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    Just got my 880M twins!

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Arotished, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. Lucifer Nymphetamine

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    Is there anyone else there who has M18X R1 with GTX880M 8GB using the new VBIOS?
    Is it just me or am I having problems?
    It is not possible .. I've done:
    Uninstall the drivers with DDU (the latest)
    Install the VBIOS
    driver to respond both in games and in 3DMark.
    I've tried with no CPU overclocking
    Have tried with overclocked CPU
    I have tried to download the GPU clock
    I've tried older drivers
    I've tried the version not steam 3DMark


    I await someone who can help me doing a walkthrough of how to install the video drivers and / or having any suggestions ....
    My birthday is today, someone gave me a gift.
    Thanks to all
     
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    I would think upgrading clevos would be easier since it seems easier to get clevo parts and cards

    Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk
     
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    Dammit, my computer after a clean OS installation dont wanna install Framework 4,5. PC just restarts automaticly half way in the installation.
     
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    I give up, not even Windows Update want to work proper. (tired 3 different OS) Either freezes or get blue screen when its gonna install updates...

    Choice now is to either sell the 3940XM/880M's and go for a Alienware 18 with 4940XM/880M's or go for a Clevo 570WM with 780M's and upgrade to my 880M's..
     
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    Like, been like this for 1 hour now.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Don't even bother with Windows updates. They're a waste of time and that kind of thing happens all the time.
     
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    Maybe your RAM is faulty if you're getting all these weird problems. Try running a program called Memtest86+, you run it off a bootable USB, instructions on the website are simple if you google Memtest86+, actually here's the website for you:
    Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool
    Might be worth a try. (Don't need Windows or any operating system installed to run it).
     
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    There has to be something else going. Great idea on checking the RAM. If the RAM checks out OK, I'm still not convinced that Brother Arotished did not get a broken set of 880M cards. I also think the 880M GPU that Lucifer Nymphetamine got might be messed up, too. These two gentlemen are having issues that other 880M owners are not having. Would be interesting to know if both of them bought their 880M cards from the same vendor.
     
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  10. Arotished

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    Everytime the windows updater wants to update framework, either 3.5 or 4.5 the computer crash. Same goes for manuall installation of framework.
     
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    and when I try to install the videodriver.. (when Nvidia Expeeriance is installing)
     
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    and now when I try to log on to windows, all I get is a black screen.

    So, I say.....screw this laptop.
     
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    Don't think the problem is the laptop... read again what Mr. Fox write foxly (wisely) before... ;)
     
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    I did read it, and I know its a combination of many things. Btw, who els have tried R2 with 880M's

    When I try to install the videodriver, the screen turns black after the installation is done and nothing happens and I need to restart the computer. If I go into the videodriver installation again, I see
    that everything is installed.

    I have removed both GPU's now and Windows Updater works fine. I DONT believe that I have got three faulty 880M's. With the 580m's installed, Windows Updater also work perfect. I dont beleive I have got 3 faulty 880M's. (two from Upgrademoneky and one from upgradeyourlaptop)

    Anyway, Im not gonna order another new set of 880M's now, done with this laptop :) 3000 dollars out the window.

    If anyone wants a pair of 880m's, hit me up with a good price on PM. Also will let the 3940XM go.
     
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    My problems:
    1 - It is with the video drivers, GPU is not recognized when installing, but changing the ini works perfect. SOLVED
    2 - Bios new unlocked, gives all sorts of errors, hangs over the 3DMark tests, crashes during games, get all unlocked settings, but does not work right, reinstalled the original, perfect bios. TEMPORARILY SOLVED
    3 - Tests GPU 3DMark do not recognize, I contacted 3DMark: your model is very current not appear in our records, around one week will be in the system of records. SOLVED
    4 - I bought the GPU by ebay.Vendedor: upgradeyourlaptop:
    I have no criticisms, seller was helpful, answered all my emails, GPU came in sealed packaging and in 6 working days, I live in Brazil was really fast out some setbacks:
    AMD heatsinks with different sticker design connects to the plate, and the difficulty to install the drivers, the performance of the GPU GTX880M with original clock is better than my 2 HD6990M overclocked 835/1235, I am almost 100% satisfied,I will get when the unlocked bios works perfectly there will be only joy = D
     
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    Do you not read the posts when people reply to you!? Are you just going to go ahead and write off your 880M's before even checking the RAM like I suggested? It's quick & easy to do, and would save you a lot of trouble if it turned out to be the cause. If it was the cause, and then you order some new 880M's then you would still have the problem, and would have wasted loads of time. Try things that are quick & simple first. Memtest86+. Not saying it's gonna be the cause, but it's a quick & easy check. (Don't know what it seems to be, but it seems like there's a significant correlation developing between 880M ownership & lack of reading comprehension in forums recently, not just this one! It's weird! ;-) ) (I suppose if you really think about it, it might be related to the fact that they decided to buy one in the first place. Could be true!). Apologies, couldn't help myself!
     
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    I did the memtest86+, passed without any issues.

    And please tell me if my RAM are shot, why does the computer work with the 580m's installed and why does it work without any GPU's installed?
     
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    Cool. Yep, maybe your 880M's are faulty - that would be bad luck, but I guess it can happen. If you're finding 880M's problematic, maybe it might make sense to get some 780M's which when overclocked will perform pretty much the same - would be cheaper too.
     
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    Upgradedonkey tells that they test each card with 3Dmark11 before they ship it, dont know what Upgradeyourlaptop do.
     
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    I got my card from Upgrade Monkey, it was my first purchase with them, but it's worked out well so far. I don't know what testing (if any) they do on each card, thinking about it I'd be surprised if they'd test each card - that's a lot of work with the pasting/assembly/testing per unit - I don't believe they would do that. (But, if they say they do it, then I guess they do it!)
     
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    Probably nothing... just ship 'em out and hope it ends well. That is what most do. Heck, most companies do not even properly test complete computer systems before they ship. In fact, I would be suspicious of those that claim to test in most case. I suspect some of them just lie and say they do.

    I wished you lived close to me so we could swap parts temporarily to see what happens. That would answer the question immediately. I think the GPUs are screwed up. If everything works right except for the 880M cards that kind of removes any doubt in my mind. If you could show that the problem followed the GPUs to a totally different system it would be hard to argue that the problem was something wrong with the laptop.
     
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    I tried both of the 880m's (only single GPU) in my R1 and same problem there. Also have an R2 with 675m's I can try them in but think the same problem there.

    Just ordered a Clevo P570W :)
     
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    Seeing as you tried both 880M's on the their own, the chances of both 880M's being faulty are probably quite slim, unless the package was exposed to some kind of environment where it somehow messed up both of them. Well, you might well be sorted with your new Clevo you ordered anyway! You're gonna send the 880M's back to your supplier right? Just say they didn't work. They'll probably give you a refund I think.
     
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    I do want a AW18 over the Clevo but I haven't sen any 3Dmark11 with AW18 and the 880M's yet but I see Clevo 880m's did 18000points with an 4930XM which is probably higher then the AW18 ever gonna see.

    My Clevo comes with 4960X and 780M SLi and I guess the 880M are plug and play with the Clevo's P570W so I can swap over if I want.
     
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    Trust me, you won't be impressed unless you are happy with stock performance. Alienware 18 cannot handle anything more than a mild overclock with 780M SLI, so it will be the same or worse with 880M SLI unless they fix the power handling limitation.

    Johnksss has already shown us that 880M works in the M18xR2. Just look at the review thread he posted in the main Alienware forum. If your 880M cards do not work right in either of your machines, I think the answer is obvious. Your GPUs are bad. The chances of both being bad are actually not slim if there was a bad GPU production batch or they were mishandled or damaged in some way. They could have even been screwed up before the vendor got them.

    Severna has a new Clevo P570WM with 880M SLI and he doesn't think they are as good as 780M SLI. He had a different P570WM with 780M SLI that performed better. Look in the M18x benchmark thread.
     
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    Looks like 780M's are the purchase to get!
     
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    I know about the power limitation of AW18, thats why I dont want it. The fact that Clevo comes with Dual-PSU from factory makes me favor Clevo over AW now.

    I know they work on the R2, I also know they dont work on my R2, the reason is obvious the GPU's but I will test them in my Clevo when I get it and we will see hot that goes :) If the 880M's works good, I will put the 780M's in my R2 :)

    And my last words:

    Thank you all for your support/advise/help I have gotten though this thread, been VERY MUCH appreciated!

    PS: What a beauty.

    [​IMG]
     
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    You're welcome, my friend. In a way I hope they do not work in the Clevo, but in a way I hope they do because you might get a big hassle dealing with Eurocom on replacing them.

    As much of an Alienware fanboy as I am, I would choose the P570WM over the Alienware 18 in a heartbeat. I don't like many things about the Clevo, but the bottom line is performance and it's unmistakably the performance winner right now. And the sad fact of the matter is, it will continue to be the performance winner unless Alienware takes very deliberate steps to correct that problem.
     
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    [​IMG]

    does anyone know what this mean?
     
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    [​IMG]

    installed one 880M card again and everytime I try to acces the card (Evga Precision or Hwinfo, the computer freeze)

    Power% is 335%, seeing it up to 600% during benchmark. Normal?

    Biggest problem is that the GPU fans dont spin at all so the heatsink gets EXTREMLY hot, trying to enter HWinfo to set the fans higher but the computer keeps freezing before I get that far. CPU fan works perfect.

    I need to wait until the GPU's har cold before I can use programs that loads the GPU's or els it freezes totally. Or just remove the GPU's.
     
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    Okey, after millions og bluescreens and computer freezes, I was able to do test 1 (basic mode) in 3Dmark11 with 880M's installed, avarage fps was 55-60 with drops down to 25-30fps. If I carried on to test 2, the computer would freeze.

    Core/memory was fixed on max speed during the teat and the cards didnt throttle (which is good) but the performance is around 1/4 of my 4770K/780Ti SLI setup.

    Also, windows takes like 10 min to load and the mouse is extremly laggy in deskop, probally because the 880m cards are extremly hot. (oem controller dont kick in)
     
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    Arotished, not to be rude and I know you've done a lot of testing, but somehow I don't see ordering a maxed out Clevo P570WM being a wise choice over just returning the 880Ms to the vendor and seeking a refund. I mean, you realize you're basically throwing more money at a problem hoping it would go away or magically solve itself right?

    Also, the 4960X does not perform as well as the 4930K in the P570WM, I remember it was a combination of power + thermal issues based on Meaker's posts. If I were you I'd contact the supplier and immediately change the CPU before it has shipped. No point wasting $500 for a chip that performs less.
     
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    Performance of the two chips should be identical (4930k and 4960x) when both are tweaked so it's more the extra cash having no return.
     
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    n=1 YEAH SCIENCE!

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    Hmm, I definitely remember you saying somewhere that 4930K clocks better than the 4960X due to the same bell curve effect. But I guess maybe you end up with the same performance in the end.

    EDIT: Ok good to know I'm not imagining things, see this post.
     
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    This is my Valley score on OEM clocks. Second after I got a bluescreen :)

    Was bearly making 20 FPS after around 1 min into the benchmark.

    Temp was around 50 degree during the test and clocks were locked at 993/2500.


    [​IMG]
     
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    Here is my Heaven benchmark

    [​IMG]

    Whats very funny is that the first 20-30 seconds, the benchmarks start off very good, almost at the same level/FPS as my 4770K/780Ti (on OEM clocks) but after around 20-30 seconds, the performance drops like crazy! As I mention, the temperatur remains stable on both cards during the hole benchmark.

    If someone can explain thar to me, that would be great.
     
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    If I try normal fire strike, I can bench it for like 30 seconds before the computer freezes, but if I try Fire Strike Extreme, it freezes right away..
     
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    Do you have a different psu you can try? Just throwing it out there...


    Sent with love from my Galaxy S4
     
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    Everything you're describing here leads me to believe something is very wrong with those video cards. I'm not optimistic that they are going to function correctly in the Clevo you are getting. I bet you end up having similar problems. Some of that behavior is just too strange for them to not have something bad going on.
     
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    I have 4 different PSU home and I tried all of them, same problem.

    If I get the same problem with the 880M's and the Clevo, then I KNOW FOR SURE that the GPU's are bad. I still find it so hard that 3 GPU's from 2 different vendors (and different revision of the GPU) is faulty.

    But, the Clevo comes with 780M's so, it the 880M's dont work.....its not the end of the world.
     
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    Did you read the post about 4960X is a waste of money in the P570WM? Seriously, save yourself the $500 and go with 4930K.
     
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    Yes, but money is not really an issue so then I just gonna go for the 4960X, but thanks for the advise!
     
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    Does anyone know if the GPU heatsinks works on the R2 works on the AW18?
     
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    What PSU's have you tried Arotished? My 880m was functioning like yours is now, and it was down to the wrong PSU that was shipped with the laptop. I was sent a 180 watt PSU. A 240 watt PSU fixed my problem, but even the 240 watt struggles with the core clock at (boost) 993 at all times during benching or gaming.
     
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    I only have 330W at home.
     
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    Hmm that should do the trick. Is your PSU still drawing and outputting 330W?
     
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    Havent checked that actually.
     
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    I would check that it's giving out the stated output before giving up on those cards. I've seen how badly this particular GPU performs under load with a new 180 watt. Trust me, it wasn't nice staying at 250mhz max whilst running 3D Mark 11. Mr Fox will agree with me on that.
     
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    Not sure I follow ?
     
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    Just SHOW :)
     
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