M11x - WoW Performance, Issues, General Discussion

anyone having any break-throughs on this problem? Just wondering

 

just a suggestion for you to try.

1. OC your CPU but disable turbo boost and speed step
2. Disable your powermizer on your GPU to prevent it from throttling due to heat and etcs. however you do not need to OC your GPU, doing this step only to ensure GPU stays in one clock. You may OC if you wish too.

with all the above done there should not be any throttling of speed from both CPU and GPU. Then try your wow and see if similar problem exist. suspect there might be a problem with your GPU as I remember years back I had a friend who experience something similar on his laptop when playing wow. everything works fine until he start wow and once awhile there is like a slow motion effect aka fps drop and increase. and after some long troubleshooting to found out that his GPU is at fault.

 

i've never tried outputting to a 1080p source, but the slow effect and my FPS problems were solved w/ the repair feature in wow. still doesnt get the best fps in the world out in wotlk areas, but much better than the unplayable fps i was getting before

 

Could some with an R2 please try this?

Fly from Dalaran to the other end of Northrend with timetest on. To do this type "/timetest" before you talk to the flight master, this will say something like "Time test ON". It will then measure your FPS for this flight.

My problem is that WoW hangs on me if I do this, but is fine if I do the flights without timetest.

I am getting hangs in games (WoW & DDO) with the 285.96 drivers, so went back to M11x 275.45 ones, but still get this timetest hang. If it's just me then there is a problem specific to my (1day old) M11x, if not it's some driver thing probably.

TIA

 

my first time boot m11xr2 show 3 hours something...

how ur guys cant get 5hours?

anyway I dont know how to use optimus...

still blur...

 

this topic is not for discussion on how many hours you get and how to use optimus.

for both of your questions its been answered many times on the forum. please use the search function. or at least go thru the recent threads and you are suppose to get all your answers.

 

I have no clue what happend but my fps is amazing in WoW now

 

maybe "burn in" already. lol j/k

its been fine for me all along thou.

 

Ok so I am now WoW active with my M11xR2, which all the default Bios settings and the 285.96 drivers, Powermizer is still active.

As I am aiming for 25man raids I have dropped most things to minimum, but at this stage I am just getting the feel of things.

Here is the thing I have noticed. I am getting a 20fps improvement when I drop Texture Resolution to "LOW". What's more it does not seem to stick and needs retoggling.. I was in Wintergrasp PvPing in the thick of the combat and getting 14-19fps.. I moved the Texture Resolution to "High" then "Low" and suddenly I'm at 40-50fps.

This is just an early observation and I will be keeping an eye on it but something others might check too?

 

try adding these few strings into your C:\Users\Public\Games\World of Warcraft\WT*\config.wt* file and see if it helps.


SET gxApi "d3d9ex"
SET M2Faster "3"
SET gxTextureCacheSize "512"
SET SkyCloudLOD "1"

 

Thanks, not tried them yet still trying to work out what they do

I did a 25man encounter to night, Algalon the Observer in Ulduar. I was getting 14fps at the lowest, which was ok as my main machine drops just under 20 in big flashy fights.

So this gave me some confidence to try it in ICC.

This was on stock bios settings with powermizer still enabled.

 

[EDIT] mistaken post - deleted

 

They are not going to blow up your wow just some tweaks that you cant find on the default video option

 

I did some test and i also have this problem.
I use the preset "good quality" (the texture quality is on "high" with this setting preset)
I connect the exact same place and facing the camera always in the same way and I get 50+ fps. (in a wotlk area)
I take my flying mount and I go to another place I know a little more harder for the machine.
I do some farming and I go back to where I was at the beginning and reorients the camera in exactly the same way and I get 25-30 fps.
Now I change the texture setting to "low" and my fps is back to 50+.
Note that I can then return the setting to "high" without loss of performance.

Of course this does not solve the problem. If I go back to my farm spot and come back again to the place where I measure my fps, it is back again in the 25-30 fps.

My specs:

M11x R2, 4Gb Ram, I7 640um, nvidia 258.96 whql driver, fresh wow install.

 

I've experienced this aswell. I was fooling around with the settings in an area that was taxing my system. I took everything down to low, my FPS spiked up. So then I start inching the sliders back up and nothing changed in FPS. Then I realize I am at high and all of a sudden I am getting the same FPS. I am thinking that the nvidia GPU and the intel GPU are switching back and forth while playing

 

I personally do not think that this is the problem.
I remade the test by monitoring the activity of the gpu and the different frequencies with eVGA precision tool and there is nothing special, everything works perfect.
Is this a bug between the nvidia driver and management of texture in wow ?
I do not know, but I'll test with another version of the driver to see if the problem is identical.

 

do you have vsync on or off in WoW?

Because having it on seems to help low FPS on my system which I find weird

 

Well following a few more random game freezes, I am currently running WoW on the integrated grafix card (as requested by Dell) to see if the freezing problem is the Nvidia.

Getting upto 50fps in some places

 

50 FPS on the integrated card? Jeez! I get like 10 FPS on that lol

 

Yes, with vsync on. (But I also tested with vsync off, nothing special to say the bug is also present)

So !

I completely reinstalled my M11x R2 to factory default with the recovery partition and only installed World of Warcraft.
My M11x in factory default then use the old nvidia driver 189.69
Performance is very good, and I must say as great as with the 258.96 driver.
Unfortunately the same bug is present.
I remade the same test as previously, the loss of performance is the same and can still be recovered with the trick of changing the textures quality.

 

That's on "Fair"? setting, the first one up from the bottom one.

It's about 2fps in Dalaran on full I was trying to get it to crash

Interestingly the highest I got the CPU(s) was 66C (GPU is integrated into CPU)

 

i could not replicate this problem that you all have about changing texture. not sure if its becuz i had set the texture cache

 

Unfortunately, with or without changes in the config file that you posted above it does not solve the problem.

 

I wonder if it is a CPU throttling issue. Has anyone tried to log clock rates or anything to determine if it corresponds to throttling?

This may help:
i7 Turbo - Tool to test for Turbo throttling - XtremeSystems Forums

 

i dont think its related to cpu throttling. they are talking about texture. sort of like a memory leak thing. turning down the texture then turn it back up again to keep the high fps. sorta like flushing out texture cache. but sadly i could not recreate the issue on mine

 

I do notice in time as I am playing the FPS will slowly decrease, and then if I hit the windows key to minimize the game and then maximize it again it seems to restore the original performance.

 

I have tested CPU throttling extensively and i can tell you it inst that. The CPU AND the GPU both throttle but I ran powermizer for the GPU which stopped that and for the CPU I turned off speed step and OCed it manually.

I ran CPUZ to make sure nothing was getting throttled after it and it worked. So I can say from experience that nothing is throttling on my machine and I am still having these weird performance issues.

 

I get the same thing. If its really getting bogged down all I do is minimize and go back in but still even after that eventually the FPS drop again in a matter of seconds.

 

Hey guys, im in the Cataclysm beta right now, testing the crap out of the game.


I can tell you that the requirements have taken quite a step notch. From my prediction, if you want to run it maxed right now in beta, your looking at a 20-30 FPS drop.


The biggest sinner is that they have increased the draw distance greatly. The new water is bugged on Nvidia cards right so its hard to say what impact that will have, but its defintely also a performance killer, like shadows is right now on high.


A last thing is the sunshaft effect, which add some pretty sunlight, but right now its the draw distance, that really hits you hard. You really feel it extra hard in Outland and Northrend, because there are so many more details there(trees, characters, animals, things...) that are now being rendered at the screen at the same time because they increased the draw distance a good deal.



Also, for the hell of it, I'm really enjoying the beta. Incredible quests so far in Westfall and Redridge mountains with my Paladin, which has been completely revamped almost, now feeling more like a mix between a Arms warrior and a Rogue, accumilating "holy power" in a simpler rogue combo stacking sort of way. Great fun.

 

Thanks for the information! I was going to ask if anyone was in the beta and how the FPS where. I hate to say it but ill be back to playing WoW on my desktop in a few days. I thought I would get away playing it decently on the m11x r2 but I guess not.

Is it possible to post some screenies

 

Soon there will be the... my $3k rig won't run WoW on max! QQs

Turn stuff off/down and I bet it will still play on the M11x... aside from the fact that WoW is basically designed for single core CPUs (sooo last decade).

 

Anyone have any solutions for this yet? WoW runs seriously awful on my R2. 10 FPS in dalaran on lowest settings is just sad. Running newest Nvidia drivers.

 

welcome to the club

As far as I know there isn't any solution to the problem

 

I have been having similar problems but have managed to get my FPS up to 20-25 in Dalaran with some graphics tweaking. I notcied a big difference when I turned off the "reduce input lag" option and jumped form 10fps to 25-30 instantly in the same area.

However, I fired up the game earlier today and suddenly I can not get the 335GT to kick in with WoW. Works with other games, just not WoW.

I have done the standard rebooting of the machine, reinstalling drivers, reinstall WoW and then went as far as a full format and reinstall of the system.

After the restore it worked fine once and then nothing. Using the latest 258 drivers from the forums here.

Thoughts?

 

u sure u are not running with intel

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...e-wow-performance-m11x-r2-24.html#post6467455

http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...e-wow-performance-m11x-r2-19.html#post6451417

 

Hello,

I have a M11x R1, and i was experiencing similar to what you guys are going through. It was playable in 5/10 mans but in 25 man it would drop to 5-8 fps(unplayable) and that is with everything set on low and turned off.

Recently installed the most current drivers from dell for the nvidia, and in BIOS and set GPU to run as Discrete only.

Now i can play with my details up and spell details at half and it runs very well, 60 fps in 10 mans and around 20-30 in 25 man.

I am not super computer savy, but those are the only 2 things i did and now it runs awsome. Only thing i could think of was, the graphics were changing around by themselfs, and now that i disabled the intel graphics through BIOS and set to Discrete only it runs really good.

Also to add, i play on a external monitor the Hanns G 28.5 at max resolution.
My R1 specs are Factory(bios) OC'd core 2 duo, 4gb ram, 250g hd.

Hope this helps you guys somehow.

 

Oh and also the way i installed the drivers was, uninstal from add/remove programs, then rebooted into safe mode and used driversweep to clean out any Nvidia drivers in there, then freshly installed the newest driver from dell.

 

Spoiler

The SS of me on my R2 in IF. I posted it earlier but I don't know if many saw it. My FPS seems up to par on what I expected from the R2

1366x768 res

I haven't tested Dalaran yet but I will when I get home.

 

So i was reading up about the i7's that you guys have in your R2's. Apparently turning off the Turbo Mode and Simultaneous Multithreading will greatly increase your FPS by about 25% World Of Warcraft does not like Multiple cores & threads.

Try it out see if you notice a difference.

 

Here is the FPS chart compairing diff i7 processors with and without the Turbo Mode and SMT active. (I know the i7640um isnt on the test, but you get the idea)

 

thanks for the info, though I don't see the comparison chart. What happens if you have the i5 like me and some others that are experiencing the low FPS in WoW

 

Here is the problem that I'm having. When CPU heats up, my FPS goes literally down the drain. I am using Open Hardware Monitor to monitor the CPU and GPU temperatures, when the CPU temperatures exceed 60C my FPS in Dalaran goes down to 5-6FPS from 25-30FPS when I first open the game.

Here is another example. I start every 5man instance 35-40 FPS and finish it 5-10FPS. I never had this problem on any of my desktops or laptops for that matter.

I am on the brink of sending this laptop back. Has failed me on almost every game I play, and yes I have the latest drivers, my PCMark and 3DMark scores are as expected, I make sure Nvidia GPU turns on for all the games, the whole nine yards.

 

That is very interesting... so you are saying that the slow downs over time many people see in starcraft II as well could be cpu / bios / heat related on the i7 ? Im pretty sure the actual cpu isn't running too hot, but if the laptop handles it wrong, too low thresholds or what ever it would be then i guess throttling is an option.

 

Yes, 60C is not hot for a CPU, at least to the best that I know. So maybe wrong threshold values? I don't know.

 

exactly! that's what I'm thinking.

But that would require an effort from DELL to fix that if that is the case. anyway to monitor it and get some graphical results?

 

I came across this thread because I wanted to see if an R2 machine was better than the Core 2 powered R1 I use now but apparently it isn't - the worst scenario I came across is VoA 25 when the orbs are out as someone else mentioned - no problems in arena or BGs which is mostly what I do.

However, and I know it's not strictly on-topic, the slowing down that occurs every 5-10 seconds people we talking about around page 23-26, I get this issue on my Dell E6400 XFR with an nVidia Quadro NVS 160M - I see it worst on the intro screens, the snowfall really lags for a split second then picks up again shortly after and then in-game I don't really get an issue (it does slow slightly but is a lot less pronounced). I only mention it cos it's driving me up the wall and it sounds like an nVidia issue, the common factor between an E6400 XFR and M11x-R2 being an nVidia GPU (and manufacturing by Dell). I tried new drivers, BIOS updates and even tried configuring the drivers to use the graphics card like the GeForce 9300M GS it is based on but to no change.

 

This is very weird. I remember having the exact same problem on my old desktop running with a GeForce 9800 GTX. At first i thought it was an overheating problem as well but then i downloaded the latest nvidia driver and the problem was solved.

But since you say you already did that... Did you check the actual clock on the cpu when it "overheats" to see if it actually downclocks? If not, i would think it's rather the gpu and not the cpu... maybe some sort of gpu memory leak and that would definitely be a driver problem.

 

The gpu does not get hot at all, mine stays at a max 81 degrees when OC'ed!

I suspect the little i7 to do stuff or rather NOT do stuff its meant to do.

 

Yes it's definitely possible that the CPU performs poorly but an underperforming CPU wouldn't get worse over time (unless it downclocks, which is what I asked if it did). It sounds very much like a gfx memory leak to me, not GPU overheating.

 

But it would be strange if EVERY single blizzard game have the same memory leak with a selected nvidia (and even some ATI) cards?