580m vs 6990m Benches

how much extra did they charge you for 580 upgrade?

 

Has anyone seen any real comparisons of 580m vs 6990m from any trust worthy site? As far as I remember notebookcheck only used the downclocked desktop 6870. Thanks guys...

 

They are sending them to me for free.

 

Noteboockcheck.net' AMD 6990m benchmarks are donw with a desktop 6870 downclocked to 6990m clockrate.

 

Eurocom Benches with 6990s ...

Eurocom: AMD Leistung der Radeon HD 6990M in den Benchmarks - Notebookcheck.com News

 

OT: I thought they never made 32GB S2s? Or are you including the SD card?

 

SD card And its not maxed its just the SD I had sitting around.

Its an AMAZING phone, amazing. More powerful then a lot of people's computers (no one here of course )

 

Yeah I have one too, love it

 

NO WAY???
Who would have thought. It`s not like previous GPUs between Nvidia and AMD were this way

 

Yeah like the Geforce FX series and the radeon HD3 series, lol they are not always close

 

True, but in many occasions, and especially the last gen. But then again, they have released like a million GPUs so it`s not hard to find something that match

 

No need for sarcasm, not every customer has a clear idea of what's going on on the market. Many don't even know that Nvidia and ATI/AMD are part of a single entity and a single scheme, hehe

 

Thank you, because I was on this category.... sadly.

 

the same entity...with different market caps, ticker symbols, management...

most (81M) of nvidia's shares are owned by Fidelity (FMR LLC), while most (41M) of AMD's are owned by Ameriprise.

where did you read they were the same entity?

 

Dig deeper.

 

oh wait, my bad, Illuminati & Co. owns 51% of each.

 

what company is this illuminati? is this their real corp name?

 

Haha, nice one!


Let's get back to topic here.

 

I take offense to that!

As a Free Mason I can tell you that we own 51% of the world.

Hell 99% of all the presidents of the united states where Free Masons.

Except George W Bush we disowned him!

 

So, ive been reading around on this thread and the others related to it, and I really cant seem to find any clear comparisons at stock clocks between the two with in game benchmarks. What is the performance like in games at stock clocks for the 6990 vs the 580, I am stuck on whether to get the 6990 or the 580, I have all the other specs picked out.

 

here is the problem. nvidia has better driver support but the 6990m is about 13% faster. this might be meanlingess if better drivers means smoother gaming or gaming without hassles. 6990m also overclocks very well even without a voltage increase. i have two of these laptops and they both can do 15% overclock with stability.

if these cards were the same price i would definately go with nvidia due to it's drivers support and that i have always been with nvidia since the begining. but i cannot justify the $700 difference in price for them. you are sort of stuck in a "weather you like it or not" situation as it stands right now with these offerings.

 

And the "Better drivers support" assumption is based on....?

 

agreed ive had many more issues with Nvidia's drivers the last year and a half than AMD. now a few years ago I would agree whole heartedly. except for Vista where MS and others showed that 30-50% of vistas crashes were Nvidia driver related depending on the source.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/nvidia-drivers-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-20/

 

@ARGH, where are you getting 13% faster from?

I think the real issue at this point is the throttling on the 580m's. Hopefully there'll be a workaround soon for the M18x like there was recently for the M17x. Not much point in benching til that gets resolved.

That said, vestitas got over 28K in vantage with a relatively mild overclock a little while ago, and other people seemed to be hitting 25K or better on stock clocks.

 

i am basing it on: 6990m is equivalent to a desktop 5850 while 580m is equivalent to a desktop gtx460.

i am not familiar with this throttling i keep seeing pop up. can you elaborate on it?

 

nvidia drivers are better because;

-sli can be enabled / disabled for the games you choose without messing with the global sli profile.

-create custom profiles for games

-gpu monitoring tools can report on vram usage

-amd drivers put one of the cards in ultra low power state causing gpu monitoring programs to stop giving information that specific card and won't until the software is restarted. you dont have to worry about this with nvidia drivers as gpu info is always displayed at all times.

-sli scale bar on the left side. i always found that usefull and informative,

-games that i play like WoW runs almost as good on my old 8800m gtx sli laptop compared to this 6990m xfire beast because sli scales where xfire doesn't.

-crysis 2 on 6990m xfire; xfire would not scale and for the life of me could not figure out why. i went through driver versions, CAP versions, radeon pro's, only to finally figure it out after like a whole day of trial and error....that i needed to take the settings from ultra back to extreme and then xfire would start scaling and then i could take the settings back from extreme on to ultra to start playing.

nvidia drivers simply work out of the box. amd drivers don't. do accomplish anything i mentioned here with amd would require 3rd party programs and work-arounds. heck, even the xfire profiles are not provided as standard as they are with sli.

but like i said, it is still not worth the $700 premium for them. it is going to be a love-hate relationship going with 6990m xfire but there is no reasonable alternative.

 

ok, and for my next question, what's the basis for equating the 580m to a 460 and the 6990m to a 5850? If we don't have a solid handle on each card's potential yet, we also don't know their desktop equivalents.

here's the thread on the throttling issue. i think it pretty well demonstrates what makes NBR so great, people cooperating on a tough but soluble issue.

 

580m vs. desktop gtx460 1gb:

580m has 384 shaders but only at 625mhz. gtx460 has 336 shaders but at 675mhz.

laptop version has 15% more shader cores but is 8% slower core clock. the desktop card would need to be 722mhz core clock to match the speed of the laptop version. since it was common to purchase factory overclocked gtx 460's with core clocks at about 722mhz (and its only an 8% overclock) it is easy to assume that the laptop card is equivalent to the desktop 460.

 

I'm sure there are other architectural difference, we'll have to wait for the native drivers which by the way 580m does not have yet.... that's a big question mark right there.

 

I would also like to add my $800 5970 Dual GPU card desktop card WILL NOT play crysis 2 in xfire mode, it keeps freezing every two minutes.

My son has a crappy 460gtx in his desktop (the one I didn't want anymore and upgraded from) and he can play crysis 2 no problems. Agghh.

 

LOL the 580 SLI boys are coming out of the closet!

 

Nigel you obviously have faulty hardware, return it and get a new card.

 

Agree'd but I will say this. I have not had an ATI Card in like 8 years or something crazy, its been all Nvidia.

These 6990s are the bomb !

I have had -no- issues with driver support, tools etc. Most of the stuff that was said makes Nvidia better is easily doable with 6990s. Honestly saying "Nvidia works out of the box" ... why no go buy a Mac, cuz thats their slogan. Sure its pretty and has some flashy toys and it works out of the box, and its 3 times as much and under performs (not that the 580s will under perform once we actually get some better driver support.)

And there is some irony, talkign about how great Nvidia works out of the box and how awesome their drivers are and yet, the problem people are having with the 580s right now is that there are no good drivers, and they are throttling (no working properly) right out of the box.

My system rocked out of the box on Dell drivers. The openness of ATI/AMD cards has allowed many 3rd party applications to be made and worked into them, and I am loving it.

Plus just look at the scores and the clocks ... geeze.

I mean I am sure I would have bought 580s ... I was SUPER pissed with their price and couldn't afford them, so I go my 6990s. But if I had the choice again now, between both at the same price having taken these 6990s for a ride, I would not take the 580s ... no chance.

 

Well, every system i have gotten seems to have some sort of video card issue, regarding drivers, throttling, or something, and that is why i am trying to get a clear look at the 6990's vs the 580's. Are the ati drivers holding back the 6990's in regards to performance in games? From what I have read both cards are supposed to perform at around the same performance, but are the issues surrounding the 6990's affecting their in game performance enough to give the 580's an edge?

 

no ... pure and simple.
The only issue is profiles that sometimes need time to be released.

If anything right now the 6990s have a huge edge over the 580s because the 580s are suffering from stutter

 

Sorry to disappoint, no stutter at all here... I was surprised actually since all my SLI had some, I really can't see it here... in fact i'm amazed at the performance in actual games, it owns everything I've ever had, puts my desktop and my M17x to shame

 

lol thats not disappointing at all dude, thats great. There have just been several reports of 580 stutter thats all. I am very glad you are loving your rig, I think everyone pretty much is, even people like myself who originally had issues ... its pretty awesome

 

are the stutters on the Dell drivers? (never really tested those) but the 220.26 don't have that issue, at least to me. And as much as i'm loving my rig, kinda pisses me off how it's the anti-futuremark

 

Is anyone willing to trade me a 580m for two 6990m's? I have a 6990m and may be getting another one in a M17x R3 deal but I really am after the nvidia card due to some of my applications that use cuda. So anyone want to part with just one 580m in exchange for two 6990m's? I'm sure you'd be able to get crossfire cables from Dell.

 

'' So 580m SLI vs AMD 6990 Crossfire.. Crossfire kicks ?
IM about to order mine but im confused on SLI or crossfire..
additionally im goin to get the extreme 2920 processor overclocked..
btw what minimum ram u guys think i should get the maximum performacne out of the AW??

 

'' So 580m SLI vs AMD 6990 Crossfire.. Crossfire kicks ?
IM about to order mine but im confused on SLI or crossfire..
additionally im goin to get the extreme 2920 processor overclocked..
btw what minimum ram u guys think i should get the maximum performacne out of the AW??

 

'' So 580m SLI vs AMD 6990 Crossfire.. Crossfire kicks ?
IM about to order mine but im confused on SLI or crossfire..
additionally im goin to get the extreme 2920 processor overclocked..
btw what minimum ram u guys think i should get the maximum performacne out of the AW??

 

Both Sli and Crossfire are comparable in terms of performance, but 6990m CF has much more bang for the buck - not mentioning the 580m SLI stuttering issue.
Therefore you should go for CF 6990m, if I were you I would rather buy 2720 instead of 2920. The 2920 is not worth it unless you are crazy about benchmarks and stuff, there will not be a noticable difference in gaming IMHO. Not to speak about the crazy pricetag, you are better of using the money you save on the CPU on an SSD.
For RAM you should go only for the basic 4GB from dell as they are crazy expensive with mem upgrades (unless you can get a great discount on them) and then buy RAM from newegg or similar store - which will be much cheaper. I bought 16GB Ram for my M18x, but you should be more than fine with 8GB... But why not to treat your self to 16 GB with the current low mem prices.

Just my opinion...

And btw this should be posted in the preorder config related questions ;-)

 

Yep, xfire 6990m, I7 2720QM (new extreme coming out soon anyway which will tank the value of the current chip) and a BIG FAT SSD =)

 

I'd actually think about getting the 6990m cf before, but juding that I will be playing games like metro2033, mafia2, homefront and the upcoming batman that all use phsyx, I have no choice but to pay a lot more $$$$ to go for the 580m sli setting, only discover that it can't run Napoleon Total War and Company of Heroes at 60 fps ( when maxed out everything ), NTW's fps range from 37~47 and COH's FPS range from 39~55. ( Sli enabled of course )

 

that's probably because of throttling. If your in a warm room you wont ever run games at crazy fps with the 580's.

 

Not sure I understand this correctly, but you sure can run Company of Heroes all maxed out at 60+ fps. Not sure about the other games you state. In fact Of the following games:

Crysis
Crysis 2
Metro 2033
Civi 5
BF Bad Company 2
Witcher
Witcher 2 (Ubersampling not active)
Amnesia: Dark Descent
RIFT
Star Sraft 2
Company of Heroes


You can run EVERY single game with everything maxed out at 40fps+ (I use Vsync so most games lock at 40-60 FPS), the only game that looks like a challenge is Metro 2033 where on some heavy fog areas I get a dip to 28fps.

And this is without absolutely any OC on the Vid Cards.

 

Oops, I should provide more infomation about CoH, the FPS number is from the benchmark, it shows me that lowest is 7~9 FPS, MAX FPS is 47, and about Napoleon Total war, it's all maxed out, including the number of the soilders, and the FPS I said early is from a battle that fighting on a plain grassland with 4000 soilders.

Would you mind to help me out something? I want to know how much FPS you got at the beginning of the game (Metro2033), from the beginning sence until you arrive a snowy place which your buddy will ask you for help to tear down a door (gate!?), thanks.

 

Yep, go xfire 6990m 2720qm, you sure can run any game all me Ed out at 50-60fps, metro2033 run much vetter than it use to on my 580gtx desktop, I'm very happy with my M18X.

 

I sure can, in fact I'll record a video... anyone know if this is possible with FRAPS? (meaning to record a video of about 5 minutes)