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    M18x and Crysis 3 Performance Thread

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Rafix, Feb 20, 2013.

  1. daveh98

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    I have not picked it up yet because it seems like 680m sli is having problems. Does ANYONE run this game with 580m SLI and have any reports on performance? I really don't like playing a game when it's hard to run at high settings. I can turn down aa/af no problem at 1900x1080 and maybe some shadows. How can I expect to run the game with my rig in sig? Peace.
     
  2. Garry_L

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    I'm running it on Sli 680m's no hassle what so ever .. It seems a random performance issue with some systems , Just use the latest drivers and the Maldo Crysis 3 tool you should be set .
    Great game so far !
     
  3. TurbodTalon

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    Can someone give me a brief rundown of the Maldo tool? It is working for me just fine, but what should my graphics settings be set to before I enable it?
     
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    I don't think it matters what settings you have applied beforehand. It automatically overrides your advanced graphics settings once it's applied. It changes them all to "custom" settings, and sets anisotropic filtering to x4. What I do everytime I start the game is set everything back to very high and af to x16. It causes a drop it performance, but I still get 60+fps anyway. I'm mainly just using the utility for the ability to disable the hud for better screencaps.

    I was using sweetfx with it for a while, but I've changed to using 32xCSAA in the Nvidia Control Panel and 2xMSAA in-game. I still get a constant 60-100fps and there are no jaggies anymore (and no visible blurring of texture and detail either.) I think I've found the ideal setup for my preferences :)
     
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    Well, if nothing else I'll use it since it eliminates the intro screens.
     
  6. Mr. Fox

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    Brother TurbodTalon, have a look at this post and the one after it. http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...ysis-3-performance-thread-20.html#post9105131

    It shows before and after results as well as my in-game settings. Whether it changes all of my settings or not is unknown. The game looks amazing with it, so I really don't care one way or the other.

    You'll probably have a great experience with it. Crysis 3 seems to be able to take advantage of the XM CPU. I find the game works extremely well at 4.0GHz on all 4 cores and temps are fine.
     
  7. daveh98

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    Thanks but I was gearing my question to how it runs with 580m SLI as that is what I have. Any input from anyone??
     
  8. GTO_PAO11

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    What average fps do you get and what driver, my friend?
     
  9. TBoneSan

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    With the maldo mod I always get 60fps+ fps at 4.0ghz, it never dips! I'd be guessing what I get without Vsync but maybe around 80fps or shy of 100fps.

    Like I said, 13.2 beta 2 and beyond are great. I am using 13.3 beta or 13.2 beta (can't keep up with them lately but the latest ones) and they run great as well.

    Brother.. Just give the Maldo mod a try already. It's the stuff
     
  10. Mr. Fox

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    Apparently you missed some information already posted in the thread. Look at post #9 on the first page.
     
  11. Garry_L

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    I've still not managed to get the Maldo tool to work and get an amazing frame rate using the same settings as Mr. Fox so I just let it be !
     
  12. TBoneSan

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    Did you try the earlier version of the mod with the enable.bat ?

    If you can't get hold of it let me know and ill mail it to you.
     
  13. Garry_L

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    I did .. loaded up with the splash saying that it was Maldo modded but none of the buttons would do what they said remove hud etc ; ;
     
  14. daveh98

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    Yup I did miss that. Thanks.
     
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    Send me the link, good man
     
  16. Mr. Fox

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    Here you go... MaLDo OnTheFly for Crysis 3 in Gerd's link above. You'll need to download an old version to get the batch files to enable/disable the mod.

    If you're an online player, you don't want to use this. Read all the documentation... it explains this, as well as how to use it.

    Here's what I am seeing with the MaLDo mod and some tweaked NVIDIA profiles. Just did a quick test this morning and C3 is running as sweet as ever.

    C3-Maldo.JPG

    Download | Mr. Fox Profiles: View attachment NV_Profiles.zip
     
  17. steviejones133

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    Hey guys. I've just encountered an issue and wondered if anyone else has too. I launched C3 an hour ago to play, Origin applied an update and since then, the game crashes/freezes when I try and resume SP campaign. Only thing is to kill it with task manager to get back to desktop. I found this short thread but no solution. Anyone any ideas???

    Crysis 3 - crashing on load/resume game. since latest Origin update. - Answer HQ

    I played it fine an hour or so earlier, went off to do other stuff, came back and when I launched it, Origin applied this update and now it's FUBAR'd....tried repair install - nothing wrong.

    EDIT: Well, loading a game works and resuming now works but it nobbled my last resume point for some reason.....
     
  18. TBoneSan

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    I cant even get mine to launch now either. I just fixed this 2 days ago by uninstalling and re-installing, deleting data folders and jumping through all kinds of hoops. Now I have to waste time fixing their mess again. I tell you... damn Origin.. I bought SimCity and C3 together..you think either of them work??

    UPDATE: Mines fixed too

    I had to navigate to C:\ProgramData\Electronic Arts\EA Services and delete the files in the folder
    I have to do this after every update for it to work!
     
  19. steviejones133

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    Well, I just uninstalled and re-installed Origin. I didn't have an issue before launching the game but it would get to the point where I wanted to resume my SP campaign and it would freeze. Instead of resuming, I have just re-loaded my latest point instead of resuming and now resuming works. God knows what they F'd up.......

    Oh, and I did a CClean registry sweep before reinstalling Origin....
     
  20. steviejones133

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    What a Kerfuffle!!!! - sodding Origin and it's updates.... :mad:
     
  21. Mr. Fox

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    This must be what happened when I lost my original 11 hours of progress and my original profile became inaccessible. Sounds like it anyhow. I don't know why Game Developers seem to get away with such incompetence like this. There is no excuse for a patch or update to do this if they would take time to do it correctly instead of just slopping their way through it. I wonder if there is a way to disable updates? I don't play online. Crysis works flawlessly on my system right now, so I don't need any updates.
     
  22. steviejones133

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    I think you can disable Origin from updating itself via settings - never thought I would have to, but I will be doing so now....

    Time fore bed, I'm pooped.
     
  23. Mr. Fox

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    Might as well start treating Origin the same as I do Windows... if nothing is broken, then don't fix anything.
     
  24. steviejones133

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    Yep. Think I'll do the same.....
     
  25. vulcan78

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    Hello everyone, I just picked up Crysis 3 on sale over at Green Man Gaming for $20 (might still be on sale) installed it and have yet to enjoy it at the highest settings.

    I already did some searching but could not find any specific information pertaining to BSOD and Crysis 3 with Nvidia 680, 680 SLI, or Alienware so am posting a thread with hope that others have already encountered this problem and have figured out a solution to it.

    Although mildly overclocked, I do not get BSOD with any other game if it is a matter of inadequate voltage, that usually results in CTD, but I have not ruled this out as I fondly remember Crysis 2 resulting in BSOD with an older M17x R2 with overclocked 5870 X-Fire, and increasing the voltage alleviated the problem.

    I wish I could include an image of my problem but it seems that I have exceeded some kind of data upload limit here, to which I do not know how to undo, but I will include the error codes that I am getting:

    ntoskrnl.exe ntoskrnl.exe+751a9 fffff800`03259000 fffff800`0383f000 0x005e6000 0x5147d9c6 3/18/2013 8:21:42 PM Microsoft® Windows® Operating System NT Kernel & System 6.1.7601.18113 (win7sp1_gdr.130318-1533) Microsoft Corporation C:\Windows\system32\ntoskrnl.exe

    and

    win32k.sys win32k.sys+2b949c fffff960`00040000 fffff960`00357000 0x00317000 0x5164dccb 4/9/2013 8:30:19 PM

    In fact, these have been responsible for all 3 of my most recent BSOD.

    Any help greatly appreciated!
     
  26. TBoneSan

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    I recommend downloading 'Whocrashedit'. It can usually tell you the cause of the BSOD.

    I'm am fairly certain your crash is from a lack of Flex Vid, as Crysis 3 works your CPU/GPU hard at the same time.
     
  27. vulcan78

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    Yeah it could be that, I am using "Bluescreen View", which I think is similar to "Whocrashedit".

    Might be time to increase Flex up from 8, although I really like it where it is. Been lucky to get away with 8 with the multi's at 45,45,44,43 :)
     
  28. TBoneSan

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    Im pretty sure that will fix your problem
     
  29. vulcan78

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    Thanks T-Bone, I think youre right. I will up the Flex when I am ready to sit down and commit to this game, but right now Planetside 2 feels like a second life for me. Gonna have to seek counseling soon :(
     
  30. Mr. Fox

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    43x4 with 8 flex, zero pri plane, are my standard everyday settings. You should be doing great with Crysis 3 running like that. (Zero pri plane is "auto" which is roughly the same as manually setting 896, except that the CPU only draws what it needs instead of a static wattage value. That's enough for 43x4, but may not be enough for higher OC.)

    Not related to your BSOD, just an FYI... Sometimes the RivaTuner Statistic Server doesn't play nice with it. If you have trouble with the game crashing with the "Crysis 3 Stopped Working" message, disable that and it will probably do OK. Sometimes it works great and other times it makes games act up. Depends on what direction the wind is blowing and what day of the week it is.
     
  31. Rafix

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    I agree that Crysis 3 benefits for higher CPU clocks. These days I have actually began playing Crysis 3 again (so awesome I couldn't resist staying away from it for too long) and I have had some troubles finding the right CPU/GPUs overclock combo again in order to play all ultra without experiencing both overheating or crashes. I found a sweet spot at 42x4, Flex 15, Pri Plane 0 (or 895) with the 680Ms at 1020/2200 (+262 core +400 memory).

    As well, in case you are using HWInfo, make sure COMPAL EC and DELL EC sensors are disable, considering they are known for causing stuttering in game, crashes, hook-ups, etc. They caused so much trouble with Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3 initially.
     
  32. TBoneSan

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    That's about right. I play Crysis 3 on 4.2. Its still does fine on 4.0 for me too and stock gpu's. I use the Maldo mod which is fantastic for performance.
     
  33. Mr. Fox

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    Yup, that Maldo mod is awesome for me, too. Works great for AMD and NVIDIA cards.
     
  34. vulcan78

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    I'm using Hwinfo64, how do I ensure Compac EC and Dell EC are disabled? What kind of temperatures are you seeing at those clock-speeds? Assuming 1.05 V? I was getting BSOD but as T-Bone pointed out, it is probably because I am at 45,45,44,43 with only 8 Flex ID. Going to up the Flex to 10-12.
     
  35. Rafix

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    Yes, a low flex with higher clocks will induce crashes, errors, and freezes. Increase the flex +5 each time until you don't experience issues anymore. Yes, I'm using a 1.05 slv7 vBIOS, and you can disable the sensors by clicking on the Sensor Monitoring icon you'll find on HWinfo GUI. Doing so it will prompt you the sensor status window in which you can see and disable the sensor by right-clicking on them and selecting Disable. See the image below. As far as temps go, while playing Crysis 3 I see CPU temps around 75/80~ under heavy load (4.2) and GPUs 70/75~ at 1020/2200. Honestly, I have yet to try a 4.4 CPU and stock clocks GPUs in Crysis. As TBone and Mr. Fox suggested, you may also want to try the Maldo mod, as it does increase overall performance in game because it optimizes some selected features that are un-optimized for nVIDIA GPUs. Here's the link.

    HWinfo.PNG
     
  36. vulcan78

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    Thanks for the Maldo link, I thought you guys were talking about the Maldo HD texture mod for Crysis 2.

    I might go back to 1.05 V, kinda like the temps I see at 1.0 V though, its enough voltage for +200/+400.

    Edit: The Maldo mod notes state that it will result in ban in multiplayer, confirm?
     
  37. Mr. Fox

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    I don't do online multiplayer games for the most part, so I cannot answer from experience. But, that is probably the case if the Maldo documentation says so.
     
  38. Rafix

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    This will cast off all doubts: "MaLDo is keen to point out that the modified executable is not a crack, so won’t bypass the game’s DRM. He does, however, warn that the utility is only meant for singleplayer use, and that taking it into multiplayer may result in a ban."
     
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    Well I am glad to say that the 4900mq and 780mSLI out of the box is running Crysis 3 on all Ultra with 4xAA. The lowest FPS I am seeing is around 29-35ish. There will be moments of significant drops at auto-save points but I am getting relatively used to that on any GPU/system I own. This may be a game where the extra shaders and bandwidth come into play regardless of clocks. This is playing pretty buttery smooth.

    However, on a related note, even my 580m SLI system runs it on high settings and the visual IQ lost is not very significant which means the game actually scales quite well. I'm a hardcore videophile and outside of the water, the game looks very similar on High Vs Ultra.
     
  40. J.Dre

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    30 FPS is barely playable for me. I'm kind of shocked (and disappointed) to see the 780M's performing that poorly. I expected a steady 40+ FPS on Crysis 3, at the very least.
     
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    Not need to be disappointed, I think. 780m is a young product with much potential, which is only these beaheld back by nvidia conservative approach. Besides, even most performing desktop cards face their moment of lag and stutter now and then, more due to the way the game is (un)optimized than anything else. Once the 780m's true power will be unleashed by a properly modded vBIOS you'll see its true power. Just consider what happened to the 680m. At stock clocks they are decent cards that might may struggle with certain games at ultra, which started showing their muscles only after they were unlocked. Maybe you wanted these new cards to be amazing at stock, and I can understand where your disappointment comes from; however, I cannot really judge since I still have to see them in action--hopefully soon.
     
  42. daveh98

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    30 is the minimum I saw. Most games that are less intensive can hit the 40s (borderland 2). I am sure my minimum is even lower. I just am happy that intensive scenes are around 35-50fps. This is at stock of course. I don't overclock outside of benching (which is rare) or when I need it (GTA IV Icemod etc).
     
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    People need to remember the perspective here. The 680 and 780 are both from the Kepler line. The 780m just has the full shader count and has bumped up the frequency from what I know. Honestly, I thought a refresh would give a 10% improvement. This isn't the case. I know for certain I am running horrible drivers. When the newer drivers are released over the next several months you can sure bet on the fact the 700 series will take priority over the 600 series.

    I hate to say this, but I do believe Nvidia does put a bit of forced obsolescence in their support. Nothing until Maxwell is in the pipeline. A great way to get new buyers is to really focus on driver support. For some evidence of this look at what happened with Crysis2 and the AMD line. The 6990 was really just a turbocharged 6970. However it's performance in Crysis 2 was beyond what "should" have been the performance difference. Developers will do this as well. Again, with Crysis 2, are we really to believe that they let someone put a fully tessellated water level on a level that did not have water (the water was located under the cement). Poor coding checking? Or a sneaky way to make people believe their hardware is insufficient?

    The 780m is not an order of magnitude greater than your 680m. It is more powerful, has shown ability to overclock just as well (if not better) and it's been in the hands of enthusiasts for a matter of weeks with no reviews, driver support, etc. This is no 580 to 680 jump. However the jump is more than I suspected it to be.
     
  44. GTO_PAO11

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    Well, Crysis 3 is not optimized anyway and it will have fps drops just like Crysis 1 so it's common anyway even with a strong powerful card.

    daveh, can you give me in game benchmarks for Skyrim and Arkham City?
     
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    Why use MSAA? It is a well known fact that MSAA haves all nvidia cards.
     
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    Daveh98. Which version of Nvidia drivers are you using?
     
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    Man, this new m18 is awesome! You can play sky rim on battery at 40FPS. I love this machine!!!
     
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    That is impressive to say the least. Crysis 3 with everything maxed (FXAA) I was getting in the mid/ high 20's on the battery.
     
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    Yes brother. There was no possible to play any games on battery on my m18XR1. Now I need to install windows8 on SSD!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  50. J.Dre

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    Yeah, I understand. I just assumed it would be more... But don't get me wrong, it's still a very nice system. I'm actually saving up for one myself, but I won't have enough saved until next spring, most likely. So, I will likely be grabbing the first revision of the 18.
     
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