Project Freeze(M17/Ocz Whitebook)

Ok, i put it all together.

I put paste (artic silver 5) on the chip, and on the copper pad (both sides)

then i closed the lid and am running it now (Z:\apps\cpustabtest\)

thats the program that got my NB upto 80 degress celcious before, we ran it for 8 min, and i stoped it.

right now its running for 3 min and im already at 73 degress.

check back in 5 min for an update.

 

listen to some music and run 3dmark06 to see if you stutter.

 

I have to do the test over, last time I did not use the laptop cooler, this time i did and the temps are not going more than 74 deg cel with the cooler.

running test again this time flat on desk with no laptop cooler.

What is 3dmark 06? send me a link where to find it please.

cant i just use this program Z:\apps\cpustabtest\ to do the music stutter test?

 

OMG,

i totaly forgot to tell you somthing

this test today is with a diffrent fresh install of vista.

also my raid setup is now diffrent, before it was seagate 320gb 7200rpm 16mb cache each.

now and today im running two ocz vertex ssd 64mb cache 120gb SSD.

im not sure how that will affect the test.

 

Never mind, its the same $hit.

i have added the coper mod, and my temps are the same after 8 min of testing.

its 80 deg C, the NB chip was not affected by the copper mod.

right now im going to try to put the bent peice i made and add VGA heat sinks to it for added heat disapation.

going to do that now, brb.

 

that will not effect the stuttering we had tried all that in the quad core stuttering test. and yes you can use cpustabtest.

3dmark06 is a benchmarking tool to see where your system lands with performance. you will see stuttering while running this benchmark and you can play music aswell to listen out for anything.


i want to buy a ssd

 

the cppoer mod will make the nb run alittle cooler but nothing signaficant. it is to stop stuttering. project freeze is to make your notebook cooler. but bencding the cppoer to help send the heat away seems like a good idea.

 

Ya, project frezz its to chatch a freez on your laptop (run it cooler)

however, when it comes to the stuttering audio and slugish laptop (for a quad core, it has nothing to do with keeping it cool, its just the laptop it self, it can no keep up with demand.

Good night, its late about 1.50 AM here. good night.

 

These laptops can handle just about ANYTHING you throw at them - they are 100% as capable as a desktop.

The stutter is due to various software issues, the hardware all works as it should be. Ill list what I have done that helped with my stutter:

- Remove and keep off the Synaptics Touchad Driver
- Uninstall the Realtek Audio Driver then install version R2.20 (realtek HD audio driver)
- Go in the advanced performance settings for windows and set the minimum cpu utilization to 30%
(Power Options > Performance Profile Advanced Settings > Processor Power Management > Minimum Utilization)

Or something like that. I also have windows set to high performance as well as powerplay set to high performance. All these things have so far given me a virtually no stutter experience.

Good luck on this.

 

we have to wait for her results first with the copper mod

 

Took me quite some time, but now i finally finished reading every post of this thread.
I have to say there are quite some good ideas, but I think there is more room for modification.
As I do not want to modify my laptop jet (just bought it like 3 months ago) I can't provide you with
any pictures of a real modification, but here are some ideas:

1) I think there is no real airflow through the case. Just heat being discipated via the fans.
Because taking of the backplane did not increase any of the temperature values...instead they droped
ranging from 5°C (GPU) to 10°C(CPU).The fans (are supposed to) suck the air through the holes in the
bottom and then straight out again. Therefore it would not harm to cut any holes in the bottom.
I would cut the holes kind of like scook9 did
( http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5080027&postcount=431)
but focus more exact on these positions:
-most likely the red ones
-maybe even the green ones
in both cases heatsinks added with a hight to be even with the outer side of the backplane!
(that includes all the area arround the main fans)

2) if there is a airflow, I don't really see how. But nervertheless is it possible to power up another small fan
maybe connected to the cpu cooler? it so I would cut the yellow hole and put in a fan that is as high as the outside.
I think this would be enough room for a small fan...maybe a chipset fan.
I kow, this ideas was posted before, and noone could find a fitting one, but as I understood it,
this new fan was supposed to be so small it could fit under the backplane...just from th height.

As my camera is broken I had to use a pic I found in this thread...hope that is ok

Oh...i've got 1 other question regarding the ram cooling:
where did you guys get these from...I read something about desktop ram coolers that were
cut to fit. If so which ones exactly?
As I'm from Germany I propably won't be able to get all the stuff but I'll try, when I have time.

What do you think?

 

Also ich glaube gesehen zu haben, dass manche einfach eine Kupferblatte ausgeschnitten haben und auf diese die kleinen Ram Rippen draufge"klebt" haben. Ich such mal bei Alternate mom^^

Gruß
Julian

Edit: OK saidly you will have to buy the fan as well, but may be you can use this one as your extra fan
http://www.alternate.de/html/produc...tn=HARDWARE&l1=Cooling&l2=Grafikkarten-Lüfter

 

hey welcome to project freeze. I am on my phone so I can't be of to much help right now. what I wil do is give you my album that I have. it's full of pictures from this unit and you can edit it anyway you like. I wll also post the album on the first page so everyone can do the same when I get on a computer. we wil also help you in anyway we can.

 

Hey guys I've looked through here quite a bit and can't find any information on the exact dimensions of the copper shim some have used to ensure the Northbridge is making contact with the heatsink. Mainly concerned with thickness, I'll cut other dimensions to size. Also, I'm assuming that everyone is using thermal paste on both sides of shim to ensure full contact? Thanks,

 

hey what's up i haven't seen you in a while. i was check gog but it seems spammed up so i stop checking on it. try .5 and higher but not over .6 and let me know.


i'm glad your back

 

I tried to put in a heatsink I found on an old mainboard. I put it right on top of the NB. But instead of lowering my tems, they increased....the NB about 2°C and the CPU about 5°.
I guess by applying the heatsink I kind of disabled the heatpipe. Did anyone experience anything alike?

 

I never got far enough to actually carry out my planned heatsink additions....sold my whitebook yesterday haha

But I understand what you are saying. The way that a heat pipe works you need a very polar layout, and adding those heatsinks in the middle I would guess blurs the line between heat source and where the heat is dissipated. Thus making the heatpipes less effective.

 

Yes, everything you add in between is going to lower the overall transfer, but if the Northbridge isn't making full contact with the heatsink, putting something between, while lowering the overall efficiency compared to a one piece solution, will still be better than not having full contact like we have right now. Yep, I'm back, only been a week though (I was able to check once while on deployment) so I haven't been able to try yet, and I also haven't gotten the thermal paste yet. Is that something that a local store might carry? I'm in Hawaii now.

By .5 are you saying mm or in? I'm assuming mm.

Good to be back,

 

mm.

i'm glad you are back.

but yes, use .5mm and you should be able to get thermal paste at radioshack if there is one in hawaii.

 

bumping up to the top

 

Hey Don, gonna start another one of these for the M17x? I think it could benefit if we can get the CPU cooler.

 

Yeah no problem. i have to wait until i get one though to see the "weak" parts of the system or "mistakes" or "areas" that can be better cooled. otherwise it will be point less.

 

Extra cooling is never pointless. You'll notice when you get it that the CPU fan is really just in the general area of the CPU and that the fan blows air more or less into the middle of the system. I think there can be improvements made to cooling off the cpu and getting higher frequency.

 

I didn't say extra cooling is pointless. i said i have to get one first before making a thread like this becasue i have to see how the system is myself to find any places that can be cooled better.

if i were to start one now, not having the system, it will be pointless because i wouldn't know anything that's going on.

 

I have to say, as it is, the m17x is very thermally well designed......

 

not saying it isn't

 

I got you Drake don't worry. just have to wait.

 

OCZ freeze helps alot just by itself on the M17x. my ptocessor is mormally around 37C. never been higher than 75C under heave load. I need to put some on the video cards

 

OCZ freeze made all my idles (gpu's and cpu cores) all under 40 when using a Cryo.....that is hard to complain about. Already puts cooling at better than my whitebook was with all its holes and stuff

 

Yeah, I just need the ambition to take this thing apart and put some freeze on the GPU's. I'll Probably do that once i get my New SSD and 4gb chip. I still need to look and see if ram sinks will help on this, not sure if they will though with that metal cover

 

Ram sinks never helped....they are just a shiny to add to your laptop haha

I took advantage of my whole thing being apart when I replaced the Q9000 with QX9300 to do the GPUs then too. After doing it once, I officially hate having to take apart the M17x lol

 

Take it off, I do. I haven't been able to determine if it's to keep heat away from the ram or to keep the heat caused by the ram away from everything else.

...or none of that's right and it has to do with airflow.

 

yeah i've seen the cover and I canlt judge if It was right either.

 

it is a long process to take this shing apart. soooo many screws, lol.

 

Once you do it a few times its a no brainer. Also Ram will fit in there with Ram sinks attached and the cover back on it . I cant really see the purpose for the ram cover but i always put it back on since it must be there for a reason other then looks.

 

well I was thinking that it was there for dust. but so was the whitebook and it prevented it from gerting cool. and when we made thw holes and took off the cloth it made a big difference. but idk. someone would have to test it out.

 

Since the bottom is rather exposed it could also be for spills etc.

 

that's true. I forgot about water. so with the heatsinks do you think the heat will build up. so I dn't see ram generating any heat to use ram sinks unless you are overclocked.

 

Hard to say if the heat builds up in there and if it would be worse with ram sinks on or not . To bad there is no way to measure ram temp through something like HWmonitor to see the effects of having that panel on or off .

 

again....the heatsinks do nothing but make another shiny in your notebook....you are just as well off blowing air over the bare ram chips as the ram sinks lol

 

The ram is actually not by the vented part of the bottom. The CPU fan is which is a giant hole into the system.

 

here's some places where you can get some pieces to get your notebook cooler.
ramsinks
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7191/vid-106/Enzotech_BCC9_Memory_Ramsinks_-_8_Pack_BMR-C1L.html

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/3...er_16-Pin_Video_Card_BGA_Memory_Ramsinks.html

now these are bigger then your notebook so you will have to measure and saw them down. it's not to har just time consuming.


i checked out bestbuy's website and there don't have anything. going to the store is your best bet. but again i wouldn't be surprised if there don't have it.

 

Right here we go, here's some pics of the internals with a 4850 M17.

If you have any recommendations on heatsink placement Don The heatsinks I have are attached by thermal adhesive, but are about 7mm x 22mm, with a blue incredibly thin coating. The scratched regions look silver, so I'd presume they're an alloy rather than copper. You can see them on the CPU heatsink in one of the pics, but I took them off as I didnt think they were helping there.

 

i would start simple right now. your heatsinks is alittle smallbut it can use for now.

just flip it around. and you have it.

let us know your results. i think you should get about 3-5 off. with that. also take of the cloth and prop it up.

your cpu i wouldn't put those on it i would put the ones i posted above on it.

 

Im kinda missing what you want me to do, bar take off the cloth

That heatsink is already upside down, it wouldn't fit the other way. Do you mean put a mini heatsink on top of where every thermal pad is?

 

Ah I see, so yeah one on top of the metal above each memory chip. Give me 30 mins

 

yeah lol. you didn't have any with the heatsink facing the other way. and fell it up and also try to avoid the crossfire cable. i know it won't affect it. but it's so big.

on the back panel, there's some black cloth. take it off. just the ones on the cpu and the gpu. that's all you need to do. i did a test and i got the same amount of dust with and with out it. so it doesn't make a difference if you are worried about that.

 

Haha, sorry have been delayed in doing it, wil go try this shortly; its 11pm here and Im trying to read the earlier section of this thread while it's quiet haha

Will remove the CPU/GPU cloth and lob a small heatsink over the GDDR chips.

 

Ok......
it's 5:22pm here so i'll be here.

 

Right all done up

Here's a new couple of shots (I added one more heatsink on the left cooler after this was taken, as thats the one that gets hottest), plus a pics showing the maximum temps produced over the CPU, GPUs and NB afterwards by a linpack and DMC DX10 8xAA maxxed out settings run (pretty much as hot as it will get!)
I reapplied some OCZ Freeze on the GPUs while I had her open, just incase, and removed the fabric from the grills in front of the GPU and (sort of) infront of the CPU cooler.
Also took a couple of shots so you could see just how much paste I use