580m vs 6990m Benches

@bumbo2: WoW now it seems I made a bad choice huh? but since I will play games that use phsyx, I think I have no choice but in the future I will surely think about performance VS eye-candy, since you can't ask for a return because you tell them that the FPS is horrible and the micro-shutter is unbearable lol.

@Xeneize : Thanks, will be waiting for your video, I think you can do it by using fraps, but if you can, I'd recommand you to use other equipment to record it since fraps may kill your FPS.

 

I notice a very slow drop in FPS, no big deal, uploading the video now.

And you did not make a bad choice at all, hard to justify the extra cash, but in the end games play and look awesome.

 

Good job man, can't wait to see it.

Well as you said mate, Phsyx is really the reason that I decided to go for the 580m sli, a lot people out there said that is only a "gimmick", but the bad thing is once you had a taste of it, you just can't play those games without it lol (I.e Mafia2, Batman Arakam Asylum and the upcoming arma3), the only thing that I am not happy with is the micro-shutter, tested it in arma2, my FPS stay at 60 but when I look around the game "feels" like 40 FPS, I bet I can't call dell for a return because of this right lol .....

BTW, I just clicked your Vantage score and noticed that you have a higher GPU score than mine, did you OCed it? since my GPU score is only 23889 and the FPS in the first and the second testing are 70.1 ( you got 80.1 at the first one )

 

Lol @ having to spend all that cash for a gimmick like physx.

 

Here you go, had to make and upload this video a few times, it appears that my limit to upload is 2GB so I had to rush thought it. I also realized FRAPS Fps count didn't come out as part of the capture.... not sure why i guess it's by design, bummer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCz-GBwsqqs


In any event, it's 60fps steady until I get into the room where the mutants are then it dips down to 30-35 for a few seconds, that area seems to be very heavy, then I see nothing but 50-60fps until "Hunter" walks in in the actual Metro, that's the biggest dip of the entire game, it goes to 28-30.

Mind you, I have Vsync and haven't done anything to tweak it, I'm sure I can squeeze a good 20% more performance out of this game.

That said, this is by far the only game that the 580SLI doesn't bring to it's knees. Crysis 2 DX11, High Res Texture pack @1080p runs like a dream 40fps with Vsync, 40-70fps without Vsync.


Edit: My vantage score reflects a slight OC of the Vid cards (716/1525) my default score with my drivers is: 24700. 580SLI don't really do well with Futuremark due to under throttling, something you will rarely experience in real gaming... My temperatures are stuck at 73/74

 

How can you have 40FPS with v-sync?

 

Not sure how Vsync works but some games cap at 40, some at 60...

 

Vsync only works at 1/8, 1/4, 1/2, 1, 2, 3 etc of the refresh rate.

Therefore: 7.5, 15, 30, 60, 120, 180

So it must have been 30 fps you were seeing.

 

no i was not i never ran a game with 30fps constant, i get dips at that fps, but my games with Vsync are all stuck at 40 and 60....

 

The Micro Stuttering that bad? i ordered the gtx 580's and i won't even open the thing and put in my ram and ssd if it's bad.

when does the micro stutter take place?

 

I don't experience any micro stutter @ 1920x1080, I have on higher resolutions 2560x1440 with DP cable.

 

I don't know you don't have any ... there have been a lot of people documenting the micro stutter ... maybe you just don't notice it Xenzie ? Meh ... either way I am sure the cards are amazing and I would hope NV will sort it out with patches at some point . ...

 

Hence why I actually said "I don't experience any micro stutter @ 1920x1080, I have on higher resolutions 2560x1440 with DP cable"

If it's there I don't see it and that works for me...

Anyhow on this debate of Refresh Rate/VSync, Apparently I have Triple buffering on, I think that could explain it... I did remove Vync and TB off and I get 50-90 FPS, pretty amazing! these M18x SLI or CF are unreal.

 

What really pisses me off is that Canada cannot seem to get their stinking hands on the 580M's. For some reason us giving the rest of the world their awesome Canadian beer, bacon, and hockey isn't good enough... it's all Justin Bieber's fault!

 

And don't forget BlackBerry and Brian Adams!

 

@Shaden, where are these posts documenting the micro-stutter?

 

I mentioned the micro-stuttering in a couple of posts (only happened with the 580M's). After doing some research, It seems to be linked to latency spikes that happen once in a while during gaming/benching/etc. I have seen spikes of up to 100k in DPCLat Checker, so it is there for sure. And since the same system with the 6970M/6990M's doesn't display such huge spikes, the issue is most likely Nvidia related. Maybe drivers, dunno. But it would certainly disappoint pro audio producers.

Nah, we got them cards coming to us through a secret channel this week Will keep you posted as we start testing.

 

@Xeneize : Nice video man, only if you can enable the FPS number in your video, I don't know why exactly but my metro2033 only run at 30 FPS in the beginning, and when I arrive the place where the mutants show up, it's 15 FPS for me, I maxed out everything, DX11, 4AA, is it the same settings like yours?

@Thorpe24 : It does there, but it will depends on how you feel, I turned on Fraps and try it in Arma2, under the map Uter which is the only map that my FPS stay steady under 60, try to look around, you will just get it, your game running at 60 FPS, but it feels like 40 or something like that when you try to move your mouse, well at least I didn't notice this in BFBC2 yet, only my FPS will drop to 25~40 when I saw some planes crash at the Japanese's Naval Base.

 

Just in case you have not noticed yet, notebookcheck just released their review of the 6990m (unfortunately not including CF benches). They were testing it in a Clevo X7200.

The link is as follows (only German at the moment):
notebookcheck

basically it is on par with the 580m, 580m wins in more of the games. 6990m is currently faster only in 2, but they have not included some of the favourite games of late (Witcher 2?).

Seems they were testing on older drivers and also are complaining about it that there can still be a performance improvement when better drivers are released.

 

I'm so frustrated by my search for CF 6990m benchmarks

Is there a page on this thread that has a collection of them?

 

Perhaps if you request what you are looking for you'll get a quick reply.... I can't help since I do not own CF but I can tell you that it rocks

 

6990 cf stuff is here ...

AMD Radeon HD 6990M Crossfire - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

Wow, those look really good, it seems in metro on ultra the 6990's have an edge, and in Bad Company 2. Other than that they seem about the same compared to the 580's in sli, unless these benchmarks are inaccurate.

 

They are very similar indeed, we (Nvidia) are still waiting for official drivers, I really can't see how much better these cards can perform, they are a beast!

 

TBH you can say you won't be disappointed with either set lol.

 

I dont trust those benches. Half of them have the 6970CF beating the 6990CF. I only trust what people post on here.

 

I am eager to find out how each card will do playing Battlefield 3. Once the game comes out, if someone could please let us know how the 6990's and the 580's handle BF3. (Because i dont think im the only one that pre-ordered that game!)

Ive always been an Nvidia Fan, but from the 5870's on my m17xr2 ive kinda stuck with AMD since they are cheaper and [were] superceding Nvidia, but i will admit that Nvidia cards seem more "game friendly" (ex: crysis 2, Starcraft 2). thats why i wanna see BF3 on maxed settings on both cards.

If only Nvidia was cheaper... *sighs*

on another note! BF3 FTW!!

 

Well Nvidia is the way is meant to be played

 

yes it is but in the current laptop world its the way is meant to be payed


on a serious not 6990m and 580m are equal cards.

 

hahaha, well I agree it's completely not worth $300 more, perhaps not even more at all because they are for sure, very similar indeed. at least so far anyways.

 

PhysX. The colour green. 'Nuff said.

 

Well seems that Nvidia is still "king of the hill".
Very good and detailed benches between the two SLI/CF configs:
Test GeForce GTX 580M SLI vs. Radeon HD 6990M CF - Notebookcheck.com Tests
(in German)

 

I'll translate this for people:

 

Good review...

EXCEPT they short-changed the 6990Ms. The 580Ms were running brand new drivers (280.26) while the 6990Ms were using Catalyst 11.1 (8.81), a driver that's 8 months old basically. That's pretty lame and they should redo that review with the newer drivers for the 6990Ms.

 

Agreed. I seen some nice gains going from factory drivers to the 11.8's.

 

Sidenote: are the 460's really that bad of a card...? Would they not be able to handle crysis 2 at max settings? Or bf3? Lol, no one goes for that anymore... Anyone got any benches forthe 460?

 

Um yea, considering that where the 6990s are beaten by the 580s they average 10% behind the 580s ... from the 11.6 - 11.8 alone there is over a 10% difference in performance ... so from 11.1 - 11.8 ... I am going to say the difference is quite a bit more then 10% ...

In this case I would say the 6990s beat the 580s hands down,

This is probably the lamest excuse for a comparison bench I have ever seen.

Why not just put the 6990s in P4 while they were at it ...

 

for odd reasons GTX 580m is now higher than the 6990m on notebookcheck.com
contact them!

 

That's not fair at all, nVIDIA should not be allowed to do that. That's just... unfair!

Speculations, speculations. You know what they say about people who make speculations? They make a spec out of you... and some guy named Lations.

Like I was saying to ichime. They're just not allowed to be better than AMD. Not now, not ever.

 

yeah if they used 11.1 drivers for the 6990m that is not fair.

it is no secret the 6990m is the stronger card but nvidia has better driver support.

 

hmmm i would disagree on both.... I've now seen both cards head to head (single card on M17x R3) with latest drivers, what I concluded is the 580M pretty much wins in every game however ATI has released 5 versions of drivers and I'm still waiting for new drivers with official 580M support.... one thing I will say is that ATI needs quite a bit of a workout to get the game going at acceptable framerate in some games, seems Nvidia is more of a plug and play experience.

 

would like to see runs where everyone uses max AA/AF since about 95 percent of the people are not using these, but say they are maxing out the settings...until they are ran like this...no one is maxing anything out....

 

Pretty sure both dual card setup can play 90% of the games with everything maxed out.

 

never said it couldn't play...just that that fps will be cut drastically.
if i had 580's or 6970's i would run it on them as well...but alass...i don't have..

doing crysis 1 right now and it's averaging about 34 fps (literally maxed out)

 

Most modern game that I have played do not run perfectly with 50+ FPS at all times with my 6990m's. I was surprised that the first Assassin's Creed will dip down to around 30 FPS at times. Is there a way to get better performance?

Another odd example is with BF:BC2 where during a 32-player match, the FPS would never stay at a constant 60 FPS, even with all settings set to their lowest the framerate would still dip to around 30-40... Crossfire is definitely enabled as I checked the Crossfire bar with Radeon Pro pulled up. Even in singleplayer, the FPS will not always stay above 60 with everything maxed out. How will the M18x be able to play BF3 if it can't even smoothly play BC2?

 

oh yeah some games like Crysis 1 or Witcher 2 with Ubersampling will probably drop to almost not playable.... I see what you mean now AF16 or 32.... The typical way I max out is by predefined highest settings, typically not that aggressive with AF/AA.

Man I just realised you don't have a 6990! al of the sudden your OC scores are even more incredible!

 

4xAA/8xAF is usually the upper limit before you get very, VERY small returns.

 

Well Multiplayer lag and Graphic lag is a complete different thing... I think you may be getting bandwith lag...

 

I doubt that it is bandwidth lag as the framerate only dips in certain areas of maps. If I look up into the sky it will exceed 100+.

 

no, i do have 6990M's

and man, it sure is allot of work trying to get all them damn settings on one screen...