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^^^ true
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Dandan, You forgot 1 less space for HDD
And yes, a small chunk of vomit enters my throat when I see that bezel.
Are you certain about the Heatsink? Are they all given the same stingy 2 pipe?
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screw that toy for a 5year old?
be a man and tell me you're 65years of age
and you care who what thinks
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Design taste is always tricky so I get if I am stepping on some toes here. I can understand why Dell used so many years to work on this new design. They have to consider what will sell and how much they will gain and lose.
I`m just happy they went this route
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2 pipe price-cut heatsinks for GPU's
I dont care how the old or new alienware looks, it depends what is your take on it. I take my m18xr2 as real powerhouse to do anything I need, work, family of some spare time to game, it rules it all, to say that it looks like toy for kids? To me it looks like something I want to see sitting on my home desk, or my office, regardless. Yea right tell me the tron light efects are way better more "non-toy" like option for new alienware
just stop
in either way both are GAMING HIGH PERFORMANCE laptops and were designed with idea in mind for generation young kids to have fun, and if you chose to switch light effects off either will look as a PRO machine and aint no kids toy unless you can afford to buy few of those to throw on your fancy bed that daddy has bought you, then yea , its a kids toy in your eyes. To those bashing on how it looks and how they feel about old vs new, I dont care because of pure simple reasons, laptop does what I need to do and it satisfies my aesthetics, by no means I could care who says something about me or my stuff as at the end of the day the same person couldn't care more less anything about what would I say about in return. I know my ways, I know how to evaluate good from bad, expensive from cheap, well built and price-cut design, and yet you random guys dare to judge which is better without a single real life hands on experience on new m18 that it is this and that better? I think that is lame and childish to say. I just would have loved if they redesigned it other way but not the way it has been done, and to come up with such propostorous design... it could have been done in by no means LONG TIME, would have taken more less 2 days to come up with somewhat better if I was an employee of dell/aw group etc. However it aint up to me, and they have their own "pro's" and "designer's" that "know" better, and I hope for them it will turn out better than it was before, not that I really care.
for now final thoughts from me are - I like the design of older over the newer.
I would love to upgrade to newest haswell platform (have a donor motherboard from new 18 if it was left identical as from R1 to R2, but this aint an option any more since they have changed mmost everything in design)
I would only love to do the upgrade on hardware because I dont like the new design but I love the new hardware.
I guess I will have to live till the end with the m18xR2 till it renders useless and then will see what will I do, unless they will come up with better design with new years models.
For now Im married to m18xR2
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MX CPU's definately 3 pipe, but GPUs are now only 2pipe
refer here:
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Guys, regarding the gpu heatsinks, sometimes you gotta think like 'less is more' - sure, they may be dual piped vs. triple in the R1/R2, but if they are bigger pipes that are more efficient in dissipating heat than 3 small pipes, I'm all for it. I read somewhere recently that the guy who just got his 18 (blackjacks??) said the machine was very quiet under load and if I recall correctly, the gpu temps were around 64c - which I'd settle for in a heartbeat. If whatever they stick in makes it cool and quiet, I wouldn't mind if it was my old grandpa's smoking pipe LOL
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Killer performance always comes at a premium premium price tag. There are not any inexpensive M18x killers. I wonder if these guys spent less money with monitors, keyboards and extra stuff when they built their SLI and CrossFried monster systems strong enough to keep up with the M18x? If so, how much less?
Not too many "M" series dual-GPU computers in these lists...
Even if they saved a few bucks, I bet they are not particularly happy about the idea of getting beat by, or just barely beating a laptop. And, it's not just a few desktops getting beat by the M18x. If you save a few bucks on a desktop, it's not necessarily the equivalent performance. And, it can't sit on your lap in the living room, or go with you when you make a trip across the country. If you spend the same amount of money building a desktop, then yeah... M18x gets beat... no question. How bad it gets beat depends on how much money is spent on the desktop build. But, keeping up with the M18x is not an inexpensive hobby for desktop owners, LOL.
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I know... I kicked around the idea of building myself another desktop strong enough to outdo my M18x by a fairly wide margin not too long ago. A pair of high end GPU, an Extreme or top end K-series CPU, pro-grade mobo, high end memory, strong PSU, nice case, premium cooling system, nice monitor, nice keyboard... starts adding up to some big bucks pretty fast. Plus, there is simply no point (in my mind) on setting out on a mission to build a desktop that performs LIKE my M18x... that would be kind of dumb, since I already own the M18x.
Then I thought about it staying parked on a desk in one room.
Didn't take too long to talk myself out of it. If I am going to spend that much, might as well save a bundle by upgrading from 680M SLI to 780M SLI or just bite the bullet and go buy a new 18 with 4930MX and 780M SLI.
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LOL
I already stated my opinion about the new vs old look earlier in the thread, but your comments were quite funny, sir
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I quit caring what other people think about it a long time ago, LOL. The only opinion that matters is one's own. When it comes to appearance, what matters most is that you like what you have. If not, get rid of it and get something you do. For every person that doesn't like the old design there are probably two that do. I think both of them are nice looking. The new look is closer to ordinary, but some people like ordinary. Average looks have been a selling point for Clevo among people that like that for a good while now. Some folks don't like to attract attention, and there is nothing wrong with that. I have had my M18x R2 (and the M17x R2 before it) out in public frequently and the attention received is overwhelmingly positive. The opinions that haven't been positive are definitely in the minority.
Performance is different because it can be measured. That said, there is nothing quite as humiliating as having your hind end torn off and handed back to you by a 5 year old.
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lol what kind of public place did people approach you and comment on the M18x? I'd imagine if you went to a cafe with macheads with their thin little macs, opened up that monstreous creation with lights everywhere, they raise a few eyebrows. A mixture of "wow thats huge" and "Sound the alarm, an enemy in our lair"
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssssssssss...
anyways i don't knock people for buying the 18 {maybe if they sold themselves out at anything less than 780's} but a good tool like a good lappy performs well, is reliable and gets your work done. a GREAT lappy makes you smile and inspires you to do so much more with it than just use it like a good tool. that's why i'm in the m18x camp cause for it's childish charm there is no other laptop on the market that equals the satisfaction of just seeing you have one let alone using one.
side by side i don't care if the 18's a better performer, all i know is an mx can do what i want and put a huge grin on my face whilst doing it, and for that it's unique for being an inspiration heartwarmer... from a notebook no less! that's what all notebook makers should work towards cause gamers and graphic artists don't wear suits, don't act mature, and don't need the professional seriousness in their workbenches, their work speaks forthemselves. well this budding artist doesn't want serious anyways
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Ha ha! That could definitely happen.
But, no... on a more serious note... the two only negative reactions I clearly remember were from Mac-dudes. They were young men, not particularly manly, and did not seem very intelligent based on my interaction with them. They are definitely the exception, though. I find Mac-lovers are typically more interested in it than PC users. Perhaps because they are used to spending a lot on computers and view themselves as having an interest in high quality products.
Most of the public exposure is airports and sitting in First Class on a flight. So, the engagement is mainly business professionals that want to know things like, "What in God's name is that monster?" and savvy gamers than recognize what it is. Both groups like it and are full of questions. There has been more than just a few that know about the M18x, want one, but say they can't afford it.
Besides not liking coffee that much, I never go to the trendy bistros, cafes or coffee shops because I don't hang out with people that camp out in social venues like that. I have nothing in common with most of them and want it to stay that way.
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I agree with everything else you said in your post, Brother Dave - spot on. I personally wouldn't agree with the above though. In my humble opinion, Apple 'aesthetics' are basically 'zero aesthetics'. Those Apple Mac's, to me, look extremely boring and bland with absolutely zero flair and nothing of note that stands out. Just plain ole boring to look at really, and I liken them to carrying around a silver-grey slab of nothingness, which probably is an accurate reflection of their owners, who the majority of tend to be yuppies that probably find a minimalistic bare open plan apartment appealing, that has no colour or personality inside either. When I use my beast, just the look of it, opening it up, feeling the solidity of it etc inspires me to want to use it even more. Can't honestly say I'd get that with a CrapBook.
Even if they were as powerful as our beloved beasts, I would not covet one whatsoever. I'm not trying to decry Apple owners, each to their own I guess. I just personally don't see them as being anything other than minimalistic boring crap that are primarily bought 'en masse' by sheep who want to be seen as 'owning an Apple' more so than a computer.
Just my two pennies though
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Minimalism has its appeal. It's nice to see that Apple knows what design it wants. I'm not in love with the designs of Macbooks, but simply having a consistent aesthetic instead of looking like a hobbled-together bundle of materials puts them ahead of most competitors.
For comparison:
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LOL. Funny words, brother steve, but I have to politely disagree about the statements I underlined. I fail to see where a full-metal body is boring and commonplace in a world (that Apple started changing by developing technology everyone copied--Window-based OS for instance) in which notebooks have often looked like black/dark greyed glossy rectangles with the sign "fragile" written all over it.
I also disagree that owning an Apple computer reflects inner-greyness and a boring personality. On the contrary, historically Apple computers have always been devices used by very creative people: artistis, writers, screen-players, photographers, graphic designers, and many more. You cannot link Apple to one single social layer of users and claim that boring people chose boring computers. If you say that apple lacks flare, I say that their design is minimalistic and simple, yet classy, as usually good-quality classy things are. In order not to be boring something doesn't necessarily have to be flashy colored and fully lit. Moreover, there are many people, like myself, that are able to appreciate both worlds and are open-minded enough to like a sleek and flary beast like the M18x and a simple device like a Mac-book Air that exudes class like no other. I said this before: loving one brand shouldn't necessarily be a reason to hate another
My 0.2 cents
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I know that some of you think so, although I totally disagree with the idea that Apple innovation and performance is lost in anonymous design. Apple changed, and in many cases, made history (technologically speaking). I think that oftentimes some people fail to see class in simplicity. I make fault to none for that. We are all unique and different after all
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I only quoted the part I agree with, which has to do with the appearance of the hardware. I did not quote the part about the people. Some are definitely yuppies that own Apple because their friends do, they want to be seen as part of the group, and their parents buy them whatever they ask for.
Not all of them are like that. I have family members that like Apple products. I still love them. And, you're still my friend, too brother rafix73.
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Eh eh, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, dear brother Fox
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We can't fault a brand, and blame it, for the kind of people, who among many, buy its products. It would be like claiming that knives are bad because among other things they are dangerous. It would be claiming that knives' usefulness is lost in the fact that killers use them to take lives. Still, it's undeniable that with a knife you can kill someone as well as cook a wonderful meal. I know people who buy something for peer-pressure. People smoke, drink, buy new clothes and expensive cars and gadgets for peer-pressure. In truth, peer-pressure has nothing to do with a specific brand, social interactions do. If yuppies started buying AW, I wouldn't go around claiming that pompous people buy pompous computers, therefore making the wrong kind of association I'm arguing against. -
If Alienware removed the LEDs on the back of the lid, added aluminum casing above the frame on the bottom, found a better means to house the speakers, and thinned the bezel, I would be fine with its designs.
I can't help but feel that the excess of lights is meant to hide blemishes. And, of course, to raise the price.
I must be getting old, I like my m18x better than the m18
Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Irakandji, Jun 27, 2013.
