm about to pack this M18x up and wait for my M18x replacement. The 5 beeps at post is driving me crazy...lol. This system does seem more responsive with 580M SLI. It's nice to see Crysis 2 playing at full speed with tessellation and no throttling. I can't wait to get my replacement with 580M's!!!!

 

i chalked you up to testing...was wanting to see a few things...

and you...take out all the ram and only use one slot...i forget which one.
also pull the cmos battery
and the last part is to pull the black cable coming from the led panel to the motherboard(motherboard side) then plug it right back in.

one of these things should get you back up and running.


side note:
damn this phone is flying at 1.6 ghz. wow!...im impressed. best 115 bucks i spent so far.

 

alright, according to my observations there are such GPU clock modes on 580M after a vbios provided by SKY

- 50/67,5Mhz with 0.80v;
- 73/162Mhz with 0.80v;
- 475/1500Mhz with 0.85v (probably a new 3D? added mode);
- 620/1500Mhz with 0.87v!

The bad: I still have throttle even with a 50Mhz OC on the core, but i've noticed the clocks doesn't go down all the way to its lowest possible 2D value, but switch to the new 475/1500Mhz mode instead. We still can't game on the battery though.
The good: my load temps tend to climb not that high as they did before, so a couple of degrees were shaved with the new vbios.

This issue still needs further development... Throttling is still present!

 

thx redline +rep so is 70.24.2b.00.04 or 70.24.2b.00.06 better, what was the previous 70.24.2b.00.04 stats.

The only thing thats changed is the vbios machanically the 580m's would be the same.

 

Are you guys still throttling at stock clocks?

 

I've never throttled before at stock clocks. Someone has mentioned Stalker Clear Sky to cause throttling on stock, but i didn't run this game...

bar-code, the previous vbios stats remained the same except the new 475/1500Mhz with 0.85v state and i noticed a few degrees lower loads compared to the old .04 vbios.

There's one thing that bothers me, GPU1 reaches almost 62C at idle before the fan start to spin, while GPU2 remain at 45C all the time, i wish it could get fixed as well)

 

63*C is the "fan on" threshold. What's wrong with that? You can force your own thresholds using HWiNFO.

Note that the SLI setup uses memory on only the primary card and is generally utilized more than the second card -> it will always run a bit hotter.

 

yeah, man... i know that. By "get it fixed" i mean on the bios level, so the fan start to spin ay a 50C range e.g., not higher. May be i'm too lazy to start hwinfo and set custom fan profile each time my computer boots

 

If you guys arent throttling at stock clocks then I doubt Dell will do anything about it. Their priority is to make sure it works at stock clocks.

 

Of course it's their job to make sure it runs great on stock, even after we paid premium of 1200 for the SLI setup not to take the full advantage of the GPU's!!! It's really something they can get fixed, at least i really hope so... i just can't see any logic in this protection mechanism they created!

 

lol, if any slowdown/throttle happens now, it should be at 475mhz not 50mhz as before. So this is a huge improvement overall for the ppl that suffered the throttle at stock speeds.

 

hummmm, then that number should be able to be changed as well....

 

exactly! Working on it!! total removal would be nice!

First the volts then the removal


the new rev vbios will not solve the problem it only delays it by few more minutes.

 

yes...the 580M uses domains for setting clocks. but all the info is in there..including the throttle points...not sure if mv can see or access that portion of it though.(throttling temps)

 

I've downloaded the VBIos from Dell's site xxx.06 and so far I see that the throttling is far less aggressive but still there for sure.

 

Well this proves one thing at least to me, its Dell/Alienware controlling the throttling. Even tho they offered to change my cards at a cost of over $1000 saying its not them in the first place.

 

i keep mis-interpreting this, is this at stock clocks or OC? for theres a big diff between the two for me anyways. i just want to clear this up.

 

Hey Johnksss, Im sure when you get your sli setup, you will find someone to get this corrected or removed totally (since you love/the king of breaking records)

For me no throttle up to o/c 740mhz is good enough.
But the whole point here is, why are other Vendors (less expensive makers eg clevo MSI etc) not using this aggressive throttle, why is Dell/Alienware.

MSI even overclock there cards as standard.
I ordered a MSI 683R the other day and guess what i was expecting a 560m to be at it's rated speed 775mhz it came from MSI factory at 810mhz and this was a laptop under $1000. (OK it had a single GPU, but so does the M17X)

I was totally shocked and no throttle was experienced with the MSI

 

i don't know about getting it fully removed, since we talk to the same people.
and once im done testing...throttling won't bother me...what i am looking to do is trying to slow the gpu down by 2 percent some how. this would kill the throttling if temps are well with in normal operating room..(another possible solution)

and are the 560m's throttling? didn't know they did that as well.

 

No throttle on the MSI 560M!! That was my point no one else is throttling the way DELL is!

3.20am bed time for me!!

 

Although I am not on the "Green Team" at this time, on behalf of those that are, I really do appreciate Dell/Alienware for their escalation of this situation.

It's great to see the display of customer care and sense of urgency on the OSD issue and the 580M throttling problem. Thanks for posting an updated vBIOS and for the ongoing attention being devoted to correcting this issue.

Spoiler

 

Bill the Dell guy already confirmed there is something like 'throttle equation' and when particular conditions are met the throttle is engaged. It was said to be "OC and/or 55*C + 100% load = throttle".

I will do my testing tomorrow to see what new is there. As I said before, instead of adding extra performance levels the easiest solution would be to liberally modify the 'throttle equation', e.g. purely according to temperature threshold.

Imagine the 'throttle equation' is

temp > 90*C + 100% load = throttle

I am pretty sure everybody would be fine with that formula -> both safe for the cards and effective letting us OC at least a bit and do stuff we would like to be able to do with the cards.

I can tell you that I was asked to provide my feedback to the Dell people, and I will mention my thoughts on the 'throttle threshold' and what we, the customers/users want/would like to see done here, so basically right people at Dell will hear what is being said in here.

BTW, bar-code, your cards did throttle on *.04 BIOS even on stock when particular conditions were met, you just didn't measure it properly. We all have the very same cards with the very same BIOSes, and since the 'throttle equation' is VBIOS based, we are doomed to share the 'throttling' experience in the very same way.

 

Yeh as Xeneize says - from a few quick tests can confirm that throttle is still evident.

Whereas before I would drop from say 80fps to 2fps then shoot back up after a few seconds - now it is more gradual and drops down to say 40fps but for a longer period - so in fact my overall fps are lower but disruption isnt as evident.

Will keep playing about but from first impressions that seems to be the case.

 

I've always had that same feeling in regards to throttling, it was always a combination of load and temperatures.... I just can't agree on the formula, I don't see why 100% load will help trigger ANY throttling. I like my GPU and CPU to work 100% in demanding apps... Throttling should be implemented in the same way Intel did it with Sandy Bridge, 100% driven by Temperature.

I would even settle for 85c, which is something I haven't seen even after long hours of gaming and hot ambient temps.

 

meaning: i didn't think a 560m would even throttle to begin with. 580m, yes...560m..no...but i guess we learn something new every day..

 

Glad to see you guys saw the new VBIOS was posted last night. We weren't quite sure when that was going to happen.

Dell's official position on this will be that we have resolved what we set out to resolve: no throttle on stock clocks.

However, if the OC'ers among you want to make a case for a different implementation of a throttling threshold, please do so.

Also, I'd like to gauge your interest level on something. If I could get the lead engineer for Alienware mobile graphics to engage with you guys somehow, what would you like that to look like? Just creating an account here and posting on this thread? Conference call? Google+ hangout? Storm Session on IdeaStorm? Throw out some ideas. No guarantees, but I think I may be able to pull off something that's low impact on his bandwidth.

 

I think for the sake of everyone's participation, here on this forum would be good to start, but I'm open of a conference call. I think the bottom line is that we'd love to get the same experience on the M18x 580SLI as any of the users do with your competitors, which isn't currently the case.

By the way: Thanks once again for working with us, it's a great 1st step for sure.

 

Just got agreement to a conference call. Who's in?

We just need to figure out a time. What times/dates work for everyone? (US Central Standard Time)

 

I'm a in. I will make the time work, hopefully we can get some of the other members that are relevant to the case.

I'm open Today from 2pm to 4:30pm EST

Tomorrow from 2pm to 5pm EST.

Will any of those work for the rest?

 

Wow this is outstanding. Dell's support on this incredible. Will be buying Alienware again. And also trying to get my hands on 580M SLI for less than 3,000....

 

Sure is good support. Even though I dont have 580m Sli, I have been watching closely and am amazed by the level of support on offer here.....also was amazed at the level of support offered on the Aero Bug issue too which is fixed.

I doubt that ANY other manufacturer would listen so closely to its customers.....I dont think I would buy anything other than Dell at this point in time....fantastic work by the liason guys - Chris & Bill - and also the engineers too as without their work, no fixes would be available.

Thanks Team Dell......

 

Amazing indeed, a conference call is a great idea.

 

Does this mean the throttling will be present for those of us who purchased the factory overclocked Intel® Core™ i7 2960XM Overclocked Turbo Boost to 4.0GHz (8MB Cache)?