m18x to get GTX 560m and 'other exciting GPU options' in June

The 28nm mobile parts are set in stone, for Q1 of 2012. This is for AMD and Nvidia.

There's no point in discussing how 500M or the XTX will affect 28nm, because they won't, at all.

 

Any new 40nm cards won't affect 28nm mobile's roadmap, although the other way around is certainly possible

yes, because that has everything to do with AMD and nothing to do with Dell

 

i guess 28nm mobile parts will come in late q2 or early q3 2k12 as very little spoilers going on and also supply matters when first 40nm came the production was very little so it will happen with 28nm as well

i really really wish it 580ms and 6990ms dont delay the 28nm parts because they are already very powerful and can max out any game except metro2033 and probably battlefield 3

if 580m = downclocked 560 ti and 6990 = downclocked 6870

the 28nm flagship might very well perform slight downclocked gtx 570 and downclocked 6950/6970?? raises the bar more higher

the current 485m/6970m how does it perform in metro 2033 at

1080p, aaa, tess on, dof off, physics off, very high/high in dx 11 settings??

 

For AMD 28nm has been taped out. Desktop parts will be out for sale before the end of the year, and mobile parts will launch at CES 2012. Expect a few notebooks to start selling them in March-April 2012. That's the way it always is for AMD. Early rumors are that Wimbledon will be 25% faster than Blackcomb.

A mid-series kicker card has also been traditional, though last year there wasn't one for the HD5000M.

 

If 32nm had hit on time there would have been.

 

Pion2099 hit it dead on for me, I like to buy a new laptop every 2 - 3 years. SO I will wait for a month if it means 5xx series instead of year old 4xx series.

Of course the other great thing I am looking forward to in ALienware is upgrading over time...

Watching Joker unbox almost made me order though ... almost...

 

I don't mind waiting till end of June just to see "what's up" and also to see the first of the kinks get worked out. I don't buy a machine like this all that often, best to get it right.
5xx series and RGBLED are on the wishlist - but don't really know if either will be solved by then. Have to see.

 

is dell up to something now?!?!?!? the alienware website is not working properly! hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

I'm so excited! That's why I hate new technology(part of the way to make business)
- Dual AMD Radeon HD 6990M in CrossFireX?
- RGB LED?
- Crap....

 

I have been talking to a dell rep and he just sent me an e-mail saying that he will contact me on monday with information on the M18x I want to order plus information on a 'new video card' they might be up pretty soon I guess.
here's the exact line from the email:
'we are experiencing a server update and my discount tool still down, as soon as I have the information I will let you know, including the new Video Card!'

 

Good news Could be 560M though since that's been announced by other makers. Holding out for 580M myself, which if that is the "news" then it may well come close to sealing an order. Thanks for the heads up!

 

::looks at the date....::

::looks at the clock...::

be patient....

 

The NDA isn't lifted until June, so he will tell you a bunch of nothing, if he values his job.

 

Lol Kevin, Eric has been leaking stuff about the m18x for ... well, a while now. And, admittedly other then the 485, its all been true.

And he has said the new cards will be announced and shipped in June.

He suggested earlier that they would be announced the first week of June...
This is inline with other things I am hearing, like the 560 appearing in other brands the first week of june.

The real interesting thing to see will be the pricing on these...

 

Dell is never the first to get cards.....and I would not expect them to change their offerings that much within a month of the initial launch....expect to be left waiting on these until like October. That is what happened with the M17x R1 and the 4870s. M17x came out in June, 4870s rumoured/leaked soon after, and not orderable until late October the same year. The build up was huge too because of the rumours that they would be GDDR5 (even supposedly confirmed by dell engineers) but they shipped as GDDR3

I would not believe anything for sure until it can be ordered by dell (and even then not until someone HAS it - order receipts said GDDR5 )

 

just talked to the same tech and now he says that he talked to his marketing dep and they said no new card are coming out anytime soon!, dont know who to believe , I would hate to buy and find out upgrades are just on the horizon. I ordered a m17x R3 literally 20hours before the m18x and had to wait to receive and then return , don't wat to go through that again!

 

Non. Disclosure. Agreement.

Like I said, they are not allowed to tell you anything.

 

lol, I keep checking this thread to see what ridiculous thing someone will say next. "ERIC SAID DAT WE GET NEW CARDS ITS HAPPENING!"

still waiting on those 485m's.....

You really believe Dell would release a refresh this soon for the 460m's and create a load of returns for angry Nvidia fans?

 

Yup, I do Maynard, I do.

 

It's quite possible we will see the 560M in a few weeks. Something more powerful? - I doubt it very much.

 

I think you'll see them "configurable" before Jun 30th.
Now how long they take to ship is item #2, but you'll seem them in configurations to order in the month of June.

 

560M
Configurable in certain systems - in a few days
AW - not so sure.

580M
in AW - very unlikely, IMHO.

 

I think I will buy with the 560s ... unless something else is also offered, I don't think it will quite reach the 6970 power though, wonder what the pricing will be on it too ... but I prefer the 3d solutions with Nvidia ... the Gflops on the 560 are about on par with a 480m ... or at least were when I last saw some crazy Chinese stuff ...

 

OT: any speculation as to what those systems might be?

 

hes under NDA, he knows exactly what systems are going to be using it

 

^^ Just a few more days

 

And I would not expect the GTX 560m to exceed GTX 470m performance.......dam, this is nvidia after all, it could just be a clock bumped GTX 460m

 

Thats exactly what it is Scook, it wont hit the 470 performance. Like I said from what I ahve seen its about equal to a 480m (you know, the worst card ever) ...

Still a decent jump from the 460, still same basic card it looks like though..

 

If that is the case than it is a very forgettable card....lol

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...l-not-available-15in-laptops.html#post7538208 560 sucks

 

You are tripping, if you think the 560M, an overclocked 460M, will come anywhere near the 480M.

It's not happening.

 

I dont think you will see any major new cards available until q3. Its simply a marketing exercise. The AW machines have followed a similar upgrade pattern and I don't think Dell will digress from it.

The R2 should be ready for Q1 2012 and that will have the higher tier options

 

The whole game can change by 2012, though I suspect you won't see real machines of the R2 variety till April, but that's close enough to Q1 really.

Anyway, in the GPU side, Q3 starts in July, so really the only point we are unsure is whether the 580M gets here in June, or July. It is coming, just a matter of when.

 

For what it is worth, with the M17x the R1 came out in June. The new cards in October. The R2 came out in January. New cards for the R2 came out in May.

 

Either way the 28nm cards won't be out till the R2 in 2012. Even if we see the 580m and the 6990 configurable, it won't be that much of an increase in performance. Dell will just have a bunch of pissed off owners with 6970s.

 

Probably around 15%+-3% increase of performance with 560M compared to 460M.

 

I agree Cloud which would put it about on par with a 480m ...

 

I don`t think it will be that far away from 480M. 480M may have more shaders, but 560M have them running on almost twice the speed

 

Yea thats the way I am seeing it play out as well, should be near to/ on par with a 480m.

So, still not as good as even the 470m, or 6970s but still a better Nvidia solution.

I am more interested in the other possible options, but I might consider the 560m as a starter if the 580 isn't released and upgrade later.

 

I too am interested in 560M and 580M. I think 560M offers "enough" performance for me as a guy who game every now and then. But at the same time I want my laptop to feature the best.

I think 580M is right around the corner though. The desktop 500-series have been out for ages and its time we notebook users get our versions as well.

 

We'll see if they bother with the 580M

Something interesting with Nvidia mobile GPUs is that their odd numbered series (since they switched to the new numbering scheme ) haven't had a card above an x60M level. There was the 160M and the 360M but no 180M or 380M etc.

 

the best fastest and only upgrade for AW to progress with is the most powerful mobile GPU currently available.........the Nvidia 485m, why would they bother with anything less

In my opinion they - Alienware/Dell have dropped/lost the ball on this one

 

There's clearly some pseudo-political business reason Alienware didn't use the 485m, and most likely never will.

I highly doubt it's because of cooling or power.

I can tell you this; if the m18x came out with 485m's, I most likely wouldn't have gone back to the R2. I prefer Nvidia to AMD, but unfortunately the m17x and now m18x have always seemed to be AMD favored systems. Not that AMD is inferior or anything, I just prefer the functionality and driver support of Nvidia cards (and always have, way back to the Ti 4200).

 

I doubt Alienware adopts the 485M or 580M, unless Nvidia first adopts sensible pricing.

Dell knows that reviewers will comment nonstop, on how the 485M's performance isn't worth the vs 6970M price premium, so why waste the money it takes to mass produce them?

 

Well tbh Nvidia doesn't really have a lot to learn from Dellienware when it comes to "sensible pricing". It's not like the supposed price premium for a 485m over 6970m (like $400-500 maybe?) is anymore ludicrous than what they charge for these now outdated Samsung ssds. Plus you forget the 3D thing. If 485m were available in the M17X-R3 many of us would have without a doubt went for it.

 

It would be more sensible to offer the 120hz screen in the ati machines because the 3d is gimmick while 120hz can actually be nice.

 

I think you missed the point. Alienware is already seen as an overpriced brand and you don't get the "best of the best" of every single component to justify it to the mass gamer market, Alienware's target demo. Most people settle for a Sager from Xoticpc as is so adding the option for the 485m in SLI would have given Alienware continued bad press as being highly overpriced. It really does not make sense from a business standpoint to include such an overpriced gpu for the 12% on average performance increase. If it were included in the M17x-R3 you probably have a case since the 460m is pretty dated.

My pointless opinion is that they DID have cooling and power issues with the 485m in SLI. Look at how hot people's AMD cards are getting on here as is. 485s in there instead... well you might as well turn it into a pizza oven. mmm pizza.

 

Its not even a 12% lead in sli vs xfire as xfire currently scales better.

 

I get your point mate, but yeah my argument pretty much was that they could've (and should have) offered single 485m card option at least for the m17x-r3. Remember when the r3 came out it was still marketed as their flagship model "the most powerful gaming laptop in the universe" blah blah blah. But seriously the first 3d alienware laptop is only available with the 460m? Adding the 485m to the r3 won't cause bad press at all because it's (at least for the 3d bundle) a really viable option and many of us did want it.

 

Too true!