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    How to pinmod and further overclock the M11x R1 (SLG= Hardmod only)

    Discussion in 'Alienware M11x' started by DavyGT, Jan 12, 2011.

  1. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    yeah i bought the same g skill memory, just 2gb instead of 4. i dont get payed til next week so the 2gb stick will have to last me til i can buy another 2gb stick. and thats true, if the ram is advertised as ddr3 1066 ram then it should run at its default speed. but that makes me wonder why my stock ram wont, and my other stick of OEM samsung ram wont?
     
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    possibly because the Cas6 setting is to low?

    have you tried runing just one stick at a time forcing single chanel mode?
     
  3. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    good question, i did test 1gb of the stock hynex ram and i didnt get any errors with memtest, but i never booted windows with just that 1gb stick, should i try that?
     
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    yea, try that out an see where that gets you.

    see the issue is even tho your @ 1066mhz(the RAMs stock speed) your also @Cas6 (M11x forces this) which for some RAM is lower that what its made for.

    like say your RAM is 1066mhz 7-7-7-18. in the M11x its going to run @ 1066mhz 6-6-6-15 which is basicly OCing it past its spec.

    EDIT:

    thats why most of us doing this mod are running in OC mode in the bios. doing so changes the ratio from 1:2 to 2:3 which is less stressful on the RAM. but the tricky part is that going back and forth between OC and non-OC modes mean different things depending on what pins you have "on" or "off". if you cant figure out the data sheet logic i can help you with what pins do what in what mode.
     
  5. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    oohhh ok now i understand, i forgot the m11x forced it down to cas6. il report back after i test it a bit, thanks man.

    EDIT: tried the single stick, seems a little more stable but 3dmark still wont rn and it still seems a little funky.
     
  6. some guy

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    dam :(

    is your gfx oced?

    just trying to rule out stuff...
     
  7. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    yeah i oc it to whats in my signature, and thats completely stable. i left furmark on for over an hour testing those clocks.
     
  8. some guy

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    well not that im aure this will help but try stock clocks on the gfx and see how it acts.

    only reason i say that it when i was stability testing i would get gfx errors and gfx driver failures when my RAM couldnt keep up but on intel gfx i was totally stable.

    if you seem more stable with Nvidia gfx disabled then i would say its defenitally a RAM issue like i was having.
     
  9. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    well, i tried with nvidia graphics disabled and got gamebooster to run this time. but the other stuff was about the same. different errors this time. its weird couse with nvidia graphics on half the time i can get to olmost the end of 3dmark running but then it crashes
     
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    In my M17x I experienced the nvidia driver being REAL picky about CPU/RAM overclocks. It was much less tolerant compared to the ATI drivers. I could overclock once booted but booting windows it would bsod all the time on me if overclocked too high.
     
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    same thing on my desktop with evga 780i SLI...
     
  12. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    hmm, so that makes me think this is a 100% ram problem. cant be the cpu, in 3dmark06 the cpu gets through the tests just fine. could be my gpu overclocks too, but i get errors even before i overclock
     
  13. vorob

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    some guy

    Man i wasn't trying to accuse you in anything, sorry if it sounded like that. I'm just thinking on possibility of overclocking my SLG machine and wonder how to make everything revertible :)

    If i solder 10k resistor what problems can i encounter? Insufficient voltage, which = another soldering? Weak ram modules, which = purchase of new modules?
     
  14. some guy

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    well you can wait for the RAM to come in the mail.

    fyi if you want to try the 333mhz mod with OCmode on you wont have to reconnect pin2. all you have to do is use a 10k resistor like the pic in my sig and your there.
     
  15. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    yeah should be here within the next few days, and thats really good news. if i were to need the extra cpu power in the future i would definitly do the 333mhz mod. only thing with that tho is iv never soldered in my life lol. im only 17, so im still learning some, but at a really fast rate =p
     
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    oh no i didnt take it that way man.

    yea thats basiclly it. the vcore mod is simple, it just requires taking off the heatsink and cutting pin4 on this one chip. i have a pic of it just not with me. it will take you to 1.1v in OC mode.
     
  17. DR650SE

    DR650SE The Whiskey Barracuda

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    Im thinking I might just lift the pin. I've been looking at this and simply don't have enough hands. I don't think it would be to difficult if god granted me three hands :eek: lol
     
  18. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    well, what i did is totaly took out pin 2 on my SLG. used a needle and a magnifying glass. also a led flashlight. 2 hands works just fine =p
     
  19. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    uuhhh... i went ahead and further tested to see if the cpu was ok at 1.73, so i went and ram intelburntest and it failed at 180 seconds, does this have anything to do with ram?? or is that just testing the cpu? oh and the nvidia gpu was off
     
  20. DR650SE

    DR650SE The Whiskey Barracuda

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    So I tried to lift the pin, some how didnt work, but now I have some dead keys on the keyboard :confused: Esc, Up arrow, "G,H" don't work. Looks like it's time for me to make some phone calls.
     
  21. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    same happend to mine, got my keyboard replaced. and then after a week or 2 i went and tried again. this time it worked. but i need ram that can run at cas 6 and 1066mhz stable... :(
     
  22. DR650SE

    DR650SE The Whiskey Barracuda

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    Hmm, I thought I pretty much had Pin 14 scrapped of completely. Wonder how I missed it :confused:
     
  23. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    im not sure, wait.. you have the ICS?

    EDIT: interesting trying to post here when you see a tornado out of your window.
     
  24. DR650SE

    DR650SE The Whiskey Barracuda

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    :p Yea, I think the dead keys may have more to do with the mobo than the actual keyboard. They worked fine prior and are pluged in just fine. Now when I go and get a new mobo, it'll most likely have and SLG :(
     
  25. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    hold on man, just try for a new keyboard for now. i had those SAME EXACT keys go bad. seems i wasnt careful enough with the keyboard or something. but after i got a new 1 it worked fine
     
  26. DavyGT

    DavyGT Overclocker

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    You guys didn't use the long screws to secure the holes inside the battery bay did you? That would damage the keyboard at exactly G and H as the holes lie up straight under the middle 2 holes.

    Try using Prime95 Small FFT and see if it's stable. If it is stable, it probably is the RAM as Small FFT doesn't stress much RAM or any at all according to P95. I found most RAM kits have trouble in the 1050-1100mhz range with CL6 from in my time pinmodding (I do my friends ICS and SLGs too) and one R2 SetPLL.

    About the OP, I know it's outdated but I won't update until someone tries the SLG TME mod as nobody can confirm it works and moral hazard hasn't done it (on a SLG) either.
     
  27. ajslay

    ajslay Overclocker, PC Builder

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    @DavtGT

    yeah thats what i did on accident the first time lol.

    ah and i ran prime 95 on 1.73 and did FFT, it passed. which means it IS a ram issue, not cpu. sooo do you think the g.skill ram i got from newegg will be stable? it should be here in a few days.
     
  28. some guy

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    question was awnsered.

    deleted my post.
     
  29. DavyGT

    DavyGT Overclocker

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    How long did it last with Small FFT?

    RAM is pretty much luck of the draw. Out of all the Samsung and Hynix sticks in R1s and an R2 (3 kits of Samsung and 2 of Hynix), they all overclocked differently from 1035mhz to 1070mhz.

    Not sure if talking about replacing user damaged keyboards is allowed. Hmm.
     
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    i ran it for 20 minutes, everything passed. and alright thanks.
     
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    I suspect my SLG TME solder job only cause B9b6 did not change. When I did it, I really thought I had the pin nailed. Using 32 AWG wire is too big though.

    But if moral hazard thinks the only damage that may result from trying the SetPLL to change register 14 is to the windows install, I could try throw the original HDD back in and try it out. I don't understand how windows was affected at all, but if I'm not screwing it up on my Momentus XT then no biggie, right? Kinda thought it would just crash if it doesn't work. Buy my fear is screwing the PLL somehow by trying it. If the collective thinks there is little harm in trying, I'd be willing. May need a bit of guidance but I'll read back a few pages and see if I can put the pieces together.
     
  32. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I was about to try changing register 14 in grub2, but at that time my netbook died, had to return it, new one needs the TME mod done again, I wont do it this time because my gaming notebook is working now so the netbook can be as slow as it's wants to be lol.

    You may want to try it:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/lin...-softfsb-ocing-4-linux-dev-3.html#post5569693

    That is, only if your notebook is not happy after you change register 14 in windows.
     
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    Come to think of it I think I did and when I realized I had mixed the screws up I switched. Makes me feel better that a keyboard replacement will fix it. Still I might go back in and finish off the pin. for some reason I thought I had it completely removed and apparantly I didn't. The system does need to be in OC mode correct? My register in SetFSB (00/09) still shows E5 so I'm guessing it's still enabled.
     
  34. some guy

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    in OCmode the RAM ratio is 2:3 (vs 1:2 in nonOC mode) so you can probabliy get a higher OC in OCmode.

    if my wording make any sence lol
     
  35. jai554

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    Hi.... i think i want to do the mod once again.....
    can anybody help me to downclock my RAM??
    this is my SPD: Samsung DDR2 667MHz 5-5-5-15.spd

    i have a question....
    do i need to lower my timings when i downclock my RAM??
     
  36. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    You want to keep the timings as high as possible, that will keep your ram stable when overclocking.

    But I don't mean you should raise the timings to a value where the notebook wont POST.
     
  37. jai554

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    okay.... now i know..... thanks! :)
    when i try to overclock my cpu to 2.73GHz, ive downclocked my RAM and tighten the timings.....
    is that why my laptop wont POST??
     
  38. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Did you do the FSlx pinmod or the TME pinmod?
     
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    FSLx pinmod.....
    ive successfully cutted pin 2 to make my cpu to run at 266x10.5=2.79GHz
    but the laptop wont POST.....
    i had to make BSEL mod in order to make my CPU boot at 266x6=1.6GHz
     
  40. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Well then I think if you bring your timings back to stock (or a bit higher), the notebook might POST>
     
  41. jai554

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    okay.... i will try on this weekend.....
    i will inform you again if it works.....
    can you help me to change the timings and the frequency of the spd ive given??
     
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    what timing would you recommend me to use at stock RAM speed??
     
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    the lowest possible ratio is best. normally is 1:2 and normally will give you the most stability at the highest overclocks. so if you running 266mhz (1066mhz FSB) your RAM would be running @ 533mhz.

    but i dont know your bios so i cant really help unless i know what its capable of.

    i would use what ever timings are the spec for your RAM. you can find this out by using CPU-Z. it can tell you the timings for each given speed (mhz).

    this is why you should have made your own thread. its going to add confusion to M11x R1 owners.
     
  44. jai554

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    uh.... okay i will make a new thread for me to ask about how to overclock my laptop.....
     
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    hey DavyGT and some guy, i got my new ram... sad to say it wont boot at 1.73ghz... can i mod the memory timings? =(
     
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    so you can boot but your not stable with your old RAM?

    but with your new RAM you cant even boot?

    i heard there is software that you can use to change timings but i dont think you can adjust the Cas6 which imo is more than likely the problem if this is a RAM issue. i havent done this myself tho, so i wouldnt ba any help with that.

    i think you might want to try the TME mod or the 333mhz FLSx mod in OCmode. i think the RAM cant handel 1066mhz @ Cas6.... :( the 333mhz mod will run your RAM @ 1000mhz and might get you the stability you need.
     
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    Man, I have an old set of the Hyper X 1333 non XMP stuff from before it started sucking, it runs at 1280 MHz Cas 6 just fine on my UL80Vt, I will be sure to use it in the M11x if I do this mod haha
     
  50. ajslay

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    good idea scook9
     
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