Ah, wait a second. Disable any security software that's running, it seems to have failed writing a sys extension file, run Rufus in administrator mode and make sure your Antivirus and such is disabled.
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I googled that error and it is indeed caused by antivirus software, in the case that I saw it was BitDefender that triggered it.
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Bitdefender should no longer be used unless you are willing to install bitdefender 2011 and keep using that software. In which case, you're better off with Microsoft Security Essentials today.
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Microsoft's solution is the bare minimum anyone should have but it is by no means strong enough to replace a 3rd party antivirus and malware solution. If you are not using one, your system is a gaping security hole.
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Tried it on another computer and everything worked. Flashed the cards one more time, still the same problem but I uninstalled 337.88 driver and installed the new 340.43 and then everything worked.
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Glad you got it fixed though.
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going on with my R2, will play more with it during the weekend.
Another question, is 1.1V the highest you can go on the 780M?
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Is Windows 8.1 Worth It for Gaming?
Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 7 in just about every metric and it flies past Windows 7 when multiple threads are involved.
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I haven't compared side by side and probably won't bother. Like it or not, Windows 8.1 is the future for gaming though so people might as well get used to it.
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my 780M cards sucks, they cant handle any OC other then 50Mhz on the core and 50Mhz on the Memory, anything above that the the computer freezes.
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Well pretty much everyone has said that the 340.43 drivers suck for overclocking, go back to 337.88.
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Secure erase + clean image >>> any AV program
Of course you obviously have to watch out for infections since viruses don't just advertise themselves. But for the most part if you're vigilant about what you're doing, MalwareBytes Pro + MSE is "good enough".D2 Ultima likes this. -
Malwarebytes is what I tell people to use if they need to do a very deep scan.
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Yep, MalwareBytes Pro is the only program I would gladly fork my money over to. Although I really hope they don't start going down the "flashy and popular" route since the UI for v2.0 is just plain fugly.
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MalwareBytes is complementary to any primary Antivirus solution and is not meant to be used in place of anti-virus software. And while it's true that common sense can usually make up for not having security software, we have to keep in mind the security holes that Microsoft has introduced themselves in the past. Remember the messaging service bug? Lmao.
I have Avira and I don't like it but it's got the 100% detection rate going for it so I'm torn. I heard about Emsisoft Anti-Malware today which is apparently on the same level as Avira but with almost no impact so I'm going to check that out.
There is not a universe that exists in which I would recommend Bitdefender, Norton, or McAfee. I used avast for years and it's a shame that it has devolved into the nagging mess it is now, forcing me to find something else. The game mode and sandbox features were great. -
I agree Malwarebytes is not a substitute for a proper AV (mainly due to its detection algorithm and the types of files it will scan), and not having a proper AV opens you up to, well, viruses.
That being said, I just couldn't stand the constant nagging, hair-trigger sensitivity, and the "better to kill 100 innocent programs than to let 1 bad one slip by" algorithm of certain AV programs. I'm sure (hope?) it's improved in recent years, but ever since a Norton "disinfection" corrupted some system files and forced me to reinstall, I've sworn off AVs.
In the years in-between me having nothing more than MSE to using MSE + Malwarebytes Pro, I've had a total of 3 infections, and in each case it was 100% my fault. (2 I got from warez/cracks, 1 was from a drive-by download from a very sketchy free eBook site)
Ever since I started using the MSE + Malwarebytes combo a little over 2 years ago, I've had exactly 0 infections (knock on wood). I credit MalwareBytes for having stopped who knows how many drive-by downloads whenever I ventured into the darker sides of the Internets, but other than that I most just used my judgement and common sense. Of course all this is supplemented by weekly backups of important data and bi-weekly imaging, because I realize the risks are there, but at least this way I'm well prepared. -
I have an even better track record than that... Was running with no Antivirus protection on Windows for well over a year and when I finally put avast on, I had one keylogger that was in a key generator I didn't even use because the torrent had a serial number.
I have seen many machines get fried by Norton and McAfee over the years so I always am on the look for the least intrusive av software (even though in my time on the net, I haven't had a bad infection since the BBS days in DOS and Windows 3.1) and MalwareBytes has been in my toolbox for years. I hate the new UI......Mr. Fox likes this. -
crApafee is the worst... made tons of money over the years fixing infected systems with fully updated crApafee security software.
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I've always used Avast Free Antivirus and its never caused any issues for me...
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I both agree about avast nagging and malwarebytes only really being good for a one-time scan run. But if you're a bit vigilant you should be fine. I mean worse comes to worst, you can always just scan any torrent etc you download before you open it to see if anything's malicious. No harm no foul there, right?
As for me, I haven't had a virus in years. I rarely download torrents anymore. The only site where I trusted torrents to be 100% safe (by reading comments a little firsthand) was demonoid, which actually is finally back online, but who knows how long they'll be up XD.Ethrem likes this. -
so what OC are you guys getting on your 780M's?
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The highest I got was about 1273/1501 or somewhere around there.
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Thanks johnksss, what software did you use for OC?
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Depends on voltage/clocks/os/power management/power & vbios. To much or not enough and crash city. Wrong version or partial install. Crash city....
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Yeah the vbios used and voltage matters, also it's worth testing the core and memory clocks by themselves.
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Meaker said: ↑Yeah the vbios used and voltage matters, also it's worth testing the core and memory clocks by themselves.Click to expand...
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High memory clock helps to reduce bandwidth bottleneck, but too much and it'll backfire because of GDDR5's error correction.
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You can still overclock memory, just don't over clock it if you catch my drift.
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Overclocking the core yields the greatest returns in terms of performance and is not particularly harmful or dangerous. If you overclock the core too far it will be (a) unstable and crash; (b) rapidly overheat and shut down to avoid damage; or, (c) both. Overclocking the VRAM can also improve performance, to a somewhat lesser degree, but the chances of causing harm or destruction to the GPU from overdoing it on the memory overclock being excessive is far greater than core overclocking. Applying more voltage for overclocking applies only to the core, so increasing voltage in an effort to achieve high memory clock speeds does not work. Adverse long term side effects of over-volting the GPU can be accelerated fatigue and damage from prolonged thermal stress. As far as I know, the voltage limit for an NVIDIA GPU using the maximum value permitted in the vBIOS represents the maximum safe functional limit. If my understanding is correct, the voltage cannot be set higher than the value set as the limit in the vBIOS without a hardware mod. Using a hardware mod to increase core voltage limits or memory voltage is dangerous and presents a great risk of damage or destruction of the GPU.
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CPU: 4.3GHz - this is my 24/7 CPU clock speed for the M18xR2 and Alienware 18 - 4.3GHz runs very cool, stable and doesn't require anything special
GPU: none - for the most part I only OC the GPU when chasing better benchmark numbers - stock 780M SLI provides an excellent gaming experiencedeadsmiley, D2 Ultima and papusan like this. -
Mr. Fox said: ↑CPU: 4.3GHz - this is my 24/7 CPU clock speed for the M18xR2 and Alienware 18 - 4.3GHz runs very cool, stable and doesn't require anything special
GPU: none - for the most part I only OC the GPU when chasing better benchmark numbers - stock 780M SLI provides an excellent gaming experienceClick to expand...Mr. Fox likes this. -
D2 Ultima said: ↑True that. I can't get such a good CPU cooling, I just use -80mV on my CPU and leave it at 3.5GHz. It's fairly stable up to 3.8 at -80mV (for some reason) but the heat downclocks it so I don't bother. The 780Ms however... they're great. If you need to OC your 780Ms you're probably playing Crysis 3 or something XD.Click to expand...
I wish I could pull Fox's numbers but unfortunately no matter what I do, I can't get over 4GHz stable on all 4 cores, I can hit 4.2GHz on 2 and 4.5GHz on one. Lottery sucks for me between my laptop and my desktop Haswell (4770k will POST @ 4.6GHz at 1.2v and will even start booting but Windows will bluescreen clear up to 1.4v and I my cooling can't take more - It needs 1.33v to be stable @ 4.4GHz) - Haswell SUCKS.
As for GPU overclocks... the only game I have that could benefit from it would be Watch Dogs, the rest of them are running over 90FPS, most over 120FPS with max settings.Mr. Fox likes this. -
Yes, cooling is one area where Alienware really shines... they did a fantastic job of building excellent cooling systems for the M17xR2, M18xR1, M18xR2 and Alienware 18.
Here is an example of the Haswell Blast Furnace at 4.3GHz after a wPrime 1024M test.
Zero evidence of thermal throttling and great temps. (Of course, Liquid Ultra plays a hugely crucial role in achieving success with Haswell.)
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Ethrem said: ↑Actually, to truly overclock the chip, you have to increase the power going to it by raising the turbo power and the current limits. My 4940MX will do 3.9GHz on 4 cores with 83A and 75W turbo, 83.75W short power max, and -80mV, 3.9GHz cache, 39x multi but it overloads my power adapter as soon as I launch a demanding app (3DMark 11 specifically, I haven't tried a game, works with 3DMark Firestrike, 11 just sucks more power) and it will hit 91C (thermal throttle begins at 95C) if I hit it with an 8 thread stress test (1024M in TS) but it doesn't hit those temps under regular usage.
I wish I could pull Fox's numbers but unfortunately no matter what I do, I can't get over 4GHz stable on all 4 cores, I can hit 4.2GHz on 2 and 4.5GHz on one. Lottery sucks for me between my laptop and my desktop Haswell (4770k will POST @ 4.6GHz at 1.2v and will even start booting but Windows will bluescreen clear up to 1.4v and I my cooling can't take more - It needs 1.33v to be stable @ 4.4GHz) - Haswell SUCKS.
As for GPU overclocks... the only game I have that could benefit from it would be Watch Dogs, the rest of them are running over 90FPS, most over 120FPS with max settings.Click to expand...
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D2 Ultima said: ↑Well, that's your chip. Mine hits 3.8 in gaming/streaming/etc easy, but it just gets too hot to maintain the power. I guess my chip is really good for it? I don't know. I even tried 3.9GHz once and it was stable during the tests on intel XTU, though like I said, it downclocked to near 3.5GHz anyway once it started to heat up, so I never bothered with OCing it for longer periods of time XD. My friend with the i7-4810MQ in a MSI idle-crashes at -80mV stock clocks (not during any stress tests) but she's fine at -70mV, so it's all relative I guess. Each chip is different XD.
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All these talk about how good cooling there is in the Alienware.
My 880M's (stock) in my P570WM dont go over 60 degree in Firestrike Extreme (tried 3 times after eachother) and my CPU temp during Cinebench (6x4.3Ghz) stays around 75 degree.Belly3D likes this. -
D2 Ultima said: ↑Well, that's your chip. Mine hits 3.8 in gaming/streaming/etc easy, but it just gets too hot to maintain the power. I guess my chip is really good for it? I don't know. I even tried 3.9GHz once and it was stable during the tests on intel XTU, though like I said, it downclocked to near 3.5GHz anyway once it started to heat up, so I never bothered with OCing it for longer periods of time XD. My friend with the i7-4810MQ in a MSI idle-crashes at -80mV stock clocks (not during any stress tests) but she's fine at -70mV, so it's all relative I guess. Each chip is different XD.
Unless my speeds at that point are placebo and I'm not gaining any computational advantage. But then again, I haven't tested it since propping up my backplate... hmm, maybe I'll try some more when I get my board replacement. We'll see.Click to expand...
As for cooling, Clevo suffers from warped heatsink plates and restrictive vents. The fans are more than adequate (and according to Khenglish over at TechInferno, stronger than the Alienware fans), and I believe deadsmiley mentioned his 880M never went above 70C when gaming once he lapped his heatsink and opened up the bottom cover.
So, if somehow we could mod Alienware heatsinks to fit in Clevos, or get Clevo fans to fit in Alienware, we would have the world's most powerful cooling system.D2 Ultima likes this. -
Yeah, it was due to heat. I was hitting 91+ degrees on the CPU in the test. The speed started dropping and the temps started to remain there at ~3.4GHz. Then once it hit the high 80s, it'd boost up to 3.6-3.7 GHz and then heat up, then go back down. But again, as I said, this was usually in the middle of the day and before I propped up the back of my machine. I have more thermal headroom now; so I might be able to get away with 3.6 to 3.8 GHz. I'll try it when I get back my PC from the mobo replacement.
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About the most I can tolerate is 28°C, maybe 30°C if I have my table fan blowing into my face all the time.Click to expand...
Just got my 880M twins!
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