Windows 10 Drivers [M18xR2]

I just wish the Aussie dollar was doing a little better but it's still a decent price. Hopefully the shipping doesn't kill me. How does the standard 3-pipe heatsink go with the 1070?

 

Are you buying an MSI card or standard MXM? If the former then you will need to mod the heatsink and the mxm port slightly. There is a tutorial by DaMafiaGamer here on how to do it.

 

No it looks like he has a standard MXM so I'd like to grab that one. I'd prefer not to have to do any mods even though the MSI card is better.

 

So far so good... my KSP looks great! I love that I am not worrying about the PSU tripping from the dual 980s and that the heat sink fits so the keyboard and frames fit the way they should.

My gut feel is that the ole M18xR2 is running on borrowed time. I will keep at it until either I hit a game it can't play well (Cyberpunk 2077?) or the motherboard dies. Then it is a slim BGA (shudder!!!!) for the convenience/light weight and a desktop when I need the power (I have a 1070 in there now, but could always go nuts). Maybe once RTX is actually in wide usage.

Homer

 

M18x FOREVER!!!

 

If games supported SLI properly I would be running COD: Modern Warfare right now maxed out at 1080p on my M18x...

Can't justify spending $$$ on the M18x right now with my Area-51m and desktop

 

Will a 1070 in your M18x not handle COD MW at 1080p maxed out?

 

Oh it will. I get 30fps with my single 780M so if I had SLI working it'd be up to 60fps. My point is one of my GPUs is being wasted.

I would LOVE a Quadro P5200 in my M18x, even a 1070 but I'm just wasting $$$ to make a third gaming computer play recent titles.

I already have my AW Area-51m with i9-9900K/RTX 2080 and it's more portable, has 144Hz G-Sync panel

and I also have my desktop Intel Xeon E5-1660V3 (8-cores)/AMD Radeon VII hooked up to my 55" 4K TV & 110" projector.

If I find a 1070 for cheap one of these days I might do it. Or if we get some newer GPU working (Maybe next gen in MXM Type-B or even 2000 series) I might consider it.

 

Fair deuce, I only have my beloved m18x r2 so yeah

 

If I only had my M18x, it would have a Quadro P5000 by now in it. I was going to buy one a year ago I think and it was a decent price, just didn't justify it at the time due to school.

I agree 1070 is the perfect upgrade for our M18x right now. Price new from eBay isn't tooooo bad either.

 

I am already thinking of the next step GPU upgrade wise could be, hence why in another thread I am trying to see how viable (or not) a 1080 would be.
I doubt the mobile Quadro RTX 6000 will be a lower price any time soon and if it is then 1080 is likely to be cheaper too...

 

The 1070 I just ordered on here cost me almost the same as what a 1060 was going to cost me off eBay. The eBay 1070's from China will cost me close to $900AUD while I scored this one for $650AUD. My M18x will return as being my primary gaming machine and I can finally get BL3 and RDR2

 

I thought that with the 1080 power requirements and the die placement, it wasn't an option on the M18x.

 

1080 has power issues in the M18x and M17x series.

As of right now our best options are...

GTX 1070 (cheapest and performs well)
Quadro P5000 (Kinda obsolete after 1070 became standard mxm 3.0b)
Quadro P5200 (requires soldering BIOS chip and a vBIOS but should perform up to 1080 level)

RTX 5000 mxm (very expensive, not exactly fully MXM 3.0b form factor, may require BIOS chip soldered just like P5200)

980M SLI (kinda pointless with 1070 here now and no SLI issues with 1070)

1060 (A budget option but I'd rather save a bit more and get the 1070.

 

Yes the standard size MXM has the die in the wrong place to be able to use the existing m18x heatsinks but there is the Zotac 1080 MXM which I think has the die in the right spot, it's this one:

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/233422075514

The seller (who seems to be an NBR member too) claims m17x r4 can take it).

But I haven't tested the fit myself so not 100% it would fit, but it looks like it could.

 

Hey @Homer S where did you grab your 1070 driver from? Or did you make your own?

I'm hoping my new card will be waiting for me at work when I go back on the 6th. I've just finished installing Windows 10 UEFI on my machine and I may as well get the driver ready to go.

EDIT: I think I managed to mod my own driver but since I don't have the card in my machine I couldn't confirm the GPU card code. Can you check your Device Manager and check that it's 1BE1? My code for the .inf looks like this;
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1BE1&SUBSYS_05501028

Oh, and did you have to disable the Legacy ROM in the BIOS after switching to UEFI?
Cheers.

 

These from ssj62. I did disable Windows 10 from upgrading them. Google or look back earlier in this thread. I'm still in Legacy, no UEFI at all.

Homer

 

Ahh ok. I read in one of the threads that it had to be used in UEFI. Too late now but hopefully it works fine.

 

This works both in the m17X R4 and AW 17 R1 with external display.

but runs best in m17X R4.

it throttle , maybe due to power requirement from the mxm slot.

This is a basic run of fire strike.

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/16374866

 

I scored about 19.2k graphics score with my 1070, so I imagine it might be better invested to just tune the 1070

 

Yes which is great result but you tweaked the crap out of it, imagine what you could do with an equally tweaked 1080 and your OC'd 3920XM you would likely break the 20k barrier easily!

 

I merely tuned it, it's running a 115w vbios or it throttles in latest titles.

 

I'm at work now so cant check, how would I confirm what TDP my 1070 has in its vbios? Does GPU-Z show that?

Also, what is your GPU score in Time Spy please, on the same set up as your 19.2k score in Fire Strike? If you haven't modded or tweaked your 1070 much I wonder how much of your gain from 14k to 19k comes from your heavily overclocked XM CPU which I believe runs at 4.4GHz no?

My stock MSI 1070, no tweaks, achieves the below in Time Spy. I have a 3920XM as well, no tweaks or overclocks.

 

Im not sure if Hwinfo or GPU-Z would show that, for me I just look at HWInfo and determine based on how much it pulls during gameplay/load and determine from there.

Definitively you could also just read it with a programmer and then look at it through Coolanes Pascal tweaker.

In fact I need to lower it a bit more, probably 118 Max with a 115 target to get more consistent user experience. Anything above 120w throttles and 135+ trips a shut down even though Im still in low 60s.

The run at the time is with 4.3Ghz and a + 175c + 500m. Trying to maintain 1700+ core can be difficult.

I havent run Timespy yet, but maybe this weekend I can run it, as I will be installing a water cooler hopefully.

 

Right, I will have a look into how I can check that with a programmer.

On an odd chance, have you tried to mitigate the throttling with the SG/iGPU/SG restart trick?

If I was to look at my 1070 in HWInfo then it pulls 139W during TimeSpy and does not throttle (theoretically) with the restart trick. If for whatever reason the EC craps put whatever it craps out when throttling starts, I cant get above 49W in the same Time Spy test and the result is half of what it should be at 2.6k.

Perhaps you dont need to reduce the TDP but only do the restart trick to avoid throttling? Long shot as you have likely already tried that!

 

No I havent tried that, Your saying its a sleep bug of some sort? I think I have sleep state disabled at the moment but I could try that as well.

I will not use SG mode at all, renders the whole exercise moot as the user experience in my opinion is ruined.

 

Well I may be wrong but when you mentioned throttling I thought you were experiencing the same issue as I did when I put the MSI 1070 in my M18XR2, but perhaps it isn't the same thing in your M17XR4...the only way a 1070 works in a m18xr2 is in SG mode due to the screen being LVDS rather than EDP, so the restart trick works via switching from SG to iGPU, letting the machine boot up and then going to BIOS again and switching back to SG - upon restart there is no throttling. I say no although the score in Time Spy doubles but HWInfo still says Performance Limit - Power as Yes, so there may still be some throttling but not as much.

So yeah, I didn't realise perhaps a m17r4 already has an EDP screen so you wouldnt need to run the 1070 in SG mode at all...

 

I am not using the m17x r4, but an Alienware 17 R1

 

And you dont have to run the 1070 in SG mode to make it work?

I give up then

 

No, I run PEG mode via eDP

 

Do I need to set it to SG before installing the 1070?

 

Hi guys,
My 1070 arrived this morning and I'd like to see if I can get it installed tonight.
Can anyone help with the correct steps to take before I plug her in?
I already have the unlocked BIOS installed and modded driver ready to roll. I'd just like to know exactly I need to set in the BIOS.
Windows 10 is installed on UEFI
Thanks!

 

I used the below guide by @DaMafiaGamer for my m18xr2:

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/to...&share_fid=33462&share_type=t&link_source=app

 

Thanks. I actually went ahead and installed the card as I was pretty sure I had everything in place.
I set the BIOS to SG and after physically installing the card I booted up and one one my RAID 0 SSD's decided to fail so I couldn't boot. I grabbed a single SSD I had that already had Windows 10 installed and threw it in. I quickly modded the driver again and cleaned everything using DDU. Then I disabled driver signature enforcement and the driver seemed to install fine. It's the newest 441 driver from Nvidia.
The problem now is that the card shows in Device Manger but with the Error 43.
GPU-Z sees the card but with no BIOS. I have no Nvidia Control Panel. I have no idea what to try first.

Do I go back to PEG once everything is installed or does it stay on SG?

 

Not sure on Error 43 but you will need to stay on SG afterwards, I think I read somewhere that switching back to PEG while the 1070 card is inside will cause drama, but I may be wrong.

 

ok thanks. I'll see if I can figure out what is going on.

 

Try reinstalling the driver again, carefully look at the inf mod, try different sections...

If that fails I’m afraid you may have a faulty card. This happened to my eurocom 1070. Died straight after driver install and always showed error 43 afterwards...

I hope you bought the black pcb one or msi one

 

Yeah I got the black PCB 1070 from one of the guys here. Just got it this morning.
Could it be a vBIOS issue?
I’m going to try a driver that’s been modded by someone else just to make sure.


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Seemed to me the steps were (better reboot between steps)

Set IGFX
Remove old card(s)
Install latest Intel drivers
Set SG and leave it there forever! / Install new card
Boot to bypass driver signatures, install modded NVIDIA drivers & Tell Windows 10 to keep it's dirty paws off of the NVIDIA hardware
Profit

As for hardware changes and a RAID whine from the BIOS, did you reboot a time or two? It generally goes away. Not sure on Error 43... sounds bad...

Homer

 

Error 43 could also be wrong corrupt vbios

Happened to me upon my first attempt with coolanes pascal tweaker as I didn't verify the newly programed vbios.

Went back to my backup and verified integrity of the vbios, reflashed and was good to go, no more error 43.

That being said error 43 is a scary error usually.

 

Thanks for all the advice. I was up late last night trying to sort it out but got nowhere. I’ll try the things you suggested. I’ll start from scratch and see how it goes.
It’s going to be a tough day at work


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I quickly uninstalled the driver and downloaded/installed the one Homer suggested earlier in the thread this morning before work (at 5:20am...) but still has an Error 43. While it was driverless I checked GPU-Z and the vBIOS shows up as 86.04.56.00.3A. When the driver is installed this info disappears.
I hadn't updated the Intel drivers so I guess I'll try that tonight.

 

Which process did you use to stop the auto updates for Nvidia?

 

It was something along these lines, using gpedit.msc.

Homer

 

Thanks mate.
If I get a chance tonight I will remove the 1070 and do a clean Windows install. I will get everything fully updated and then try to install the card. If it fails again then I'll try the vBIOS. If that doesn't work then I'm screwed.
Are you using the A11 unlocked system BIOS?
Also, are you able to check what vBIOS you are running? Thanks.

 

Well I think this card is dead. I’ll just cry myself to sleep after sinking all this money into it.
I reinstalled Windows 10 and started the installation from scratch. I installed the Intel driver you linked earlier. I disabled auto Nvidia updates and downloaded the modded driver you linked.
The 1070 was showing as a Microsoft Basic adapter before I tried installing the driver but the installation failed (disabled driver signature first) and now it’s gone from the Device Manager. It does show an Nvidia GFX in the BIOS but that’s it.
I can’t install a driver if the Device Manager doesn’t see it.
Time for bed.


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I’ve been through the same pain, it infuriated me too. I was literally going to rip out the card and snap it in half lol. Send the card back to the seller and ask for a refund. Try sourcing the msi variant of the card, they are solid and don’t usually go wrong... They can handle more stress and heat, I know from having at least 10 of them in the past.

It’s worth the heatsink mods

 

I bought the card from one of the guys here. I doubt he’d take it back. I don’t think I’d bother throwing more money at it if this one is a brick.
I’ve pulled this machine apart countless times over the years with my old 780M’s and never had a problem. If I had any hair left, I’d be tearing it off


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I feel for you bro, a damn shame it has turned out this way.

Dont give up!

PS. Not that I doubt your assembly skills, but have you checked the card is seated correctly? In at least one case, below, it seems to have been the issue.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/to...&share_fid=33462&share_type=t&link_source=app

 

Yeah I’ve tried a few times. Maybe it was something I did when trying to disable auto updates in the group policy editor. Maybe I disabled the card completely.
Just woke up and have to get to work so I’ll give it anyone go tonight.
I literally had nightmares about it last night


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