Alienware Liquid cooled laptop by Asetek

At least they said we can do it!!!

 

I don't disagree. We can certainly give them a gold star for effort and good intentions. It's always cool to see a mod like this.

It won't be considered a real win in my book unless the effort produces phenomenal results. I'm looking forward to seeing if the phenomenal results are forthcoming.

 

All we need to see is the true frequencies and temps. They aren't benchers and won't be able to produce phenomenal results, IMHO. It's the relative comparison what matters here.

 

Haha, that's true bro!

 

So, there is a lot of potentials behind the particular initiative and the public expectations; the question still remains: why this project was closed?

 

That could be misinformation. The information posted by Asetek was recent, so I would be surprised if the project was closed.

 

So, let's mantain the hope... ( i'm a devoted junkie of new initiatives and developments )

 

That's true MR. Fox, but ho know!

 

sounds cool

 

strange, the asetek guy from youtube responded to me with this

"Currently it's a prototype. It would be up to manufacturers to utilize Asetek liquid cooling in their notebooks."

 

The press release from Asetek is dated Tuesday, March 20th 2012. It would make no sense for them to provide a press release on a closed or cancelled project.

News - Asetek, Inc.

That's why I think the comment between friends was misinformation.

That sounds like a very credible statement.

 

nice find...

 

I'm particularly glad and enthusiastic that they choose an AW machine to show the prototyping...

 

You are very enthusiastic indeed , Brother SOS4Dell, but I wonder, how come you don't own AW products (or maybe you just don't put it in your sig? )? I remember, you mentioned that you gave it a shot but due to some QC issues you abandoned your beast. Are you going to give Dellienware another chance or going with a different vendor?

 

Hi Aiki! Thank you for your kind interest. Of course AW is my predilect but... I had to return my machine long time ago. Then I had to have some surgeries... and other related expenses... Well, as soon as my economy comes healthy again, certainly I will embrasse again an alien... After all, aren't we all 'aliens' in this universe?

 

Health comes first, M8! Then the economy. Don't worry, Aliens can wait

 

They should get noctua to make some fans for laptops

 

Wow, here's yet another thread on the same topic... LOL.

Did anyone else notice the coolant reservoir/pump assembly appears to be located in the M18x battery bay? Assuming the schematic in the video is accurate, the battery will need to be smaller (fewer cells) to make room for it.

 

That is actually true, Mr.Fox, i just got confirmation from my Asetek contact that the number of cells needs to be reduced in order to fit the pump.

So it's less battery life in exchange for 'cooling performance'.

 

How often do you run a m18x without being plugged in though?

 

In that case, pass.

Maybe try and fit it in a hard drive bay or something instead?

 

Well, I'm getting a M18x on the next few months... and I'm not getting this technology unless Alienware pre-fit this water cooling modification and see what's the sacriface we have to take in order to get this... a smaller battery? no dvd drive? one less hard drive ?? who knows..

Besides want to see some real numbers, not benchmarks number, yet, temperature number stock cooling vs water cooling (at the same frecuency and the same enviroment), I'm specting at least 5-10°C difference.

 

That's true, in my opinion it's an insignificant loss.

 

Asetek Unveils Liquid-Cooled Notebook Prototype

I would gladly buy this - even if the cooling system was $300 haha

Discuss

 

Join the party

http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware/652499-alienware-liquid-cooled-laptop-asetek.html

 

From what I understand, this design is not meant for the retail market, but rather as a prototype of possible cooling system for manufacturers to decide to implement it.

Dell just as well may say "meh". Note that Nvidia Kepler will be in a significant part focused on bringing more performance for less Wattage than e.g. the Fermi line did, and less Wattage means less heat stress. Let's see if liquid cooling will be actually worth the effort. Plus, its price will be significantly higher than the standard cooling.

On another note, studying these schemes, where did they put the pump? It seems it's somewhere when normally the battery bay is. Looks like they removed the battery and modified the bay to place the pump there. This means that to implement this cooling Dell would have to design/manufacture a new series of m18x batteries = extra costs and that's working against this coming true, especially if its cooling performance does not stun.

 

Yep, I wouldn't care much about that either. Having 4.5 to 5 hours on the IGP certainly is "nice" but the bottom line is I own an Alienware M18x for performance. I really don't give a rat's tail about the battery life at the end of the day. Having 45 minutes to an hour will do fine for a quick email check between flights, LOL. Otherwise, I never run without being tapped into a wall outlet. I would choose the cooling performance over battery life in a heartbeat, assuming it were to really work as well or better than using an AC unit for overclocking.

 

Well I am now part of this party. I would gladly pay for this. While it may not seem like much potential for cooling...it is. The advantage is that the GPUs have always had more cooling than needed while the CPU has not enough. This design would pool those cooling resources and help keep the CPU cooler - which is the main challenge when overclocking this laptop I found. And of course, we could overclock and bench better than them, I am confident that the cooling is better though and would allow us to go further than we are currently.

 

thanks, bro +1

You're absolutely correct (as usual) about this. CPU temps are definitely the challenge for XM overclockers. I don't think I have ever seen my video cards get too hot while benching. I still want to see the proof, (their demo is not all that convincing,) but I'd also join you and buy it without hesitation if it works as well as it should.

Hopefully, it will turn out to be more than a prototype available only for OEM installation.

 

Ya this I would agree with 100%. My R2 has never been really used on battery, the GPU's throttle down to such horrible levels, it's not even worth considering. I would like something as a battery backup, but that is it. Big Alienware laptops are NOT meant to be run on battery, and assuming one will work is foolish.

 

Wait the M18x has a battery

 

Yes, it certainly does. The point that was being made is that the water cooling device takes up part of the battery bay and a smaller (lower capacity) battery is needed to make room for the pump/reservoir. So, the 4.5 to 5 hours battery life the M18x has on the IGP is going to be sacrificed in the name of enhanced performance and overclocking capabilities with liquid cooling. This would be a more than fair trade-off to some of us.

 

This is inconceivable! Do you guys really know the potential of such a thing? They (Alienware or whoever) can now make systems with far greater power than they ever could before. They just need to make the tech fit inside a smaller system like a new M15x for example. Imagine an M15x with an i7 2700k (or the ivy bridge level of this, don't know the name) and a GTX680m. Holy crud that would be sweet. Now all they need to do is figure out how to store more power in the same size battery.

 

I'd like to have a some what portable system.

 

Very interesting indeed...
But...Im thinking the best place for this pump would be to remove one of the fans and put it there. Preferably the second GPU fan. That way you would keep all components and no lost of battery space or dvd drive. And since most rad's run dual fans....these fans should suffice..(speculation of course)

And that 48 fps was looking pretty low for dual over clocked 6990m's you can get close to that with just one card at that section of the bench....

And not everyone will be rushing in to change to many cpus or gpus. And just like desktop setups..Allot of the time you have to take the whole thing apart anyway to get to your gpus and or cpu as well....

Hope this idea doesn't play out like the last potentially good one someone had...
IDF - Hot Gaming Notebooks Get Air Conditioning - Embraco Brings Refrigeration To Gamings Notebooks - Legit Reviews

 

It's a real shame that mini-AC unit never took off.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/accessories/496331-laptop-cooler-cools-air-2.html#post6426897

http://www.dvhardware.net/article29263.html

 

I remember that second one. It's what they used to over clock the w90 when it first came out.

 

Getting this the day it comes out. I don't like seeing temps over 85 on my GPUs.
Scares me.

It probably won't cut down on fan noise though. Maybe even MORE noise to cool those rads. They'll have to be thick as hell to cool this beast.

 

If this means cooler and quieter laptops I am all for it. But I reckon it will only be used inside notebooks like M18x due to the size of the chassis plus that is where you find most people who are willing to pay for it

 

I don't see why they don't just add more heat pipes, it would do the same job but it wouldn't have as high of a chance of leaking and it wouldn't consume battery power.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have this, just saying that it's probably not the best solution.

 

It's really not necessary except for systems that have an overclocked XM CPU. The stock M18x cooling system is more than adequate for average users that are running stock configurations. My 580M SLI temps are seldom more than 72°C to 79°C, even when heavily overclocked. The overclocked CPU temps under load are far more difficult to manage above 4.0 to 4.5GHz, depending on ambient temps.

 

Yes, I agree with that. More/bigger heat pipes and radiators would do a good job with no risks and no extra maintenance hassle. All they need is to add 1 or 2 pipes on the CPU HS, make all GPU/CPU radiators from copper vs aluminum and add surface area (fins). Even the stock fans would be sufficient but they also could use bigger ones (like Clevo does) and get even better results. If we look at the M18xR1, it only needs an extra 20-30W improvement on the CPU HS to allow 4.5ghz+ 24/7 with no external cooling. And the cost of such a heat sink would be ~30$ (vs the 20 for the stock 2-piped HS).

 

Hummm...3 pipe heat sink would have been a win win, but for some reason they chose not to follow up....darn shame really....because it REALLY does work....

 

Would this increase the weight of the M18x in any significant way?

 

Maybe by 2 pounds im thinking...speculation of course

 

Not enough weight that it would make me hesitant. I don't really consider the M18x to be all that big and heavy like some folks do. It's a piece of cake to travel with IMHO. My only real concern would be damage from liquid leakage during travel.

 

Well, it barely fits in the TSA trays haha (does it fit? I use the Checkpoint friendly bag so have never verified lol). Piece of cake? Maybe....

 

If it really works, this is my only reaction

http://motivpic.com/users-data/pics/1/17/shut-up-and-take-my-money-1f46.jpg

 

That reminds me something

You might get blamed as "terrorist" because of liquid leakage , lol