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    *OFFICIAL* Alienware M18xR1/R2/18 Benchmark Thread - Part 3

    Discussion in 'Alienware 18 and M18x' started by Mr. Fox, Aug 31, 2013.

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    Speaking of golden chips, does any here have a golden XM? My 3920xm is pretty unremarkable topping out at 4.6ghz on 4/8 cores/threads at 50 flex.
     
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    My chip is far from being a golden sample! haha!
     
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    exactly, try to find an ES chip or cherry picked one then you're set, and a good mobo too

    heres a cool little gadget, nothing official yet though. bridge between cpu and 2ndary gpu. http://img221.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=193321290_bridgemodule_122_1145lo.jpg but one thing for sure its way better than soldering individual pipe and try to bend them yourself, too much work.
     
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    How's this coming along?
     
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    it was with kingston at computex 2014. right now their impact memory lineup on their website only show 2133 and OCable to 2400. if they only make release of these type of ram I ain't gonna buy it, cause bio settings and XTU settings will likely not stick. if they do bring out 2400 and 2666 i'll be in for sure. likely only 2400 though cause 2666 was OC'ed
     
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    Yeah I read it was available today. Ill give it a squizzy when I get a breather.

    Where's the your score to get the ball rolling brother Reborn? ;)
     
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    Haha - just started downloading it myself. Heading out now so will have to wait to try to post a score later.
    There was some issues in the comments in terms of certain nvidia drivers. Black screens and stuff so hopefully it will run fine for most right off the bat.

    Something cool to try out though :thumbsup:

    Cheers. :)
     
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    "If a system scores less than 2800 in Fire Strike you should" consider finding something else to do, LOL.

    It's too bad they burned up resources on another benchmark tool that caters to crappy hardware. But, if nothing else it should be entertaining to have something new to play around with.

    Looks like AMD and NVIDIA both need to tweak their drivers for this. Besides black screen reports, it looks like the R9 290X has trouble with it, having a 14K graphics score compared to 27K+ for 7970 and 30K+ with 780.
     
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    What a waste of space. Isn't this kind of test already covered in those first 2 useless 3d Mark benchmarks. Seems like the kind of thing you'd bench using a iGPU.. Yawn
     
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    Interesting experience... Samsung 840 EVO 250GB SSD, before firmware update/RAPID disabled and after firmware update and RAPID MODE enabled... :)

    [​IMG]

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    start-up times of the OS somehow remains the same, but the overall snappiness and performance can be felt immediately, fresh reinstall of the OS and multiple software packages were loading so fast like never before, I cant recall this level of performance even when I had these SSD's in RAID0, neither my Vertex4 in RAID0 were this fast :D Im pleasantly surprised I must say
     
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    imho I think any benchmark is almost useless. I would only use them when testing performance to make sure nothing is wrong with the hardware lol just my personal opinion.

    don't get tricked, Rapid mode is only useful when during heavy high Queue writes, otherwise its as useful as a slice of bread. the speedyness you felt is likely because you reinstall OS, thats window for you. on another note, shoulda wait for samsung 850 pro, or sandisk extreme Pro with 10 years warranty, OR hyper S II SLC 256gb lol
     
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    During the physics test it was around ~95°C toward the end, which would be expected with a 4.5GHz OC under that kind of load. As I mentioned, this is with the machine sitting in my lap and nothing but its own fans cooling it, so that's not too shabby. Also, remember it is a Ivy Bridge CPU and has a higher thermal shutdown point. My 4930MX would have throttled like a son of a witch and shut the system down trying to do this physics test under identical conditions. My trusty old Ivy XM just puts its head down like an angry bull and plows on through it like the trooper it was born to be.
     
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    I hope to buy me a bigger power supply after the holidays, I have not much more watts from the power supply to go on longer. My cpu love volts, should I increase my overclocking then using the computer too much current from the power supply. During my physics score in 3dmark is the temperature of the cpu around 79 degrees Celsius. And that's with only 2 heatpipes on CPU .. How hot are your cpu at around the same score? View attachment 113082
     
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    Here you go...
    temps.jpg
     
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    Thank you
    When it seems that my temperatures are fairly decent considering that i only have 2 heatpipes on my alienware 17 Have you maybe some temperature measurements on Alienware 18 also with about the same score?:hi2:
     
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    I just realized that I still had ShadowPlay turned on when I ran that previous benchmark. Here's another run with exactly the same settings, 350 3DMark points higher with ShadowPlay turned off...

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3920XM Processor Extreme Edition,Alienware M18xR2

    [​IMG]

    Maybe this weekend I will run some benches with the Alienware 18 for you. I don't bench the Alienware 18 that much any more because it's so frustrating that I can't overclock the crap out of the GPUs like I can on the M18xR2. It usually makes me too upset. I'm pretty sure with exactly the same overclock settings as this example it will shut itself off.
     
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    :DYes it is nice with good hardware. But look at this disaster. This is absolutely terrible by a famous manufacturer. Horror! :cry: MSI GS60 Ghost Pro 3K Edition (2PEWi716SR21) Notebook Review - NotebookCheck.net Reviews
    Why make msi this horror monster ??? :confused:
     
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    I reinstall my OS once every few weeks, so believe me I can recall how it feels every time I reinstall it and while loading ~15GB software's immediately after Im done with drivers I can tell you what it feels like :D

    could have should have would have, im not in a "waiting game" for the new technology to come out, I use what I can get to match my needs now, and so far machine feels great even after everything's done and loaded, still snappier than before and I cant stop noticing while loading unloading VM's or other heavier tools and so on. Pretty impressed with this RAPID "stuff" as I was having some issues with 2 x Samsungs in RAID mode in my system for whatever reason, slowing down, freezing, and just not feeling like it was in RAID0 mode at all even comparing to pair of vertex4's I had RAID'ed before, so I have went and set from RAID to ACHI in bios, and did a test with the outcome results surprisingly great :) I was not expecting anything close to what I got, so to me is more than a slice of bread, more like a XXL FRUIT-PIE :D
     
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    Should be fun to see some tests and temperatures from you. :biggrin:
     
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    OK, so here it is in all of its unfortunate power-crippled glory... *sigh*

    Alienware 18 - 780M SLI - NO GPU OC

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4930MX,Alienware 01W2J2

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    Alienware 18 max 4.3GHz 780M SLI max GPU OC w/o shutdown

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4930MX,Alienware 01W2J2

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    Alienware 18 max 4.5GHz 780M SLI max GPU OC w/o shutdown

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4930MX,Alienware 01W2J2

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    Alienware 18 4.5GHz - 780M (1) max stable GPU OC

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4930MX,Alienware 01W2J2

    [​IMG]
     
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    my 2x s301 blow samsung 840 evo and 840 pro out of the water, especially during initial part of the install right after i install bunch of software both the sammy slow down dramatically. if you feel faster with just single drive because of rapid good for you, but you are correct rapid mode is software based and will only happen after window boot up, so it will not give a faster boot speed, which is something we can only obtain with a raid array for now until PCIE and NVMe comes out.

    another note, rapid mode isn't working right now with raid however it maybe in the future because samsung is supporting their server SSDs in raid with rapid.

    bigger pie might not taste as good lol

    ps. it won't be long till some of the newest and fastest SSD come out, i'd say 2-3 months.
     
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    Yeah, I hope so, too.
     
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    Hey thanks for the results and pictures. I have not downloaded skydrive test, do not know if I care about the test. Where I am now I have a crappy internet speed of download ( 3mb). Is there any point in try it? What I wonder is whether physics score is the same on skydrive as firestrike in 3dmark? Do you have a physics score of 11400-11600p in firestrike ?. Is it a normal score with 10500p under physics score with 4x43? I have over 11800 p in firestrike with 4x42.You have a temperature of about 85 degrees Celsius with an overclock at 4x43. Then your temperature slightly higher than my cpu With 2 heatpipes. Can I see 1 test with firestrike with 4x43. (Please)
    Thank you
     
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    You're getting really good results. I think you have the best 4930MX example I have seen. Don't ever let that CPU slip out of your hands. If you ever need a system exchange, try to swap them out because there are not very many that work well and your chances of getting another that works as well are very slim.

    Click the links in my signature to see all of my benchmarks for the M18xR2. The leaderboard has hyperlinks to the Alienware 18 benchmarks I have posted. My Fire Strike Physics score is over 12.5K with 3920XM and about 11.7K with 4930MX. I actually do recommend Sky Diver. My score above made in in the Futuremark Hall of Fame (for now anyway). Sky Diver is part of the same 3DMark suite as Fire Strike. There are also new Ice Storm tests (Extreme and Unlimited) for more potent machines than before. Below is a moderate GPU overclock with one AC adapter with Ice Storm Extreme.

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3920XM Processor Extreme Edition,Alienware M18xR2

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    Thanks I will do. Will update all 3dmark surely. It takes both their time with my sad internet speed. It will be fun and look at the new test
    Ps :You are certainly glad that you still have the previous model of Alienware 18 And that works so well. Do you think one application of liquid ultra lasts long before you have to apply again?
     
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    yes i have had liquid ultra for awhile now and still running good. 4.7ghz with hyperthread disabled and custom heatsink gets me 82C max at fan 3300 only. i haven't tried with gaming + 4.7ghz cpu yet though, don't think my single PSU would do me any good.
     
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    I am amazed how long Liquid Ultra is lasting. It has not shown any significant amount of degradation yet. I forget exactly when I applied it, but it has been a good while now.
     
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    I actually wanted to test a method of reapply, sand it lightly but still leave it on cleary visable and use apply fresh ones see how that goes. as long as most air gap is filled it should be good, by laws of physics lol
     
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    It might even be better that way, as long as the surface is totally smooth and uniform.
     
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    And as I remember, I think the people of alienware 18 (how to overclock the alienware 18 and Haswell CPU s messed up stock bios) applied liquid ultra in late January.:hi2:
     
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    Yes, but I redid it because about a month later I wanted to see what it looked like so I think that was late February. Still very good results.
     
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    Do you see if there is any change? maybe 1-2 degrees higher or nothing?
     
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    I also re-applied after about 3 months. First application I only spread on the CPU chip. Second application I applied some to the HS too. Funny thing is, the metal showed now sign of hardening or degradation. As to temperature differences, pretty much the same. It's a little hard to tell, which tells me this stuff is top notch.
     
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    When the temperature is lower so keeping all the cool pasta much longer. I talked to some computer technicians about my thermal grease experiences with the cooling pasta was destroyed after some use. They did not believe me that my thermal grease does not kept the promise that it would. They referred to their overclocked machine in the shop which was cooled with water cooling and 5ghz. It had the much lower temperature than a laptop. So it's no wonder most cool pasta keeps longer on such a machine. No ordinary thermal grease hold a laptop with some high temperatures (overclocked). It is the only liquid ultra who manage because it is made of as a kind of metal alloy. By regular use keeps this pasta certainly the time you have your computer.
     
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    Hmm.. GPU's throttling on the combined test.

    Anyway here's what I can do so far.

    28304.jpg
     
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    On the subject of Liquid Ultra...

    Since it's 60% gallium by composition, I'm going to assume that the main degradation product would be gallium oxide after prolonged use in the laptop (heat certainly doesn't help here as it only speeds up the oxidation process). Now, gallium oxide dissolves like no tomorrow in any mineral acid (same goes for most metal oxides actually), so if any of you are brave enough you could try applying dilute (1 molar) hydrochloric acid to the heatsink and see if any of the Liquid Ultra comes off. Copper is also completely inert even to concentrated (12 molar) hydrochloric acid, but it will eat aluminum for breakfast.

    I probably wouldn't try acid on the CPU itself, although non-metallic parts are generally inert to dilute hydrochloric acid.

    Some (crazy) food for thought...

    EDIT: Well well well whadayknow, have a look at Coollaboratory's own Safety Data Sheet. Under Section 13 Disposal Information, this is what it says:

    Score one for chemistry :D
     
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    More or less, yes... hardly any change at all. Amazing stuff... it has exceeded all of my expectations.

    As far as cleanup between thermal paste applications, I found no need to do anything special. Using alcohol, cotton swabs and the cleaning pad provided was more than adequate... there should be no need to use hydrochloric acid to remove all traces of the Liquid Ultra from the surfaces.
     
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    It's really meant to be a solution of last resort when everything has dried up/oxidized and caked on to your heatsink/CPU.
     
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    early numbers are out for sandisk extreme Pro Early Numbers - SanDisk Extreme Pro and Crucial MX100. now only sammy 850 pro and Hyper S II to be revealed.

    out of the 3 SSDs above excluding crucial, only Hyper S II sticking to a 3 years old controller but it runs on 16K page SLC flash. can't wait for the review lol
     
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    Hmm the Exreme Pro does appear to be... extremely pro. This will be my next buy, unless the 850 Pro/EVO offers better burst performance.
     
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    i highly doubt that, i feel another overclocking controller + flash coming right up from samsung. 840 pro to 840 evo jump was like that, with SLC masking TLC performance and overclocked controller to get bit of higher results lol.

    but, companies always try to improve so they might really have something decent. waiting game begin
     
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    Here is something interesting to look it. If nothing else, it demonstrates that the new Alienware 18 is capable of performing as well as the M18xR2 except for the frustrating power handling limitation they placed on it.

    These two benchmarks were run at the same CPU clock speed and identical GPU core/memory/voltage settings.

    Fire Strike: Comparison of Alienware 18 versus Alienware M18xR2




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