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    Modified vbios for GTX580M at widezu69's request

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Saltius, Oct 7, 2011.

  1. Johnksss

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    40c = 3000 Rpm
    45c = 3000 Rpm
    50c = 3300 Rpm
    55c = 3700 Rpm
    60c = 4000 Rpm
    65c = 4000 Rpm
    70c = 4000 Rpm
     
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    Here's my logic... I run Vantage at much higher clocks than you and my temps are much lower... I mean 20c lower!

    No one I know here has ever hit those temps on vantage even in OC with 580's

    How's that for logic? :cool:
     
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    and that might be the logic...but i could be wrong... :) :D


    yes. just not at 5000 rpm...you'll find that you will get drastic results...hard to tell how long it will take...maybe a run or two...maybe 20 minutes.
     
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    Johnksss, as always, thanks for wording it perfectly! + rep :D
     
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  8. Johnksss

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    hummm, for a guy who doesn't know anything....i seem to be doing alright.
    [​IMG]

    but when your laptop over heats...i will be saying...i told you so.. ;)
     
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    You forgot to type BAM! Here you go, I'm right and you are wrong! lol
     
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  11. Johnksss

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    rotflmao!

    nah, he'll find out. just like the rest of us did...not sure how he thinks it's just going to skip him. :D

    but hey...there is a first for everything...i was just trying to help, you know.
     
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    and this coming from the guy who attacked a dell rep..*facepalm*
    sorry, no personal attacks here...you spoke your opinion on the matter and i just gave facts...nothing more.


    again...you'll find out.

    but you have a nice day... :)
     
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    yo batboy, can we get a thread clean up in here...thanks!!
     
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    No one is attacking you bro, maybe just maybe there's a slight very small possibility that you are wrong and he is right.... just consider that.

    There could be a number of things happening here, but those temps at normal clocks are insane! they are 32-35c higher than everyone else... why fix the fan when right there you have an issue to begin with... am i wrong?
     
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    But as Johnksss stated, there have been a few threads on this and Dell has already stated it's not possible to increase higher than 4000, perhaps due to power or whatever the case...

    My point is that the laptop's cooling is arguably the best in the market, and at stock speeds with Vantage it is almost a given that you should be around 68-75c anything above that you got issues with pasting or room temperature are high... 104 as you stated in Vantage Jane Nash is absurd.... I went as high as 850mhz and managed to stay below 86c!.... see where I'm going? as far as Furmark... who cares, it's pointless... it will probably raise the temps to 100c given the right time on any system, I never run that crap.

    Hope we can clarify all this and all get along, this is an awesome community man, and having guys like John here is awesome as he helps shape the performance profile on these machines....
     
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    here is the deal...
    when using hwinfo to max your fans..it cause a problem with the ec form the bios

    max fans turns the fans on at their max rated speed of 4k(even if you can set it to 7k)

    then when you play a game or benchmark...the temp of the cpu and gpu come into play causing the bios to try and take over the max fans you set.

    and since it can't take full control..it resets the fans to off, then the gpu 1 fan spins up and is the only fan running...no cpu or gpu 2 fan...after a bit..the cpu fan may or may not spin on at all.

    you also have to disable the compal ec reoprting in the sensor menu...this helps to keep the fans running...but they need to alternate between the 3. in speed/temp wise..

    so we use the custom auto profiles and keep the fans below 4k...when running higher...they get to acting stupid later...


    hope this helps you to understand... :)
     
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    flashing bios fans and hwinfo fans @ 4k run the same speed.



    answering other post:

    ok...for starters...get off of furmark..that's the main problem right there.( it just maxes everything..it does not simulate fans spinning up and down) as much posting you doing about furmark..im surprised they are even replacing your gpus!.. :D :D....seriously my friend...let that go... :)

    play a game or run vantage or 3dmark11 or crysis2 or dead island or rage or borderlands
     
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    it's pretty easy to do.
    i just did it right now.
    set max fans to 4000k
    then run the bios installer and see if they get louder.
    mine don't...maybe your one of the lucky ones that does...but for the rest of us...that seems to be the order of the day.

    you can set it to 7k then....shouldn't matter right?
     
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  26. Xeneize

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    Anyone can make a mistake. + rep :D
     
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    + rep as well.

    no worries.

    and that's part of what we are working on with dell. so hold tight...hopefully things can get done after the meet..*praying*
     
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    I hope you are on your knees there. Otherwise it may not count, and the solution to this problem needs A LOT of faith.
     
  29. neosis

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    [​IMG]

    that's my idle temperature. seems a bit high to me.

    (and im forcing all fans to run on 4000 RPM, even when less than 50C, just to keep it extra cool)

    i'm thinking they didn't paste my cards correctly. :(
     
  30. Xeneize

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    IMO that's temp on idle isn't bad... I run 55-58c on idle... I need a pasting job pronto
     
  31. Saltius

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    Update two new vbios in the top post.



    Similar question. Did you guys ever notice a difference between simply vbios OC, software OC(including overvolting by vbios first then overclocking by software) and vbios/software combined OC(e.g. flashing the OC vbios first then adjusting the clocks by software)?
     
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    i think you better have a look at our lastest results in the m18x benchmark thread....*snickering*

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...are-m18x-benchmark-thread-96.html#post7990785

    but both ways seem to work for me...+ rep
    great work your doing over there!
     
  33. Xeneize

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    These last Mods I tested ran with no micro stutter even at high clocks and 0.92
     
  34. neosis

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    Seriously man, thank you! +rep
     
  35. Xeneize

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    No kidding, thanks man +rep!

    Ps: By top you mean post#1 right?
     
  36. Saltius

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    Exactly.
    And just now I also add AW_GTX580M_06_840_1000_092.ROM and AW_GTX580M_06_840_950_092.ROM to vbios_1.zip in case some of you can't reach 850MHz.
     
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    i only see one draw back with this way of doing things...
    no way to change the voltage on the fly....any way to figure this out?

    edit:
    850/L/1000 crashes in jane nash after about 15 seconds.
    dropping it down to 845 allows it to complete in the 32.8k range.
    it shuts off in 3dmark06 at these clocks.
     
  38. neosis

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    Saltius (or anyone else for that matter),

    is there any way you can be more descriptive about what each vbios you've created does? I think with 10+ vbios now stretched between those two zip files, I have no idea which one is suitable for me.

    I guess I can just ask:

    I want my cards to run flawlessly on stock clocks. I have no interest in overclocking whatsoever. Microstuttering makes me sad. Is there a difference between .92V and .87V for someone who has no interest in overclocking? Is there any advantage to giving the GPU's more voltage for the sake of stability, even if they aren't being overclocked?

    Which vbios would be best for me?
     
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    you should just try the one stock bios with .92 and see what happens.
    this is the only other solution to completely stock.
    run a game or two and see what you come back with...

    and don't do any performance tweaking stuff..just run application controlled.
     
  40. Red Line

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    i think i figured out why i couldn't reach more than 25.7K for GPU score. the answer was obvious - CPU bottleneck! 2630qm can't handle the speed of 580M SLI when OC'ed, while stock remains stable all the time. i tried to bump the BCLK to 105, so the CPU was at 2.72Ghz instead of 2.6Ghz for all cores and my GPU score jumped to 26.7k. I might consider to try at least 2920xm ES for these bad boys and manage to hit 41-43x multi for 24/7.
     
  41. bluejamesbond

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    that would be great an idea...please include the 0.92 V mod with that as well :D

    EDIT...PLEASE IGNORE THIS POST...MY BAD
     
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    :eek: i thought we mentioned that to you a while back... :)



    to all those thinking...

    as to this every one thinking they can max out the cpu at clocks ranging from 4.0 to 4.8...it's not a reality...this is a laptop and not a desktop. :)

    if your running high cpu over clocks in balanced mode...then that would seem more realistic..the higher you go. but 100 percent load at 100 percent of the time...not gonna happen... :)
     
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    yep, you sure did! just a confirmation) if i get my hands on es xm CPU i'll update my results for sure :)

    what i'm saying is if i manage to get it 100% stable 40/40/40/40 for 24/7 i'll be more than happy till Ivy Bridge release :cool: but for benches 45x could be my dream edge. you know, i've got a laptop pad + it's getting pretty cold in Ukraine right now, around 50C) just open the window and i don't have to worry about the temps :D
     
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    then your good to go. :)

    you can technically run at 45x..but you wont be able to hold 45x for ever....now me...this sint my only rig for doing heavy cpu stuff..i have a few others that can do that. so this is why i can run 45x up to 48x for every day use and not worry about temps. i did it for a few days, but now im back to stock.. :)
     
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    With the unlocked BIOS you can set it even 45-45-45-45 and stay under 90C with the following:

    1) Good paste job
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    2) Room temp below 70f
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    3) Elevated back/coolerpad
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    4)maxed fans

    Funny, I'm running @2.7 locked right now. Temps never go above 70C (Prime95/gaming) and no worrying about ambient any more
     
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    Anyone try blackops multiplayer with your high overclocks? For me even though I can do all benchmarks and even more intensive games like Bfbc2, bf3 at 850core 100% stable for some reason blackops crashes with bccode 116 and is 100% stable only at 785core. Please do some extensive testing playing b-ops multiplayer and see if it is more sensitive with your guys overclocks as well.
     
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    Yea I had to go back to stock on my system .... unfortunately I use this for work, on battery power, and at 45x across the board i was getting some weird issues and crash on battery :p

    back to stock.... but it was fun :)
     
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    you see me...lol right back to stock.

    when running high over clocks...you need to have c1e and balanced mode on...so the chip is not maxing out it's volts all the time.
     
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