Alienware M11x Debut Discussion

I think this is getting a little out of hand, lets just wait till the official specs are out.

 

While I can see your argument, firstly, the ULV i7 does NOT turbo up to 2.8GHz. If I remember rightly, it's something close to 2GHz. And that is only when one core is loaded; if both are loaded it will turbo very little, if at all.

Secondly, the architecture is 20% faster at the same clock speed, that they have shown.

Thirdly, if the M11x supports overclocking, then the SU7300 should be able to run at 1.73GHz. When running two-threaded apps, this'll actually be faster than a 1.2GHz i7. Even if the i7 will turbo both cores, the turbo will be very little, and it'll only just meet the SU7300 in performance then. Of course, that's considering if you can overclock the SU7300.

Even if the SU7300 can't be overclocked, then the i7 is still NOT a massive leap over it. It'll be 30% faster MAXIMUM, and usually just 10-20% faster, and in most games which see not a massive difference from a faster CPU even when bottlenecked by it, that'll be about 2-3fps in games, which is virtually nothing.

Fourthly, hyperthreading is not a massive bonus. That's enough said, really.

This quote pretty much sums up my argument:

 

Least you have a chance with your fsb

 

Will you be able to use any cell phone carrier's sim card to connect it wirelessly?

 

On a really unrelated note: iPad but not MBP update. Cries in corner.

EDIT: Co-incidence that we're not getting an iX processor? Maybe steve's behind it... http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/apple-creation-0092-rm-eng.jpg

 

Thats the idea of a SIM card slot and a 3g modem, but it might be optional ergo Dell's Studio lines which have a slot but the modem was optional. You must have a data plan though.

 

Does anyone have a button that will let us fast forward a week ahead? >: Feb 3 (according to that Aussie site anyway) cannot come sooner arrghhh. XD

New question out!

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The aussie site is announcing the release of the m11x in retail. The good guys are a retail chain in aussie that prefer cash payments over credit cards and make that well known. So shouldn't like dell themselves start selling the thing before retail in a country known to get tech stuff last does?

EDIT: Um. Look on the bright side, at least the price isn't starting at $999.99. right?

 

I agree with everything said here.

You must consider that the problem is not just the use of a C2D versus a Core iX. That's the least of the problems... the big problem is that they are using a fxxxing 1.3ghz CPU... man that sucks so hard... if they just used a 2ghz more CPU, everything would be fine... and it cost so little money today that it's unbelieveble if they don't give it as an option in the customization site...

 

It's called Ultra Low Voltage. It's how they get the battery life so long and the heat under control. They don't make ULV processors at clock speeds above 2GHZ AFAIK (except the turbo-mode in the i7).

If you don't like it, there are plenty of "fast" laptops that run hot and have crap battery life.

 

well, the cpu clock down exists for years now... they could put a 2ghz CPU and it will lower to 600mhz when idle... C2D do that... even this notebook where i'm typing a Pentium-M dothan do that... otherwise they obviously should have used a core i5/i7 with it's turbo mode... first of all it's a gamming notebook in a gamming brand...

in the last case... just give the option to the user choose... to me 3 hours of battery is enough... but I would like plenty CPU power for my games... why don't give me an option for a 2ghz+ CPU???

 

Probably a headache the engineers got from crossing the people over at marketing who already prepared their material based on the C2D ULV battery savings stopped the iX processor intergration. Maybe a refresh down the line ay? Note: The i5-500 & i5-400 series are dual core processors (I heard that from another forum but I might be wrong). Not quaddies.

 

dual core is enough. but with 2ghz+...

 

It's because Alienware is like MAC, has to have biggest profit margin possible. They release first with C2D to get rid of all thier old stock then they refresh later with the proper processor i5 or i7 turbo at much higher price. I have never seen any really good deal from them before this was first one but it's starting to not seem like such a good deal anymore LOL I will not be surprised if when it releases the 799.00 one does not even have a 335 in it but something less like 260-280. I hope I am wrong...but I also was hoping I was wrong about it not coming with i series

 

I hope you're right on the GFX card, a 260 or 280 would kick ! LOLOL

 

Seems more like a upgrade than a downgrade lol :laugh: Anyone with any more news?

 

LOL Sorry i'm delirious right now need to go to bed Good Night!

 

Lol i'm just gonna go play TF2 for a while, then come back to see if anyone else posts any new news. Hope the order page opens up soon...

 

Hey the M11x is up on the order page.

*edit* sold out. Hope TF2 was worth it.





hahah jk, sorry man, but I've been hording the M11x threads for awhile now and I wanted to mess with yah

 

Whoppie dee doo! Lol its fine. Dell Malaysia gets its stocks locally. We have our own Dell manufacturing plant in the country so we rarely run short of stock online. I think. ahhaahahha :laugh: Actually, I was waiting for TF2 to update... Lol

 

... I read that, and before the end I actually went to alienware and scoured the order pages...

 

Thus is the amount of nervous anxiety on the thread. lol

 

I really don't think the i5 is going to make that much more of a difference over the su processors. This is considering I am still running a p4 3.4ghz HT. Aside from that I would love to get a better gfx card (currently using a geforce 5700go). So, I want to pre-order/order one as soon and as fast as I can especially for the price.

 

I have... nothing lol. Just sold off my HP Mini 2140 which is a no-gaming rig. ahahahhaah :laugh:

 

It won't make a huge difference

 

fscussel, read the first quote.

It'd burn up and DIE with a 2ghz+ proc. Is that what you want?

 

just give technology time guys

 

Took the words out of my mouth.

My last laptop RELIED on downclocking to stay cool, as suggested. You know the result? Worked fine when not doing anything, then got really hot and was forced to downclock to avoid overheating. My 2GHz processor therefore ran at 800MHz when you were doing something that actually required CPU power.

I'll take a 1.3GHz CPU that actually runs at 1.3GHz over a 2GHz one that runs at 800MHz, thanks.

 

Next week cannot come sooner. Especially since the MBP just got shafted by the square iTile

 

That thing looks like it was meant to be hung from a wall... as a picture frame.

 

:laugh: I cannot even begin to imagine the amount of bad jokes this would spring out...

 

obviously we all got too excited about the M11x release and put our hope in the expectations, but hey, thats what a discussion is for...

i do understand people being disappointed on dell, i´m still not happy, especially, they call themselve high end/performance vendor..
some guys expected the M11x to be their main machine and of course, they want to have the latest and the best

on the other hand, DELL never mentioned something about the i series and the C2D performs nice and the baby will still be a powerhouse

it all depends on personal needs
do i really need it ? NO
do i want it ? YES,YES,YES
does it fulfill my expectations ? NOT really
does it fulfill my needs ?? MORE THAN THAT

so what, get the baby, fully loaded, and i´m quite sure everybody will be happy

 

fluus, you dah man.

 

I still think they may have chose to leave out the i5/i7s due to heat.

I know the C2D chipset uses more power than the i5/i7s, however the processor itself, 10W in the C2D but 18W in the ULV i5/i7s, in terms of TDP. That's a lot more heat (relative) concentrated in the processor.

So while the C2D might be fine in it, the i5/i7s may have been overheating.

And if they did run hotter that'd likely mean that turboboost couldn't function properly. If turboboost wouldn't have functioned in them, then they'd have very little performance benefit over the C2D ULV.

 

I liek dragon's explaination. Then some would argue that there's the intel intergrated graphics to consider...

 

come on, if those dum*asses can't make a cooling system that supports 2 ghz processor then they should start producing hair dryers and not notebooks...

 

There's not really a lot you can do with an 11 inch chassis... It's a laptop not a desktop. You can't exactly make heatsinks go "faster"

 

it can handle a 335GT wich produces 4x more heat and can't handle a decent CPU?? come on... that is certainly not the reason...

 

Well, you can't have the best of both worlds. Either powahful but hot CPU or powahful but hot GPU. Since more games are GPU oriented, probably they chose that one to keep costs down.

 

Firstly, it's an 11 inch chassis. This seriously restricts the space for the heatsink and fan.

Secondly, if they put a faster processor in then they'd probably have to have weaker graphics to balance the heat. I'd rather have a far more powerful graphics card and a weak processor than the other way round.

Even if they had the next graphics card down-330M-that's much weaker.

Thirdly, by the way, getting around the profanity filter is against the forum rules.

I'm only speculating the heat. How do YOU know for a fact that the 335M produces as much heat as a processor?

If Alienware have only got a 1.3GHz processor in there then it's for a good reason. There is no laptop in the world 12 inches and under that has anything any better than that. If they can't get a better processor in then they have a good reason for that.


To put this into comparison. The ULV Core 2 Duo 1.3GHz has a 10W TDP. The power-saving P series processors, going above 2GHz, have a 25W TDP.

I'm sorry, kid, but your argument is invalid.

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On a different note:

After seeing the iPad, I have to say that I'm pretty much sold on it. Looks like I'm dropping out of getting an M11x for now.

 

gt240M has a tdp of 23w
gts250m has a tdp of 28w

so GT335M is between the 2.

if it had a 25w cpu + 25w gpu = 50w to dissipate... it's not that much.

sony vaio Z will have a core i5/i7 + GT330 (wich will be at least 20w) in a equal sized but much lighter (3lbs) chassis. And it will handle the heat. So why Dell can't?

 

agree, heat might be the cause, that thing has only one fan for CPU/GPU and if it runs too hot and turbo isnt working properly, that thing might start to throttle, than we need joker and unclewebb to fix it

on the other hand, i never had a toaster for 1 grand

 

TDP:
SU7300+GS45=10w+12w(8w in lower mode)=22w(18w)
i7-640UM+HM55=18w+3.5w=21.5w
so what's the point?

 

Sony's chassis aim at looking really nice and expensive. They aren't exactly known for vaios that run so cool it won't melt an ice block.

 

Sony vaio Z had problems with temps also, not sure how the new model is going to fix that but I don't want to find out and shell out $2000-$3000 on a laptop that might have the same problems.

 

Firstly, that's 50W to dissipate compared to 35W. That could be all the difference between running nicely and overheating. (I know that the chipset creates heat as well compared to i5/i7 processors but the chipset doesn't create near as much heat as the processor)

Secondly, Sony Vaio's aren't exactly well known for running cool.

Thirdly, the GT330M is actually quite inferior to the GT335M. The 330M only has 48 shaders compared to the 335M's 72 shaders. That's a massive difference.

Fourthly, the Vaio Z will have a ULV Core i7/i7. That means ranging from 1.06GHz to 1.2GHz. Even with turboboost on the highest ULV i7 it only just reaches 2GHz and that's using ONE core.

If we can overclock this ULV C2D, we'll be on 1.73GHz, which will actually be better than the ULV i5/i7 processors for two-threaded apps (i.e. most games).

 

lol. We need an engy in here STAT

 

Actually the Z will have your standard i5 and i7 cpu, not the ulv model, just like the last model which could be had in a c2d model T or P cpu in up to 3.0ghz form.

 

LOL if you think the thermal difference between a TDP of 10w and 18w is that much.

Only reason TDP increased is because of the on die graphics which btw run as such a low frequency they would not even need a heatsink to dissapate the heat from them.

Furthermore the Core i5,i7 ulv are exactly that ULVs which means they are designed for a small form factor!!!! Again I point you to the 1' thin Asus UL30JT which will debut with a Core i7-620and640 ulv processor.

 

yeah, you do that overclocking by your hands without proper engeneering and you will see what heat is...

as said, the core i5/i7 + chipset would produce the same heat as the C2D 3 years old boy...