m18x to get GTX 560m and 'other exciting GPU options' in June

I understand that the price seems very steep, but once and for all we're getting mobile GPU's with DESKTOP power.

I mean the 580m is like a Ti 560. That's nuts. I'll take it.

 

Thankfully I waited. Great news.

 

You're putting quite a few words in his mouth there man, relax a little.

 

Sorry - didnt mean it to sound like that but thats how it came across....apologies in advance!

I should also say that Im very pleased for anyone that is an Nvidia fan that you now have a very strong option to choose on this beast....enjoy it!

 

I don't see why we would be mad lol.

I paid $150 for my Xfire 6970s, and paying almost 10x that for a marginal performance gain is nuts. I have Tri-SLI 570 GTX SC cards in my desktop, so if I finally find something the M18x won't run on high+ settings then I'll just use that. But I don't think that'll happen for quite some time. Also worth noting is that the desktop Tr-SLI cards still ran under $1200. Quite frankly I wouldn't have bought the m18x if the Xfire option was more than 150

 

Top of the line in absolute performance by a marginal amount; bottom of the barrel by far from a price/performance perspective.

 

Too bad it is a $600 upgrade!!!!! And for maybe 5-10% increase not worth it at all.

Also doesnt support 3D or the 120hz screen.

Pass!

 

I was waiting to see who would take that bait.

 

wow $1200? hmm... not interesting at all. Probably keep waiting for 5 or 6 weeks more until coming back from my vacation to see if they are going to offer the ATI 6990M.

 

No problem..no offense was meant and i hope none was taken....I personally dont care who makes the cards lol....what I do care about is performance and price.

If you like Nvidia, you have got the cash for 'em....top banana! - go get 'em and enjoy!

Im kinda looking forward to seeing how much they cost in the UK - something for me have a good chuckle about and to laugh out loud about at least, innit?

 

I'm just curious if anybody has any idea how hot these things are gonna run?

Plus, if the 485s needed 2 power bricks and this is a higher clocked 485, what is it going to need to run? What little portability this thing had seems to be dwindling.

 

Don't stress Stevie, its bad for your hair.

Actually I agree ATI is better value for money / performance ratio. There's no debate there. But I do, however, find them quirky and the threads in this forum support that.

I think its a little like the blond vs brunettes argument. The Nvidia are better looking but have expensive tastes. The ATI are more complex but are cheaper.

 

Hahaha - good analagy there! ..... good job I use L'oreal to cope with the stress factor 'eh? - im nowt like 'ole picard over there on the left lol

 

Yep got mine when it was $150. Now if it was $600 off base I might consider it

 

Ok, lets clarify a few things here:

a) There are benches already out ... NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M SLI - Notebookcheck.net Tech
-at best, currently these cards in sli are running 15% better, but keep in mind those benches were also done on a newer system.
-yes driver support may increase performance ... MAY is a big thing since really these are just 485s with an OC'd. So don't count on the idea that they are 'new' and still need time to develop the drivers.

b) A lot of numbers going around $800, $600 etc:
Clarification, total Cost for SLI 580m $1200 usd for 6970 $400 (currently 320)
-this means the 580m is 300% the cost of the 6970

c) People are saying FINALLY, a powerful option, or FINALLY desktop power in our laptops. There is virtually no meaningful difference in overall power here. At least out of the gate as we are seeing things currently. The 10% or 15% difference (your BEST hope for a 300% price difference) doesn't leap the card into a whole new category from mobile performance to desktop level power. The 6970s have been reviewed extensively, their performance is quite well proven to be worthy of the 560ti that someone her suggests the the 580m represent.

FINALLY, lets just call this like it is. No one here should be talking about this as a game changer, or some new power level not before available. The hyperbole and rhetoric here is ridiculous already. These cards offer a -slight- performance gain for a HUGE price. If you are comfortable with that, awesome, Give'er ! and enjoy your cards. But please stop with the BSing.

Thanks

 

Anyone know if I can buy 580s from dell and do a self upgrade from 6970s?

I bet after these release, 6970s can be had cheaper. I already saw someone feeling out the NBR marketplace with a 6970 interest check.

 

I'm gonna laugh when the 580M tesselation numbers eat 6970Ms alive. Then I'd like to see the "5-10% max improvement" argument tossed around again.

P.S. for those of you saying the 6000 series tesselation is improved, that is true but only for DESKTOP systems. The 6970/6990 are still evergreen with a few optimizations.

 

Can anyone contact his Dell rep and ask for 570m release date or other info? It's a little strange why 485m SLI in 3dmark11 scores 5300 points and 580m sli 6100 with all the games results 4% diff in favor of 580m...
Yeah, 580M is defenitely the king for 3d laptop setup, but it still can't be ordered now 'cause of non certified 3d vison driver issue.

 

3dmark is heavily gpu related. thats why its a better reflection of how games will compare to it. most people game at 1080P these days since the monitors only cost $150. at 1080P anything past 3ghz and crysis 2 doesn't change its frames per second. add a 2nd or 3rd GPU and it does.

 

If those Clevo benches are anything to go by, bearing in mind that a desktop 980 extreme was used too, ive seen people post up some good figures too, whilst using AMD 6970's.

GreaseMonkey posted some stuff here about FPS for some of those games benched using the Clevo. Metro being one of 'em....which, if I'm right, is bloody hard to run well on ANY system....

I think the Clevo got 66 FPS on highest settings with Sli 580m's.....

Would be interesting to see how the 6970's handle the other games...with figures to back it up....just for comparison purposes really. Either way, Im looking forward to seeing some of you guys who are gonna order with these 580m sli cards, posting up some figures etc....for the time being, im gonna be well happy with my far less expensive 6970's! - they will do me for the time being.....I'm just happy to have a working system....

 

I think that I will reorder with 580SLI? Maybe?

 

hmmm might order a pair of 580m in SLI and sell off the 6970m XF to a M17x R2 owner.

 

One benchmark is not a representative sample to give conclusive or accurate performance variance between these two cards.

It is widely seen that the 485m has an edge over the 6970m of about 5 -10%.
I would be very surprised if the 580m does not give at least another 15% on top. But I am happy to wait for the tests to be concluded rather than speculate. I suggest you keep an open mind.

Time will tell.

 

that sounds good lol

 

Yeah, time will tell....it wasnt just one bench though.....Nvidia provided a plethora of gaming results using the Clevo and both single and sli combinations using 580m.....if you enlarge the charts at the bottom of the above link, you can see 'em....

Undoubtedly, the 580m's will surpass the 6970's but to what extent and to what additional cost is yet to be seen or confirmed. If I was looking to buy right now, I think I would be holding off ever so slightly until the performance difference was more "fact" than "fiction".....and also, to see how much that "additional" performance is likely to cost.....

The fact that those results were provided BY Nvidia to Notebookcheck could be seen as maybe slightly ambiguous / optimistic....(only saying based on what Ive heard about previous marketing tactics.....)

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

 

Still, interesting to see what happens......

 

I just love watching the arms race between these two firms.

Ultimately, we the consumers win. The 580M is the latest Nvidia serve and we will soon see the 6990M return.

 

Yeah, its like watching ping-pong....back and forth....ones the king one minute, then its the other and so on and so forth....I think at the end of the day, if your happy with one, great. Some will love Nvidia simply 'cos they do and vice versa....im neither TBH, just want the best performance/cost really.

 

Nice. I knew waiting would have paid off. Too bad I decided to build a Dual GTX 580 desktop. Lmao!

 

guys if you want you can see dual 580M performing here:

YouTube - ‪Crysis2 DX11 on Unreleased NVIDIA GPU‬‏

enjoy, personnaly I liked it.

 

So pricey. I know it's offered for a different niche but still... $$$ for a 560ti basically.

 

over 30 fps, the 6970 do over 70fps.

 

Avg. 70 fps with everything on Ultra and Hi-Res Textures enabled? Not likely.

 

Well according to Notebookcheck, the M18x handles Crysis 2 on ultra at 43.3 fps (and thats using Dell drivers, not AMD which do provide better results)....dual 6970's and 2920xm....not quite 70 fps lol but still very respectable. I havent tried the game yet but it is on my list to install and test out....I imagine that I can probably get it up and running with AMD drivers at a good deal better than 43.3fps....so, I can see that maybe the 6970's can achieve a great deal better. Lets see some users post up some Crysis 2 figures for comparison purposes!!! - wether they can achieve 70fps - I dont know...we shall see....I dont know how much difference the AMD drivers would contribute to an increase in FPS over and above Notebookcheck's figures for the same.

Now wether or not the same site's comparison of the Clevo running the same game on ultra at 70fps is a good point of comparison is anyones guess (as the figures were provided by Nvidia)...until someone can put an M18x with exactly the same spec, side by side with one with the alternative gpu's, we wont really get an true "apples to apples" comparison, will we?

Both options (6970m's or 580m's) will smash most games into oblivion, thats pretty much apparent from a mobile point of view.....they are both immensly powerful gpu options...maybe one moreso than the other but I guess what it boils down to at the end of the day is simply how close you want to be to the "bleeding edge" of gpu technology.

 

avg of 70fps with DX9, with DX11 maxed out its around 30FPS average. 37Fps overclocked.

 

Similar performance and design to a 560 Ti but the power use is MUCH less. That is why they cost so much.

A desktop with similar power/performance would blow your mind

 

How much of a performance to power use difference are we talking about? Is it like +10% performance to -10% power use???

Edit: I meant when comparing to a GTX 485m and 6970m.

 

I was comparing mobile parts to desktop parts. Like GTX 560 Ti performance for 100W instead of 170W

So imagine the power of 3 GTX 560 Ti on one PCIe x16 card......that would cost a fortune of course but be a monster

 

I am extremely disappointed that this will not be 3D supported when they finally post the 580M in SLI on their website. I wonder if that means that if I sit tight, that in a month or two they will support it. Whoever releases this first in SLI/3D 120Hz screen (minimum 17", preferably 18") between Alienware or Sager I will get it.

 

im very happy with my 6970 crossfire, thank you very much!

 

Posted by AnandTech

Quoted from above link:

NVIDIA also was able to point out specific models of notebooks that will be shipping with these parts. Availability in 17" Clevo notebooks should surprise no one, with the P270WN in particular supporting both 3D Vision and SLI'd GeForce GTX 580M's. Alienware's new M18x (which we have en route for review) will also be supporting the GeForce GTX 580M in SLI. And finally, the MSI GT780R shown above will be shipping with the GeForce GTX 570M.

NVIDIA expects notebooks featuring the new GPUs to be available for order from OEMs today.


Now , lets see the prices LOLOLOL

Side note - Im happy with my 6970's too.....

 

Ok I changed my mind, not getting 580M SLi lol!!! $1200 is going towards a burberry watch + some new shoes instead.

 

I was thinking of selling a kidney to afford 'em (j/k) and asking you to help out with cheap medical LOL.....that better be some nice watch and shoes for $1200....

 

There is a China kids who sold his kidney for iphone4 and same case from a China girls sold her virginity for iphone4.

 

That is what they said, but I don't see anywhere this to be true as of today....yet...and Dell Reps are stating verbally the opposite on the telephone due to some sort of HW issue.

 

Crikey - Apple does good marketing at least..... - I may consider a hair cut for an Iphone, thats as much of my bodily parts id give for one....

 

Ya Joker, figured you would come around haha

 

$1200 is one heck of alot of wedge........they arent called the green team for nothing....they want as much of your green as possible....

 

paying $1200 isnt worth it for GTX 580m sli anyway. crysis 2 dx11 ultra wont run at 60FPS anyway for those cards. and when the day comes that we users need a replacement we might end up with the same cards.