580m vs 6990m Benches

that's because in that bench..i was just showing what "fully maxed out means"

 

Just sitting in my AC room actually ...

I close the door, get the room nice and cold ... the Laptop sits close to by not ON the AC ... then used Hwinfo to crank max fans ...

Sadly the heat isn't the issue, its the voltage I am really considering adding some resistors for a .05 gain ....

But yea, I think I lucked into some awesmoe cards.... have not even repasted ...

 

Sweet! Yeah no heat issues with my card either. Maxing out around 66C, although it is with a repaste using ICD24. I'd take you on if I had the same system as yours. I've never really been a multi-card setup kinda guy.

 

Yea well, I am a big guy and I don't have a desktop but I demand the high end gaming experience so ... the m18x was perfection.

was going to go Sager with 485 x 2 ... so glad I waited for the m18x .


Now to fix the voltage on my cards ...

 

Very nice temps. I LOVE the 580 temps. That means there is a LOT of room in those cards most likely once throttling is addressed/or IF...yikes

 

How about you turn off your physix and watch your score drop to a more reasonable level!

 

3D Mark has a Physx Block.... his PhysX aren't factoring in.....

That said I always wonder ablut that myself... PhysX is part of Nvidia and as such shouldn't that factor in? it is part of the package...

 

hmmm i dont think so, i clearly can see his physix ticked in gpuz.

My score jumps with physix ticked to about 2000 to 3000 depending unticked it drops, so 3d mark is not disabling it automatically according to my tests.

 

Check out the release notes from Vantage...

Edit: can't find them. Still looking.

 

In 3DMark Vantage, I have the newest 1.1 patch. Which by default has the PPU option disabled. If I had it on, my CPU score would be in the region of 54k. Futuremark put this in in their newest patch to prevent nvidia bias. The previous patches did not disable it and thus produce very high (and wrong) results for nvidia cards. Check the results sections at the 3DMark website. Those with physx disabled with new i7's score around 20k, those with it on score about 50k. Physx does not affect the GPU score.

Spoiler

So even if Physx is enabled in my Control Panel, Vantage is set not to use it. If you really want, I can run it again for you with my Physx off. I will bet my laptop that the score will be the same.

 

Not to mention that you can't disable PhysX without a third party...(I don't see an option for it)

 

yeah, i would let that go bar-code...his cpu score should have answered your question... ....his 18k is legit.

 

lol, all cool i didnt even know that disable feature was even there! +rep And yes Johnksss i totally missed the cpu score my bad

 

man, all is good bar-code..just glad to see you back in action! you are back in action right??? you have your lappy??

 

Hey Bar, have you tried a Vantage run @800mhz?

 

hey hey yeah still here johnksss, just using lappy normally (no benchies) and been busy with work/home and not enough time to play. Glad 2 c your still breaking records

throttled!! best i can manage is at 740mhz on a good day

But stay tuned for a modified driver soon with no throttle commands (just have a few more nvidia scripts hurdles to overcome) time is a problem too busy

 

Very Nice, can't wait !

 

Here's the guy, mate A little more challenge from Clevo!

 

Hahah nice! Taken a note. I shall take him on! I just need a new CPU.

 

still waiting for 6970 owners to provide the youtube bench vids!

 

Why do you want youtube bench vids? Every bench run is the same apart from the framerate.

 

Because that's how we roll here

 

^^Haha 10char

 

PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - High End Video Cards

suggests that the 6990m = 5970
and the 580m = 285

where '=' can be said "is comparable to"

 

it also says 6950 is faster than a 590 lol

 

and just how is that test measured? is that over all score or just the 3d gpu test?

given the resolution they are running...it very well might be faster.

edit:
after looking back...my amd setup walked all over my nvdia setup....dont remember if it was over clocked though.

edit:
go look at where the 2960xm is at now...for the time being..haha

moving the 580m up is going to take time...with all them low submitted scores...

 

I just love how I picked up a 6990m for a fraction of what the 580m are priced at . Even if it is slightly slower than the nvidia card, efficiency matters. I am also looking forward to future games with high tessellation involved and I wonder how the two would stack up then.

 

i see you might be in for a rude awakening...lol

 

omg here

Radeon HD 6990M Or GeForce GTX 580M? : GeForce GTX 580M SLI Vs. Radeon HD 6990M CrossFire

 

That is stronger on the nVidia by a large margin on extreme presets. On low and high presets they are mostly a match.

But extreme presets are not needed to make a game look good and more realistic. Because Tessellation is a short cut not a true version of what the model should really look like in hand designed high polygon count models.

Its a tool to aid designers cut time in trying to make a low polygon models into a high polygon model for high spec settings. So now the card does it on the fly for the developers and they can concentrate on other things rather than spend time on developing models with low-high polygon counts for each level of graphics settings.

Metro 2033 is one example of a balanced application of tessellation for both GPU vendors.

Crysis 2 is an example where one company employes marking dollars to put pointless tessellation levels on mostly irrelevant objects to slow down the competition to the point it doesn't really improve the visuals all round as the tessellation factor is applied to a select few objects while other elements in the same scene look as dated as 2005 graphics.

The 6970/6990M have single tessellators like the 5870 mobilities, only difference the ones on the 6000 series are slightly improved. The HD 7000 series will get dual tessellators based off the cayman VLIW4 architecture and the situation will be vastly improved but Nvidia still has a lead in this department. AMD openly professed the reason for this being they don't see the need for extreme tessellation for games to really look good (eg: metro 2033). This is definitely true. But Nvidia marketing dollars aided games (TWIMTBP campaign) will up the tessellation to extreme levels just so Nvidia gets its money's worth in return for favorable benchmarks.

Its all the great world underhanded business tactics. AMD should do more of the same as Nvidia is not going to stop what it does best anytime soon.

 

thanks for the link.

 

So the 580M SLI is slightly better, and now the price is so close that it makes sense to get the 580M SLI over 6990M CFX

 

Totally agree my friend., but most of gamers out there don't know it.

 

Nvidia has provided financial support during game development for a long time, in order to have them more finely tuned to their products. Fair enough, their cards may be evenly matched on a level playing field in an ideal world, but that doesn't exist and the amd/ati marketing dept really does need a shake. However Ati/Amd haven't woken up to smell the roses yet and I'm doubtful if they ever will.

 

Ah but that's the catch, the cheeky games in question are not using the cards properly, they are only written to slow the competition down. They are not interested in the best gaming visuals or experience. Just benchmark numbers to show their cards in better light.

You are paying for a game, wont you like to have it really use all of your card's abilities on every detail of the game's scene and not just partially?

 

Exactly!! That's why I was happy to leave the Red team. It's time for AMD to do something different.

 

Not happening in Nvidia cards either, only gimmicks which are targeted to get some bench numbers which mean nothing for visual quality.

 

Compared to consoles, I really don't think any PC gpu's are being utilized correctly via game software. The Xbox 360(Xenon 3.2Ghz Tri-Core) and PS3(3.2Ghz Cell) both have gpu's equivalent of an Nvidia 8800GT. If anything, the consoles are being 100% utilized.

 

Alas, people often get confused and misinformed by those kinds of reviews. One reseller assembled a rig and sent it to a reviewer and we take it for a reference. I said it couple of times already, we have tested both configs with the latest drivers and at stock clocks there was always a tie overall. In fact, if the 6990s and 580Ms owners run the same benches as the reviewers did they will get much better results. Now, as far as overclocking goes, I'd trust Johnkss' results and say that the greens have a slight edge there but unless you see the 580Ms in my sig - the cards are on par

On a side note, for those who intend to keep their current rig for 3-4 years and don't have a CC warranty, consider this:
In the past year we have had a few hundred support requests from the 8800M/9800M/2x0M owners with one common problem - dead GPU. And not a single case of a dead 38x0/48x0/58x0 card. That's our statistics so far. Now, I come from a business IT sector and there it's even worse. For many years I supported IBM/Lenovo and Dell laptops and from what I saw pretty much every gen of the green mobile pro GPUs was plagued by some sort of overheating, poor solder, latency, throttling and other issues resulting in preliminary failures. Some still remember that famous Apple vs Nvidia lawsuit for bad gen of the 8x00 cards when Apple had to replace hundreds of machines for free.

Now, I'm not saying AMD is perfect and we see some issues on these boards but I'm yet to see a dead GPU in my own laptops and I still have a 9-year old IBM ThinkPad R40 with a Radeon 7500, which works like a charm (and I burned about 3000 hours of gaming on it trust me )

Bottom line, go Green or Red if you like it but try not to jump on a poor review, especially when so much info is available here on this forum to help an make an informative opinion.

 

exatly!! not only apple but hp and sony computer had to replace hundreds of machines for free.
i don't know why, but fall out new vegas run vetter on my m18x than on my desktop with GTX580 at same setting.
there are not any problem with the amd card,

 

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