Alienware 18 vs. Alienware M18x

Regarding the 780m/770m/765m vs. 680m scenario, I think we can all see that Fox has pushed the 780m sli as hard as it can be pushed right now. It's kind of proven that although he can beat his 680m sli setup, it's not by a massive margin, from what I can tell.

If you bear that in mind, if you drop the 780m Sli down to 770m sli, the difference is only just going to get wider in favour of a pair of finely tuned 680m's.

I don't think Nvidia would have made the 770m to be close to the 780m, so therefore, there IS going to be a margin. All of that is regardless to clocks etc. It just would not be wise to have a flagship card being given a run for its money by its cheaper sibling. If it did, why would anyone buy 780m's in the first place?

Again, it's proven that a finely tuned pair of 680m's highly OC'd do NOT melt.....although I'm sure Mr. Fox probably did as much as he could to try and melt them LOL - they are just awesome cards which OC very well and handle OC temps very well too....

Regarding clocks - just because I can rev my car engine at 9000rpm does not make it a Ferrari - if ya get me?

Just digging around for examples. (Fire Strike)

Here we have HaloGod2012's 765m's @ 1225/5800 1.1v, modded vBios: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 765M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4700MQ,Alienware 01W2J2 GPU = 7324

Here we have my stock 680m's no over volt, stock vBios: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2960XM Processor,Alienware M18xR1 GPU = 7442

Here we Have Mr. Fox's Crazy 680m's: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3920XM Processor Extreme Edition,Alienware M18xR2 GPU = 12217

Here we have Mr. Fox's Crazy 780m's: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4930MX,Alienware 01W2J2 GPU = 11953

Notice how the gpu scores for the 780m's arent as good as the 680m's from Mr. Fox ?? - and that even a rampant OC/OV on a pair of 765m's cannot beat my stock 680m's ??

That should tell you all you need to know......680m's are still very much 'top dog's' right now - even when compared to 780m's - at least as from what I can make out. ........if they (680m's) beat/compete with 780m's, 770m's aren't really gonna put up much more competition....

 

lol, where have you been the last month? Johnkss have beaten Fox record by over 15% with GTX 780M. In 3DMark 11.

GTX 780M is the top dog. Not 680M.

Also, Mr Fox oberclock record on 680M is 1130MHz. Now I dont know what mods he have done, but I can assure you that the GPUs are extremely hot at that point. Also his memory is only running at around 1150MHz, a limitation because the VRAM is low voltage.

As for GTX 765M, they are 768 core GPUs, having only a 128bit bus. 770M is 960 core with a 192bit bus. Two different worlds. I am certain that I can push a heck lot out of these GPUs, much more than 680M is able to, clockwise. But again, if Mr Fox did some mods to his 680M, I might not be able to since I dont plan to go that far. Remains to be seen though, and I really have no clue. Will be interesting to test them out next week

 

Yeah, John probably has.....with a dual PSU mod. - not the kind thing everyone wants to do....so I'm looking at results from a single PSU perspective.

Remember, I haven't had an Alienware computer - so I've not paid a huge amount of attention to benchies of late

 

I have both the 18 and the m18x.

Unlike most people, I do like the new design. I find it far more comfortable as it rests on my chest in bed.

The power of the 4th gen vs. 3rd or even 2nd is not too great, but the power to tdp is far better. If you are taking the computer anywhere, go for the newest model. You will definitely notice the difference in battery life.

The matte screen is a huge plus for me.

In the end, it's about your budget and desires personally. So yeah.

 

Ate you sure? The new AW18 battery is half the capacity.

 

Yes, but the power management is far better. Plus, almost any m18x you buy will be used, and the battery have lost part of its life.

Out of the box, I deep cycled my battery, and I went from 3 hours listening to spotify and typing in MSword to 4.5 starting with 100% battery. Deep cycling is a huge must for every portable lithium polymer based battery.

 

care to explain how one does that?

 

680M > 765M

680M > 770M

680M < 780M (factory clocks)

680M ~ 780M (overclocked)

 

You guys make me feel a better about my system replacement. I'm going to get an AW 18 with 770 sli tomorrow and I was looking into upgrading to the 780 out of pocket. I thought the 770 sli was junk compared to the 780 but you guys are saying they are more than capable of playing the latest games at decent settings. I called Alienware and 2 780m with the triple pipe heat sinks are going to cost about 2k which is a lot of money. I'm not a hard core gamer or do benchmarks so I don't think I'm going to need the 780 sli.

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Let's set the records straight on a few things I see getting kicked around here in this thread. Some of the comments I am reading about Haswell processors are kind of a stretch. Don't believe half of what you read in reviews by so-called professionals. Some of them are about as worthless as a box of rocks. Instead, believe what experienced enthusiasts tell you (or actively demonstrate) to be true as a matter of fact.

Under load, Haswell consumes more power than Sandy or Ivy Bridge. It is only more power efficient at idle speeds. Clock-for-clock it is indeed somewhat more efficient/powerful to a point, with diminishing returns at the higher end of the multiplier spectrum. The same was true between Ivy and Sandy. It remains to be seen if it has the overclocking capacity to be pushed hard enough to keep pace with Sandy/Ivy. If the threshold is lower, it may end up being really good but possibly not the best. That will be revealed in time, but it's not looking like a slam-dunk for Haswell so far. Right now, many Sandy/Ivy Extreme CPUs are topping the performance of Haswell Extreme CPU powered systems by a small margin when both are pushed toward their functional limits. The Haswell CPU tends to run hotter in the process, which may ultimately hinder it even more.

Brother John is a pro. Many might not realize it, but he does not wave a magic wand and use incantations to magically have excellent results. When we start to see a bunch of Alienware 18 owners with 4930MX/780M SLI matching or beating his benchmark M18xR2/780M SLI benchmark scores, then we can make some bolder statements than what we can right now. Let's take that a step further now. When we see a whole bunch of 780M SLI owners beating the 680M SLI benchmark results that I, John, Harlon and one or two other users have achieved with 680M SLI, then we will have something special to talk about. Some of the people making bold statements about this is better or that is better are relying on information rather than personal knowledge. Many have no earthly idea how much time and effort goes into achieving results like John and a few others of us have with benching regardless of what hardware is being used. Those results are not typical for the average user no matter what components they have. And yes, there are some tweaking and tuning secrets that have not, and probably never will be shared openly with the general public. These are not cheats. It is proprietary knowledge that helps you maintain an edge. It's not very useful for average gamers.

That depends. As far was battery life, my M18x battery is close to 2 years old and still runs around 5:15 on a full charge using IGFX. It is seldom ever deep cycled. It stays plugged in 24/7 90% of the time or more. It is a higher capacity battery, but all is fair in love and hardware.

I see comments here and there making reference to the new machines (17 and 18) having a smaller capacity battery and they are better anyway because the new tech is more power efficient. This rationale is only a crutch. At the end of the day, what gets measured is what matters, whether we're talking about benchmark scores or battery life. Any other measurement is just a rationalized excuse for not delivering the goods on battery life. You can't use something you don't have, LOL.

You're frequently right about a lot of things, but you're so far from accurate on this assurance/assumption that it's not even a little bit funny. The 680M cards in my system run remarkably cool at very high overclocks... MUCH cooler than the 780M SLI setup does in the 18. Where talking 10-20°C cooler in most cases under heavily overclocked conditions. This has a lot to do with the amount of power (watts, not just voltage,) being sucked into the 780M cards rather than the quality of the cooling system. Both machines have incredibly awesome cooling system.

In most games and benchmarks, the GPU memory clock speed makes a very small difference in FPS and benchmark scores. The majority of the performance comes from the core clock speeds, much the same as a CPU. Faster memory is better, without dispute, but it is often not very meaningful when measuring performance results. Also, I am running more voltage on my 680M than I am on the 780M. That's not the reason for the difference in memory clocks. It has more to do with memory chips and other components incorporated in the GPU assembly. The greater amount of voltage is primarily needed by the GPU core, not the memory. The 780M is definitely capable of taking more voltage than 680M is, but that's not much of an influential factor at the stock memory clock speed.

You have every reason to feel good. Congratulations on the beast headed your way. I am really excited for you, and I think you're going to love it. A lot of the debate here in 680M SLI vs 770M SLI vs 780M SLI is only as relevant as the tweaking and tuning capabilities of the end user. Having a more capable GPU does not help anyone any if they are not using it, or don't know how to use it. A similar rationale can also be applied in the case of a gamer choosing to go with 770M SLI and save some bucks. If it works great for the purpose intended, having 780M SLI is not going to help that individual. Having an extra $2,000 in the bank might be more important to some folks, as long as they can get their game on and have a great experience in the process. Upgrading from 680M SLI to 780M SLI in the M18xR2 also would not for exactly the same reasons. Same rationale having an Extreme CPU or an unlocked K series desktop CPU and never, ever, learning how to overclock it. What's the point?

 

Hey Fox, run a game for 1-2 hours with your 680M at 1130MHz (plus memory OC) have some software log the temperature, and post the graph here.

Im sorry but I dont believe for a second that the 680M run anywhere cool with that clock. I have seen Clevos and MSI @ 1000MHz getting closer to 90C.

Unless you run mod with that overclock, that 680M gonna be hooot.

Prove me wrong. I really have a hard time believing it will not run very hot. Yes 680M can withstand very high clocks with reasonable temperatures, no doubt about that. There are many that use Saltius/SVL VBIOS around 1000MHz, 24/7, But I was talking about running the GPU at 1130MHz.

Im not doubting that 780M runs hotter though. After all, its 1344 vs 1536 cores and memory that runs hotter.

Im glad you are happy.

I had the option to choose 780M SLI as well. Money was no issue, I had coupons with decent discounts ready which would have made the buy a pretty good buy. But in the end, I chose 770M SLI. They can max out pretty much all games, and you have HUGE OC headroom which makes it a lot more fun. I rather upgrade to GTX 880M next year instead, which will be cooler and a lot more powerful than 780M.

You may have heard that a GTX 780M is very powerful. Well with 770M you basically get around 25-30% better performance than that. Thats not too bad right?

 

Clevo and crappy MSI does not equal AW, noob. I've played at 1150+ for hours in bf3 with my old M18x and my max OC was around 1200 MHz. Temps never got above 82c in the most demanding situations and that's in Arizona where the weather is scorching hot. Oh yeah, the M18x I had was never run on a cooling pad either.

Here's the last benchmark run I did back nearly a YEAR ago:



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I call BS once again.

Look at your signature, the review TechInferno did. GTX 680M running at measly 792MHz got 72C on the Alienware 18, and you expect me to believe you got 82C on 1130MHz? Seriously?

Please post evidence that you got 1200MHz on the GTX 680M. The screenshot you posted is 1130MHz about same as Mr Fox got with his record. And neither of you have posted temperature measurements.

Im calling you out. Until you can post graphs that show a) You have gamed for 1-2 hours. And b) Clock of 1130MHz plus memory overclock, and temperature measurements that show 82C.

This has to be done without any mods, like fan control, cooling pad, open chassis, etc

 

Cloudfire calling me out, how cute. If you haven't noticed, I don't own the M18x anymore so I can't do any tests but you already knew that. However, I'm sure Mr. Fox can easily oblige if he feels like wasting his time and prove you wrong yet again. The fact that you tried equating AW with MSI cooling is enough to discredit you.

 

Right, so you have no evidence to back it up? Not the temperatures, not the 1200Mhz clock.

I dont believe it until I see it. Clevo doesnt have any bad cooling either Joker. Sure it may not be as far up there as Alienware, but they are pretty close. If they get around 90C on 1000MHz and cant do Furmark without trottling, Im sorry but I dont believe that you get 82C with hot ambient temperature on 1130MHz after gaming for several hours...

 

I never bothered taking a screen shot as it wasn't anything amazing (anyone can pretty much do it if they have a good sample). Clevo's were notorious for having poor GPU temps due to bad contact and many people modded them to get more reasonable results. MSI, well, that's single fan garbage so you can't even come close to equating it with AW.

And about that graph above, a measly 1000 MHz is overheating that Clevo right? Well look at the BF3 gaming video I have in my sig, I was gaming at around 940 MHz at the time and the temps never got above 67C AFAIK, maybe 1-2 degrees higher.

 

It sure is getting hot in here, like the GPUs. Big Brother ain't gonna be happy with the name callings.

 

Ok, just watched the video. Amazing temperatures for running so high clocks man.

But, we have conflicting information here:
The review from TechInferno have a graph showing 72C on 792MHz on the same machine as in the video.
But the video you posted, which also was from TechInferno shows 67C on 940MHz.

This doesnt make any sense. Unless you have modded the sample which is in the video.

 

Don't really know why the discrepancy is there TBH, could have been drivers that made the difference at the time since the 680M was newly released. Regardless, the M18x that I had only had a single low cost mod that anyone can do and that I've been pushing for a long time--it used laptop lifts permanently fixed to the bottom of it: Laptop Lifts - rubber feet that protect your computer from heat But that would only give it at most 2-5C advantage, not the huge discrepancy you see between the Clevo graph you posted and my BF3 results. Like I said, Clevo overheated due to poor contact, not because of lack of cooling capacity.

 

LOL and I call bs on choosing 770sli because it's more fun. No one chooses 3rd best because it's more fun if money is no object. That's like choosing a civic over a Ferrari, nah no way. 770sli can not max out any game. A 680 m SLI running +200 Core 400 memory barely gets good frames on metro and crisis 3 maxed out... Mxaa maxed everything maxed ect. And the set up is much better then a 770msli. So nope, your set up will struggle with the highest end games. Especially when games like bf4 come out. Gonna have to live with it.

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There are few games that will challenge a 770m SLI at max- worst case drop down some AA.. No biggie. If we're talking about 1080p gaming its not such a bad move to get them if one was holding out for the real GPU refresh, 880m
But if money is no object you're right. Unfortunately for most people it is, so smart money usually provails. But the thing is we all have a own agenda, heirachy of needs and priorities with these systems.

 

Cloud, I am really glad you're getting a new Alienware, and I'm glad you're spending time in the Alienware Community. I appreciate your excitement about this stuff. No disrespect, but it really makes no difference what you believe about some things and I don't need to prove anything. Joker has already burned enough calories on this for both of us. You're a very opinionated young man and I merely called you out for presenting misinformation as though it was some sort of fact about overclocked GPU temps concerning a machine--actually TWO MACHINES--that you've never used before. That is just so silly. So, the burden is on you bud. You're the one presenting information so you're the one that needs to back your statements with proof. Go out and buy both machines with the same config, spend a good while learning to use them correctly, and knock yourself out trying to prove that my 680M SLI setup runs extremely hot. While you're working on that, I will be doing other things.

 

Right, so I take that as I was right after all.

I already posted two reviews. One from Techinferno which gives an entirely different temperature and another one from a Clevo machine with almost 90C.

Unless you run mods on the machine, over 1000MHz will make the GPU HOT. Which was my point and where You Fox said I was wrong yet I see evidence pointing in the other direction.

Yes I am an opinionated, and have geniuine interest for this stuff. There seems to be some praise over GTX 680M over and over again, like it is a magical GPU, and everytime 780M is brought up, there are always a couple of people who have to bash down on it, yet 780M is superior. Not by a whole lot, but it is the best GPU out there today.

 

In what way were you right? The video I have is proof enough the GPUs do not come close to overheating and laptop lifts don't make 20C+ difference. You're wrong in every way.

 

So you are saying the review you are linking to is spreading misinformation?

That TechInferno should not be trusted?

Im sorry, but either your video or the review is highly wrong.

 

Neither is wrong, your interpretation and understanding is the flaw. The T|I review has a peak temp of 71C but the average is FAR lower at 57.7C. The biggest emphasis is always on an average, not a single data point that lasts a fraction of a second, that's why all 3 values (min/max/avg) were given. Besides, the temperature in the review was based on 3DMark 11, not BF3 and you specifically wanted gaming temps. Finally, the T|I review did not employ the use of laptop lifts so that the results would reflect a bone stock system, that's why the OC was limited as well.

 

I think both GPUs are awesome. If I had the discretionary funds I would purchase 780M SLI as an upgrade for my M18xR2 because I like number chasing and the 780M is better for that. Maybe later on I will, but I don't have the cash to spend on it right now. It would be really sad if the current flagship GPU where not slightly better than yesterday's flagship GPU. That would represent a massive failure on NVIDIA's part and I am glad it turned out as it did. Everything is as it should be in this regard.

But no, you are not correct about my 680M SLI running extremely hot over 1GHz on core. I am not disputing that might be the case on a Clevo machine. I have no idea, so I am not going to make assumptions about a Clevo and apply it to something else. And, it really makes no difference to me what happens on a Clevo because it does not affect me. If I had one, and it was running extremely hot, then I certainly would care. Since I do not, it is irrelevant. My only intent was to point out that you have no basis for presenting misinformation based on assumptions about my M18xR2 on account of how some other machine behaves. If you had used words like "might" or "maybe" or "I know with Clevo..." then it would have been recognized as an assumption rather than an unsupported statement of fact.

 

We are getting nowhere. We need graphs, showing clocks, time and temperature, since nobody is interested in showing any, I think we are done here.

I know that you guys probably doesnt care, but consider me extremely sceptical that a +1000MHz, that is +300MHz over stock clock, doesnt make the GPU hot. The fans on the Alienware (or Clevo) can move air, but they are nowhere close to pushing the amount of air a MSI fan is capable of. Two of those, one on top of each GPU, then yeah, I might have believed you guys. But thats not happening anytime soon anyways since they are enormous.

/discussion

 

Nobody is compelled to prove anything to you, believe what you want. The BF3 video in my sig with the GPU@941 mhz and peak temp of 67C is more than adequate yet you think we're lying and the systems must have been running on some magical modded cooling. Then there's your failure to properly interpret data points presented on a graph or in the case of Clevo, understand why the temps were so high on those systems. Enough time wasted by me, I'm sure someone with an M18x + 680M SLI can sit down and do the same if they feel like showing you up.

 

Hey Fox, do you run any mods on your M18x?

 

bro, believe these people, they speak the truth. Drop it, dust off the door knob, go for a walk and meet a nice young lady.

Edit: I just noticed the 18 only comes with 2x2 wifi cards? Did they really also remove the third antenna too..?

 

Well I still dont believe it until I see it.

Meh, will figure this out with my Alienware 18 anyways.

 

Well, Joker is a bit misleading here, I know for a fact that he has been using a special T|I internal only vbios for the video mentioned here. It's tweaked to lower the average load temperature by about 15°C, therefore allowing higher overclocking without running into heat issues.

But this still doesn't change that the Clevo heatsinks are cheap crap, especially compared with the AW ones. The MSI heatsinks might look better, but they don't fit well, the 780m gets to well above 90°C in many stock MSI systems.

 

Thanks for being honest.
That may explain why your review and his video show entirely different measurements.

For people running your/saltius vbios, aka 1000MHz/2400MHz, what temperature should one expect on the Alienware M18xR2?

Same for 1100MHz. I have hard time believing that we are not getting pretty close to 90C with 2-3 hour gaming sessions here. Even with a pretty good cooling system (still air cooled)

Also, what improvements is on the internal vbios. Lower voltage? Sounds very nice

 

Nah, there are some hidden settings in the vbios that activate some driver features which don't get used on the mobile SKUs. You could call it "high frequency mode" if that sounds fancy enough, resulting in the driver gating the cores differently, resulting in distinctly lower leakage current while keeping stability. No idea why Nvidia decided not to use this for the mobile cards, knowing them they probably keep this on the side for a upcoming rebadge of the 700m series. Just guessing, but looking at Nvidia's history this isn't really far-fetched.

Anyway, some cards can run 1GHz totally stable at stock voltage, ask littleone. Depending on the ambient temps I'd say he can run well below 75°C while having 1000MHz on the core constantly, no vbios mod whatsoever (M18x R2).

 

That vbios settings sounds really interesting SVL. Lower current leakage is like Alpha and Omega with notebooks where there are so slim temperature margins. I cannot fathom that Nvidia still havent enabled that with 700M because I just dont see any more Kepler high end cards coming from them. They should go allin with the 780M, it does run on the hot side and would benefit greatly for that card.

Its been a long time since I used my 680M but I remember it was hard getting the core clock up to 1000MHz with my MSI, and voltage was required. Same with some Clevo's if I remember right with throttling if you didnt feed it enough voltage. I guess some were lucky they got such a stable card. I can see that temps go down when you are not overvolting though.

 

Wow; talk about a dead horse being beaten I really don't hope PETA doesn't get involved for the implicit damage done to said horse

Cliffs notes:
1. 780m is the best mobile GPU; both stock and OC. Is it worth the price over the 680m? That's up to YOU (anyone reading this) to decide based on their budget and priorities. It's final performance has yet to be seen and buying it now is a calculated risk. Have a cup of coffee and figure out what you want to do.
2. The 680m is an amazing card with amazing overclocking ability.

3. Most importantly. It's absolutely stupid and pointless in my opinion to be talking about costs/benefits of comparing a mobile refresh of Kepler (700 series) (600 series).
A. Refresh usually doesn't give much bang for the buck over the original launch of the new product on the new fab process.
B. Talking about costs/benefits when typing from a machine that is likely 3k+ is already a laughable notion for 99.999% of the population. If you can afford a 3-5k computer, then you likely are an enthusiast gamer or lover of technology and appreciate that real bumps in power come from the successor and not the refresh. Maxwell is the next GPU.
C. Who knows when Maxwell will launch. Who knows ANYTHING about it's power? No one on here. It's all speculation. NEVER buy something purely on speculation. How many people would have thought the 5870 mobility would have been as weak as it was and live as long as it did? It wasn't much better than the 4870 mobility. How many people would have thought the 6970 mobility would double the performance of the 5870m and to quote Brian (Joker) "The 6970m is what the 5870m should have been." Who would have thought that 2 months after the 6970m launches that a 6990 would replace it with 20% faster performance? Who would have thought that one year later the performance of the 6990 would be doubled by Kepler?

So let's quit the ing over semantics. Get the best you can afford and prepare to be unprepared for the future of technology. Let's say the initial Maxwell launches just perfectly with no problems and doubles performance. maybe it's refresh is capable of 50% improvement? Maybe Volta quadruples Maxwell? Who cares. Enjoy what you have today. Make the most of it.

There is very very little "future proofing" in the desktop world; let alone the notebook world. The best of tomorrow is the worst of the day after. One thing is for certain, at 1080p, high end SLI/CF systems are quite capable of playing anything today. Who knows about tomorrow. However an educated guess is that it will play anything at native resolution as my "old" 580m SLI plays everything at native resolution and at LEAST high settings; most at ultra. The 580 is over 2 years old and has been over doubled in benching performance. Yet it plays everything on high. We are at a point where the main issue isn't going to be power, but resolution display on the notebooks. At 1080p anything over Kepler for the foreseeable future is overkill. That doesn't mean to NOT buy Maxwell for enthusiasts and MAYBE AW will upgrade the resolution. Let's just wait and see.

Now can we call off the PETA police and let the dead horse rest in pieces?

 

You should head over to TechInferno and ask SVL kindly for a vbios with the enhancements for your 780Ms, daveh.

 

It was the first thing I did to my system my friend

 

You don't see any more high-end Kepler cards coming from them? Well, they re-re-badged the 485m as 675m, and they even released some re-re-re-badged Fermi chips and released them in the 700 series. When it comes to Nvidia & re-badging I'm ready to expect anything.

Anyway, why should they push this when there's currently no need for it? Besides, AMD might come up with some new hardware before Nvidia does, so they want to have some aces up their sleeve, just guessing, no idea about the twisted strategy of company green.

Nvidia might have even more things ready... a closer look at some of the driver files of the latest beta indicates that you believe about everything that your favorite GPU vendor

Seriously, I think it's time to stop this non-sense before people really come and ask me about such a magic vbios, though I don't think many are that thick to actually believe my and bull story to be true.
Dude, wake up, I'm not Harry Potter, leakage currents in semi conductors increase with higher frequency, you can't beat physics. And about that temperature drop of 15°C... there's no way this can be done by a simple vbios trick, but it still is kinda true, and that's the whole point of it, all you need is a quality heatsink. Load temperature differs by more than 20°C between AW and Clevo systems, both using the same card, same vbios, same drivers and whatsoever.

You'll get your AW soon and then you'll notice the difference, I hope...

I'm outta here.

Cheers!

 

I meant better than GTX 780M. Its a full GK104, they have no more desktop GPUs to pick from. They cant do Titan or GTX 780, GK110, and GTX 780M run hot, so 780M is most likely the greatest mobile card we will get from Kepler.

I did actually believe you had a better vbios with greater enhancements. I have no experience with modding vbios, so dont blame me for thinking you had one.

You hurl around insult "many are that thick to believe me and my bull story" and have done several times in this forum, especially against me and its sad to see. Im not sure if you have some superiority issues, but you lower yourself down to a pretty pathetic level when you make up stories like that to trick people.

 

I think everyone means well in this thread. At the end of the day there are different people, opinions, professions, cultures and biases that come into play and we all can only 'infer' over written word which is misinterpreted. I'm just saying I think we sometimes forget we all are gamers (and more) who represent a solid community of Alienware enthusiasts. Let's all waive the white flag, sit back, and remember we are part of a niche family-like community where help is only a click away, and are typing on some of the most powerful hardware in the world.

A lot of this is in good fun. We all have our system preferences and that is OK. Let's get back to more constructive comments in other threads and let this one fizzle away
Peace and Frag On.

Edit: Cloudfire, the Vbios is nice as it has the system running the clocks at 850mhz Vs 823 or whatever came stock. There are probably other tweaks more knowledgeable members could expand upon. It's been rock solid since flashing and I am impressed with my scores when OC'ed and my 24/7 temps on the slightly OC'ed 850mhz per card. I'd recommend it for anyone getting the Alienware 18 and definitely for those looking to push the cards to the limits.

 

Wow..hook line and sinker. And the idea was mine to see if you would really believe something so far fetched as long as it fit your agenda of thinking me and Mr Fox are liars.

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Thanks for the detailed review on the 770 vs 680m ..appreciate it ..also I posted multiple times accidentally ..new to tapatalk 4
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It's good to challenge when one has adequate knowledge and ability but if one wants to learn ...the idea is not to challenge someone ...but to ask and learn ....brother fox really doesn't need to prove anything ...if he says it he can of course back it up ...he has been so active on this community along with so many others. ..and they have done And proven more than what is required time and time again ...I am glad he isn't wasting his energy anymore ..also I guess my simple 770 vs 680 question ....really started this ...lol .





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Uhm, pretty sure many would believe that since they have no experience with modifying vbios but rather just using a finished one.

I havent called anyone a liar. I said I wanted to see evidence before beliving it. Big difference there. And since there was a review with lower clocks running hotter than the video with higher clocks, I had absolutely the right to be sceptical.

I found a video with Fox playing Metro with 1100MHz with pretty amazing temperatures, and I asked him "Hey Fox, have you modified your notebook?", but he didnt reply.

I thought Clevo had same quality with cooling since both are dual fans, and Clevos run close to 90C with just 1000MHz, like I posted earlier.

So yeah, no wonder why Im sceptical. But I will benchmark my Alienware 18 and see for myself when i get it

 

The third antenna is still there.

 

But they are not including 3x3 cards? Why..

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