Dell 580m "throttle" contact group

Guyz,
I would really recommend you to use this VBios from here it removes power thorttling completely...
you can have here
http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...throtting-fix-no-need-modify-system-bios.html

I recommended to go with 0.92V vbios... i safely run at Stock clocks without throttling and overclock upto 750/1500/1668
I'm using m17x with single GPU and using HWinfo64 to boost fans to speed at max when temp goes above 60°C(set to 5K but goes upto 4300) and this is concluded the throttling gone for Temps as well as power... Since you are in SLI config the problem would be solved for you for sure... Hope this helps...

Regards!

 

Thanks...I really hope I don't mess things up...now to find my USB.....

 

thought you already did this?

 

No I did a lot with the bios to get rid of latency....anything i should know?......I already have the files.

 

nope. just make sure you're not over clocked and flash away.

 

What is the "620/620 flash" thing all about that you mentioned yesterday? Is that the clock speed needed for proper vBIOS flashing, or something else?

 

meaning the vbios is flashed p0/p1 state to the same. thus killing throttle or making it about 99 percent effective

 

Hey Guyz!
I have noticed one more point that my system used to throttle after it hits 77°C+ temps but now after i installed the new drivers 285.62 my temps throttling has also gone now in furmark too i can go easily upto 90°C+ temps without throttling... did anyone noticed the same... now i get 0% throttlng with this bios i update above and this drivers available on Nvidia website even dell is offering beta drivers now for 285.62(you can check dell website too) Please keep posting your results after running furmark...

Regards!

 

Nono i did not mean the temps go higher with new driver; i mean that first it use to throttle as soon i reach 77°C+ temps in Furmark but with this drivers the temps throttle too is gone for me... I can go 90°C+ temps but still furmark continues without throttling... I need to keep HWINFO64 turned on at background if its off the system throttles at 77°C+ temps...

Regards!

 

hello guys, is the throttling issue on 580m's now solved?

 

why, are you having throttling issues?

 

Because he is on stock vBIOS and in certain games at max settings the p1 state causes noticable throttling.

 

hummmm, i thought we told everyone "new and old" to switch to our 620/620 or dell 620/475...

 

yeah it happened yesterday in only 1 game (bfbc2) now i updated my drivers into beta, so far no throttles for meantime.

what do you mean by this new and old john? im still running on A04 bios. sorry for being noobish but idk if the latency of a04 affects the throttling?

 

We're talking about vBIOS. That's what causes the slight throttling.

 

new and old meant "new and old users" my self included..

 

Yes, I've definitely heard it, but I'm still waiting to see the step-by-step guide for the M18x GTX 580M vBIOS update. The Dell 620/475 version of the vBIOS still causes slowdowns in some games and benchmarks.

I understand that the "real throttle fix" is to make the core, shader and memory clocks for the P1 state the same as the P0 (full speed) power state. So, when the "throttle" kicks in there is no change in speed even though a change in power stepping still occurs as designed by Dell. In concept, it could not be any easier. There's zero danger in that 620/620 tweak because you are not increasing the clock speeds or voltage from factory maximum settings. Ultimately, while the throttle still occurs it is completely irrelevant with this arrangement.

Doing this with the NVIDIA power stepping is conceptually identical to what I did with my first M18x with AMD 6970M CrossFire. It had buggy video modules and did all kinds of strange things. Drivers were constantly crashing, games freezing, etc. Once I made all the power states the same speed and voltage settings as maximum factory defaults, those cards behaved perfectly running that way. It was murder on battery life, but it worked while I was waiting on replacement parts that were on a never-ending backorder.

I did already read widezu69's thread for the single 580M GPU setup on the M17x R3 and I am pretty sure I could do it using a DOS prompt with switches to flash one GPU at a time exactly as I had done with my R2 and its 5870 CrossFire setup using RBE for the AMD cards... I'm just waiting to see a guide with the tools, steps and modified vBIOS ROM from one of our experienced M18x 580M SLI owners so I don't make a costly mistake. If it's already posted, I have not stumbled upon that yet. (If that sounds like a hint, it is. )

 

our command is different though
nvflash index=0 -5 -6 "name of vbios"
nvflash index=1 -5 -6 "name of vbios"

you make a bat file and put that in there. one for each card.
then you can flash at will between different bios files...
short version of the story.

 

I have that part figured out. I've used batch files for many years and still feel as comfortable using MS-DOS commands as I did back in the 80's. I just don't want any "uh-oh" moments for any of our less experienced Community Members. I'm sure that there are some M18x owners that would take the leap with an easy to follow tutorial, even though they have no experience to draw from. Since I have not taken the leap yet myself, I'm not in a good position to provide a tutorial. I have not found the time to become intimately acquainted with the NVIDIA editing tools since I am a recent Team Red convert.

 

YEP...for me...
Visit:
[Solved] Alienware M17x R3 Nvidia 580M Throttle at 77°C+ temps Furmark graph - YouTube

Regards!

 

this aint those days. and since the m18x can boot off of on board video. you still can flash a bricked card.

 

So, if I am interpreting what you shared with us correctly, you solved throttling on your M17x R3 with the 580M GPU but using HWiNFO64 to force the fans to speed up at 60°C; and by doing so, the cards do not have an opportunity to reach the 77°C trigger point under load that causes throttling to occur. Is this correct?

 

Have you already tried this? I know this can work on a desktop PC, but I'm not sure it will work with the MUX switch arrangement in the M18x. The dead 6990M cards in my last system prevented the system from booting off the IGP until the GPU modules were physically removed. The BIOS would not "find" the IGP while they were in their PCIe slots. On a desktop you can also change the video device boot order and I don't see an option to do that with the standard M18x BIOS. Does this switch show up with the unlocked BIOS as it does on a desktop mobo?

 

No not exactly...My temps do reach around 80°C when gaming. All it does is that It helps keep temps down further but since Hwinfo is kept ON in background the temp throttle is bypassed some how the temp reach 85-90°C in Furmark still no throttle to 73Mhz (as see n in video) does not happen... If Hwinfo is turned off you can see same throttle graph in video above in youtube... maybe Hwinfo is interfering somehow with vbios to bypass the throttle at 77°C+ temps since its taking complete control...

Hope this helps...

Regards!

 

Wow, that is interesting, indeed. I'll have to try that to see if HWiNFO64 affects the M18x with two 580M GPUs in the same manner as the R3. Does simply moving the slider over to max and setting the button for manual override have the same effect, or do you have to actually set a custom configuration profile to achieve the effect?

 

Just make sure to use the same version HWinfo64 specified its tested in that...i tried later version but had hell of latency and makes game playing completely unplayable...

Regards!

 

I just tried it using the same HWiNFO64 version mentioned on YouTube and it did not really change anything for M18x. Furmark constantly trottles between 475 and 620, and starts doing that about 3 or 4 seconds after Furmark launches even with the manual profiles. At 620 the FPS are 100+ and at 475 they drop to around 60 FPS. This must affect the M17x R3 differently for some reason. This happens even though my temps are staying at or below 65°C.

 

Hi,
Sorry i update the Description on youtube forgot to mention the that You need the Widezu69 vbios... for same clocks... With hwinfo you will not throttle to 2D clocks when temp reaches hits 77°C+...

Regards!

 

As noted in the opening post: *** This thread is reserved for organized community contact with Dell ***

I put the M18x 580M Throttle Fix into a thread of its own for discussion and testing. That will also eliminate the need for new members and lurkers to have to hunt for the instructions buried in another thread.

If anyone wants to add to the fix a comprehensive tutorial on a mod to the P1 state involving a vBIOS flash, it would be a welcome addition for those that are interested in taking that route. If we do that, I will update the thread title to reflect that tutorials for both methods are provided. (The tutorial for the M17x R3 is excellent for M17x R3 owners, but not clear for many M18x owners.)

You'll find the new thread here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...-throttle-fix-no-vbios-flashing-required.html

 

ill check it and see...but with the unlocked bios...there is an option for you to see all the cards in your machine. ill post a pic in a bit.

 

Here was an interesting discovery regarding the DPC latency and the 580M... LINK

As this conference call is long since past, we are closing the thread as we did for the AMD Conference Call thread. For NVIDIA-specific issues and discussion, please use this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...s-performance-problems-discussion-thread.html