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    Just got my 880M twins!

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Arotished, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. Arotished

    Arotished Notebook Evangelist

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    After I clean OS I get bluescreen all over the please, even from Windows Update.

    And yes, vBIOS is the same on both cards.
     
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    Dam...What's your blue screen code ? I
     
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    nightdex Notebook Evangelist

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    I got the blue screen yesterday after removing then reinstalling the GPU driver. I had to boot back into safe mode and redo the whole process again.
     
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    What happens if you run with only one card?
     
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    Same thing...
     
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    No problems with I use integrated GPU.....
     
  7. nightdex

    nightdex Notebook Evangelist

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    I've tried everything to bring my 880m core clock speed back up to 954mhz. It's not happening for me. Are you still encountering the blue screen? If so, try the below.


    • Remove the Nvidia driver and Intel driver with Display Driver Uninstaller in safe mode. Restart your computer after each driver uninstall.

    • Once both drivers are uninstalled, boot back into safe mode and then reinstall Dell's recommended Intel driver. Restart after the driver install has completed.

    • Now do the same again for the Nvidia driver. Download the Nvidia driver from Dell, then install.

    • Once both drivers are installed, reboot back into normal desktop mode.

    If this doesn't fix your blue screen issue, I honestly don't know what to recommend, but If all goes well, run a benchmark test to see if your GPU's are giving out the maximum core speed. If so, congratulations Arotished. Good luck.
     
  8. Mr. Fox

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    I could be wrong, but I don't think a vBIOS mod is going to do anything for you. I think there is either something wrong with your motherboard or something wrong with the 880M cards. If everything works correctly with the 7970M CrossFire setup you had, then I would suspect your 880M cards came from a messed up batch or something. If you know of a trustworthy person that lives close to you that is not scared by the idea of testing, it would be interesting to see if those 880M cards malfunction when installed in another Alienware or Clevo system. It would not surprise me if the cards are screwed up.
     
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    If you are in the uk I have facilities to test cards, can't do it straight away but it can be done.
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    I vaguely remember OP is from Norway.
     
  11. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    Yup he's from Norway...
     
  12. nightdex

    nightdex Notebook Evangelist

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    Do have the tools to fix the core clock from throttling? Specifically the 880m after a few driver crashes.
     
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    I have an environment where a card has no excuse to throttle lol, needs to be a clevo/sager card, I can only recover other brands of card from a bad flash in the old acer motherboard, it's not designed to fully power a 100w card lol.
     
  14. nightdex

    nightdex Notebook Evangelist

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    Ah, mines a Dell branded one.
     
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    You can use an M18xR1/R2 to recover from a failed flash or test just about any MXM GPU. You must have an unlocked BIOS so you can change the primary display option to "SG" mode. This will boot using integrated graphics, yet still makes the PCIe slots accessible for discrete GPU flashing access. The only risk is to the system being used for testing if the GPU(s) in question has some kind of serious electrical problem.
     
  16. nightdex

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    My 880m hasn't had a bad flash, it's suffering with the problems I mentioned a few days back brother Fox.

    I read yesterday that members on techinferno have been attempting flashing the 780m vbios to the 880m. Is this even possible? Surely its not the correct way to go about flashing an unlocked vbios to any GPU.
     
  17. deadsmiley

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    I would not take that chance with my 880M.

    Those guys have no patience.

    Sent with love from my Galaxy S4
     
  18. Mr. Fox

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    I especially would not take that chance if you have any machine other than an Alienware M18xR1/R2. Flashing the wrong firmware should not damage the GPU, but the machine may not POST with the wrong GPU firmware. If you have an M18xR1/R2 with an unlocked system BIOS you can fix it in a few minutes. Just change the BIOS to "SG" mode and flash the correct firmware back to the GPU, then change the BIOS back to PEG. There is no way to do it on the new Alienware 18 because the BIOS menu that needs to be accessed to do this is hidden. If I were in Brother Arotished shoes right now, knowing I could undo it if I need to, I think I would be willing to try anything to get those 880M cards to work right. (On the M18xR2 it requires that only one GPU be installed, so in an SLI system you have to remove the secondary GPU for the machine to POST in SG mode. On the M18xR1 you can leave both GPUs installed and flash both of them without turning a single screw.)
     
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    I agree with both of you brothers. You do make a very valid point brother Fox. Are these new models just that far gone that no one wants to bother with them?
     
  20. deadsmiley

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    I was not aware that was possible. Thank you for the enlightenment.

    Sent with love from my Galaxy S4
     
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    They are not high performance overclocking enthusiast machines any more. They took away almost everything that made them desirable and left almost nothing exciting for extreme performance enthusiasts.
    They are basically console replacement gamer-boy laptops now. This makes me very sad, too. It's most unfortunate. :(
     
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    They are fine for people who like to run their machines stock, they are not somehow less than other users. But it is a shame they don't want to cater to the enthusiast any more. The closest you can get is the 17 now.
     
  23. Arotished

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    Well, tired with a 580M card and didnt get any bluescreen during the main dell/alienware driver-installation... After all the "basic" drivers were installed I switched over to the 880m (single card) and started up 3Dmark11 and still the same problem, throttling like hell and some bluescreens during the 337.88 driver installation....
     
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    I didn't say anything against users that like to run their machines stock. That's fine if that's all they want. The derogatory comments about it being a console replacement gamer-boy laptop are leveled squarely against the inadequate product itself, which is clearly incapable of meeting the expectations of serious overclocking enthusiasts. It's just fine and dandy for stock or moderate overclocking.

    And, the AW17 is an unacceptable solution. It represents massive compromise, and with capacity for only one GPU it's not even competing in the same class as the 18. It has all of the same problems minus inadequate power supply. That compromise (one GPU) is just too steep to suit me, plus you can disable SLI with the 18 and then do all of the same kind of overclocking that you could with a 17 without exhausting the power supply. The 17 also has the same Secure Flash cancer-ridden BIOS, too. All an enthusiast would accomplish by going with the 17 is that they would be throwing away less money than they would be by purchasing an 18.

    There are almost no options left for performance enthusiasts now... Basically there two choices... a used M18xR1/R2 or a PW570WM. There have really only been these two options all along, but if you want a brand new machine you are basically now down to one lonesome option... you can buy anything your heart desires as long as it is a P570WM. There's no good excuse for the new Alienware to be anything less than a beast an order of magnitude greater than its predecessor. I hope they can pay a little closer attention to engineering and recover from this botched up product on the next model revision. If existing 18 owners are really lucky, they'll be able to bust open their piggy banks and swap a newer motherboard into the chassis and finally own the kind of beast they originally paid for and never received.
     
  25. Arotished

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    I say screw 880M SLi on a Alienware laptop. Started up my R1 last night with the 880M's installed and the same problem here....during 3Dmark11 the cards throttles like a crazy duck..
     
  26. Mr. Fox

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    It does not function well for anyone, so don't blame your R1. You may have a change of heart once svl7 and Johnksss release the vBIOS mod.

    Have you tried the new driver? It seems to be working better for Alienware 18 owners with 880M SLI with the new driver.
     
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    Looks like nVidia dropped a new driver today or last night.

    Sent with love from my Galaxy S4
     
  28. nightdex

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    Yup, and it sucks as per usual.
     
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    I7 2960 4.496 GHZ
    Single GTX880M
    Beta GF337.88

    Runing fast as hell on Bugfield 4
    All ultra , MSAA x4 , re escale textures 150% fps 40-90 , Anyone know how to overclock the GTX880M? Nvidia I understand nothing...
     
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    I switched 3 times now, no errors. Just remember to uninstal everyrhing prior to insertion of a new card.
    L

    Sent from my C1905 using Tapatalk
     
  31. nightdex

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    Not possible at the moment. Everyone is waiting for an unlocked vbios for the 880m.
     
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    Ah ok Thanks Night :)
     
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    That's a pretty basic expectation. I always do that and it hasn't worked well for me. Might have something to do with the models of GPUs involved. I generally run them overclock, so any kind of instability will be magnified. There could also be a difference considering the fact that I always use SLI and CrossFire and not single GPU. It's good that has worked OK in your case, but we cannot assume it will always be the case. As a time saver, it's definitely worth trying first. Sometimes pulling the HDD/SSD from one machine and slapping it into another that has dissimilar hardware works fine, but other times it doesn't work well as all. Arotished is having nothing but problems, so reinstalling the OS was a good idea if for no other reason than to rule out the OS as a contributing cause.
     
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    I have never had an issue either but there are so many variables, gpu drivers are some of the most complex software out there.
     
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    Yes, tons of opportunities for misbehavior. With two of them, exponentially more. ;)
     
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    @Arotished...

    Also try this modded INF for 880M. Reinstall the driver after replacing the INF and choose the clean install. Do this before the Inspector profile tweak. This basically lies to the driver and tells it to install the GPU and registry values the same as GTX 680M.

    View attachment 880M_nvdmi.zip
     
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    I hope this will help because right now, my work laptop (4800QM + K2100M) is making just 500 points less in 3Dmark11 then my 3940MX/880M SLi setup... (3000vs3500 points)
     
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    I very much doubt that it will help Arotished. I just tried all the above methods out. Replacing the INF wouldn't allow me to install the newest beta driver. It kept throwing up errors quarter of the way through the install.
     
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    Did you reboot Windows 8 with Driver Signature Enforcement disabled before attempting to install the driver? If not, that will fail 100% of the time because an INF change is an "unsigned" driver mod. It is required on all systems running Windows 8 and any user running a system with GPUs that were not a factory configuration option has to do this if they are using Windows 8. With Windows 7 you are merely prompted to confirm your intent to install the driver anyway, but Windows 8 is crap and doesn't give you that option.
     
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    No I didn't :) I will test again. Thanks for the tip.
     
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    Just tried everything that Mr. Fox and everyone else said to try however the same thing is happening. Crappy 3D mark scores. I am running a single 330W PS, A10 stock bios on main board and DELL VBIOS.
     
  42. nightdex

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    Have you tried testing each GPU on there own via 3D Mark 11?
     
  43. Mr. Fox

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    This is just going to be frustrating until a vBIOS mod becomes available. My best advice is to stop burning calories trying to bench 880M for now. Plays some games and wait for the vBIOS mod to be released.
     
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    880M modified vBIOS looks like it's just been released within the hour! Here's where you can get it (it's in Post #2 of this thread):

    NVIDIA Kepler VBIOS mods - Overclocking Editions, modified clocks, voltage tweaks

    I'd imagine there'll be a lot of thankful 880M owners! :) Will be interesting to hear how you guys get on with it, and what benchmark scores you can achieve.

    EDIT: (Also the 870M modified vBIOS there too (as well as Kepler 860M))
     
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    quick question, this is still rev.1 in gtx880m? or another?
     
  46. n=1

    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    No more excuses people, go and bench that beast!
     
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    I would if I had access to the file :( I want to unlock my dual 880's. As soon as I do I will post.
     
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    Just downloaded the 880m VBIOS. Not to sound like a noob, but can someone point me to a post on how to flash vbois?

    Thanks!
     
  49. TBoneSan

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    You can always fast track and donate $5 and become a member. It's a small price to pay considering how much these machines cost and the performance increase to be had.

    The instructions are there on the TI pages. In case you've skipped over it here's the link. They are noob friendly , make yourself a coffee and have a leisurely read through them ;)
     
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    I found it shortly after I posted. :) I remember doing this a long time ago and it seems pretty straight forward.
     
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