M11x R2 vs R1 comparisons/Benchmarks

Here is my latest FF14 bench. Oc cpu and oc gpu. Reminder that I did a fresh load of w7 last friday. driver set 258.49. SSD, etc... R1

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nice work!

I have a 160gb intel G2 on the way so will start benching with that baby soon too

 

GTA IV on steam for $5 if you want a new benchmark tool heheh

 

Aznguyen316 - Thanks... It's a 16gb install on a 60gb drive. I have very little room as is... Right now I have just cause 2 installed, bfbc2 and mw2 (getting ready for expansion). and a few utilities, benchmark tools, and media stuff.

BW,

StevenX

 

Yeah that was something that I noticed on my desktop. Games that were very cpu dependant saw good boosts with an OC (Arma 2, GTA 4). Those that were not that cpu limiting saw much more stable framerate as opposed to a higher framerate - this was apparent in crysis as the framerate didnt rise but remained much more stable providing for a smoother experience.

 

Ok quick question. I have the R1 and R2 now. I have not gone through this whole thread but has a 3d Mark score been done? SSD benchmark comparison? Anything that hasn't been done?

 

You are probably right about it being the OS. That is the case with Speed Step (Intel's way of letting the CPU be scaled down when full power isn't needed) as well as AMD's version (brainfart--Cool N' Quiet is it called?).

Unfortunately, if it's OS-controlled, it might never be possible to control the settings completely in Windows. That is the case with Speed Step and CoolN'Quiet. Power settings allow some control but only to a limited extent. It is not the hardware that prevents it, it's Windows. Both are fully configurable in Linux; with cpufreqd, you can control how often the OS checks to see if it should change frequencies, how long it has to be at a certain % of cpu usage at any frequency before it steps up or down, it allows thresholds on temperature to set a max or min freq or change any other setting, you can change profiles based on if you're on ac or battery (Windows can do that one at least, but not with the same amount of control over the profile), you can change profiles if a certain program is running (like a game or dvd/movie), you can choose which steps are available for scaling and base it on temperature or battery, and you can set different profiles for each CPU core. I really, really wish Windows had an equivalent of this. For some games, I get a more constant fps in Linux running the game in Wine (Windows emulator) than directly in Windows, which is just ridiculous.

It looks like this failing of Speed Step by Windows will be repeated with Turbo Boost. Given that Speed Step isn't configurable completely, I highly doubt Turbo Boost will be because Speed Step is just about saving power (nothing can really go wrong because there are only a couple set voltage/multiplier combinations to choose between, so it can't cause hardware problems), while with Turbo Boost you have to worry about the voltage and temperature since it's actually overclocking (Speed Step is underclocking). Even in Linux, if a program is made to control every facet of it, it could be dangerous to use unless they have forced safety precautions (like temperature monitoring).

(Off topic, for Linux users, there are two programs to display cpu info including turbo boost already but nothing to control them. There's a command line-only one by Intel: http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/lenb/acpi/utils/pmtools/turbostat/turbostat.c and one with both a command line and gui that I like better i7z - Project Hosting on Google Code.)

 

3dmark06 has been done. Havent done vantage yet.
I have a 160gb intel G2 arriving tomorrow so will also do some ssd benchmarks but the more the merryer

I have had a busy day but tomorrow I will get more gaming benchmarks out

PS, looking at your sig, have you made your m11x your primary laptop? as much as I love mine I am not sure I am ready to give up the m15x yet!

 

just ran it again on R1 with 1324... no effort given other than fresh boot and 335 driver update

 

So I know this isn't a benchmark but it's a response to the poor FFXIV benchmarks.

Square/Enix released the system specs as well as made the game officially available for pre-order with a release date of Sept 30th. The system specs on the box are as follows.

I hope that these m11x's will be able to play it up to par.

 

It makes me worry that you are outscoring me and other r2 users by so much on this. I'm sure the m11x will be able to play the game, but i hope that they utilize whatever it is thats missing on the test for the i7.

 

@kg - It will swing around for R2. Drivers, patches etc.. will make a big difference. I dont think the I7 will really get it's true potential until the newer game graphic engines come out that utilize hyperthreads (cryo2 engine or whatever it's called). All I can advise is to do optimizations that I would do on any machine that I consider hardcore gaming. I made some more vids for BFBC2 last night before the patch. My wife was screaming to get off the machine so I may not get time to upload and post until later in week. I will prolly go ahead and make a vid for FF14 bench so others know I am not full of it.

Another thing to remember is that some benches are DX9 related and some are DX10. I dont know which one FF14 is. I do know that the new drivers REALLY like DX10. I am fine with that. I was bored with DX9 anyway.

Best Wishes,

StevenX

 

Required or recommended? There's a HUGE difference...

 

guys, I have noticed the heat really builds up under the left side of the laptop. Even just idling the laptop is boiling! My old m11x was really cool and I could sit it on my lap for hours without thinking about it. This one needs a tray/cooler

Can any other R2 owners confirm if they get excessive heat on the underside of the laptop?

 

I don't have an R2, but it is probably the i7. The old C2D's had a MAX TEMP of around 70C (roughly, it varied by chip), the new iX chips have a max temp of 100C and under full load will generally operate around 70C.

Basically this means the old C2D could never get as hot as the new i7 will generally run. This translates to a LOT more heat, and thus a hotter laptop.

 

well the cpu does get a lot hotter than the c2d, the temps top at at 70c in the R2 whereas the R1 tops out mid 50's.

I opened the R2 and compared the cpu heatsinks, its twice the size on the R2.

The heat is really starting to bother me. I would often leave my m11x on the bed as it was so cool and the fan rarely engaged on intel. No chance of that with this R2

 

Is heat also an issue with the i5 version of the m11xr2?

 

my i5 gets pretty warm while browsing the internet and doing everyday things, but not too bad(i have the nvidia card set to my primary at all times). But when i game i am forced to put it on a cooling trey. Not overclocked.

 

Maybe the heatsinks bigger because the IGP is integrated along with the CPU? I don't know, is there a seperate heatsink somewhere for R1's IGP?

 

Thanks for posting this info. I was looking for a laptop for bedtime when I want to read .pdf's or light gaming. Now I know i5 will be too hot to handle; bummer.

 

Then you've got something very wrong with your R2.

 

More benches from FF14... playing with graphic settings and utilizing some lessons learned from BFBC2.. 1620... getting a little better. Best Wishes, StevenX



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i got a 1k score on that......... my cpu was clocked @ 166 with turbo on. the gpu is stock.

m11x r2^ might have been the turbo, ill try again later tonight

oh and my 335m was on but it said intel HD in the picture????????

 

for optimus laptop, nvidia do the rendering but intel will do the final display on screen. so that is normal you see intel at the end result. optimus stat tools should show you that your gpu is on

 

confirming what kopicha said. Optimus Tool shows the 335m is turned on and from what i can say the Benchmark runs smoothly on the R2. Altough with the Beta drivers from Dell I can only get a Score of 1055 (996 with old Dell drivers).
The system is still not OC'd.

@stevenxowens792 what optimizaions have you done ? I want to get at least 1500 pts. with the R2 as this is the point you can play the game smoothly

 

my laptop goes crazy hot as well on the left side even with the cooler!!! and my temps dont go above 70C. At a good room temp just browsing(plugged in ) its not that hot but when i run a game it gets reallllllllly hot. O well at least im used to the heat.

oh and to above: I gotten a 1k score as well with the 258.69 drivers w/ modded inf( from this forum)

 

@cyrus - please see my bfbc2 optimization thread.

I dont make posts for REP. I would ask that everyone remember those
lately who have put in a lot of work like NINJA, THX and Myself who have
put in some serious time running benchmark and comparing configs to get
these sub-notebooks running to the max potential.

BW, StevenX

 

Stvenxowens Thankyou for your and others for the hard work at trying to seperate the facts from the company sales propaganda. Reading what you and NINJA, THX AND BESOLO77 write about is what tipped the balance in my buying the M11x, These forums make the diffrence between being a informed laptop buyer or being the person at the BESTBUY store who ask's the company profit driven employee, " What laptop should I buy? ".

 

Totally, +1 for stevenxowens, I got my r2 in last thursday but the girlfriend has keep me busy all weekend, with friends out of town and fourth of july festivities. I haven't had a minute to spare to even unbox my r2 yet!

I can't wait to run some of his optimizations and check the ffxiv benchmark. Not to mention I have an intel m25 80gb ssd sitting on top of my laptop box waiting for me to install it. I'll finally have some time tonight when I get off work aswell as wednesday and thursday to post what I can manage with the r2.

If anybody else has an r2 let me know how your FFXIV benchmarking is going with optimizations or not, low and hq please!

 

Thanks all. I was experimenting over the weekend between ATA/ID or AHCI for the SSD. I created a system restore and then switched over to ahci. I know from research that AHCI is supposed to have some Native Command Queue strings that can assist programs and games. I did some real world gaming and I just didnt see a difference. I know that AHCI can be beneficial for some with removable hard drives but in my case I just didn't see the value. So I switched back to ATA. @Punctual - Congrats on the SSd. I really love mine.

Best wishes,

StevenX

 

Was that 1600 score on low or high steve?

 

I still want to see some r2 numbers on the ff benchmark. I can't get it to work on the new driver (258 or whatever it is) but i still find it really odd that this is one of the only benchmarks that the r2 doesnt even come close to the r1 on.

 

Punctual - I am not certain what you mean by low or high. So I wont make an assumption. I will say it was with the dedicated 335mgt, oc to 575cpu, 875 mem. My usual optimizations. Thanks, StevenX

 

@steve When you run the final fantasy 14 benchmark, it gives you the option to run it in low or high quality. The high quality essentially is worthless on the m11x since we wouldn't be running it @ that resolution but it's just for kicks to see how it scores.

 

I'm in the same boat as you. I bought the m11x so I could play FFXIV on my military deployments. Making me wonder if I should of bought an envy or a g73.

I'm hoping the game launches and the m11x r2/w ssd plays it just fine. I wish I was in the beta so I could see it progressing to a tolerable hardware to performance level.

I don't know anyone on an m11x who's made it into the beta so it's kind of annoying all we have is a benchmark to go off of.

 

@punctual - I got you.. sorry.. the score was on low. I do play @1080p every now and again on COD MW2 on my sony 46'' lcd bravia. The game looks amazing at that level.

Back to FF14... If we (m11 folks here) are having a hard time getting over 1500 then I can only imagine what we would get at 1080p.

BW, StevenX

 

Some more benchmarks - Core i3-M11x vs C2D-M11x

Strangely, the new M11x scored really low in the graphics department.

 

This only verifies what has been shown in other threads - except with the i3 instead of the i5/i7. Small/minimal performance (FPS) gain on most games, with an increase on certain games and/or CPU benchmarks. The low graphics number is probably related to Optimus drivers, etc.

What I'd really like to see though, is a direct comparison between the i3 and i7 - to see what kind of overall increase there is there - especially considering that the latest benchmarks, in some scenarios, point to the OC capabilities not providing any true/real increase in performance (in some cases it's worse).

 

My first bench

3dMark06


FFXIV



Quite happy with the result for my first attempt

 

Excellent results!
Congrats man.

 

I'm assuming the vid was oc'ed?

 

yes sir the gpu is oc'ed

 

Here is the last R1 run. I think this is pretty close to the best that i can do... **1631**
OC gpu and OC cpu. 575 and mem @ 875. I ran fraps during one bench and then turned it off on this one. Most of the time the frames stayed between 26 and 32 fps. During the purple monster raid on the ship it dropped to 19 which was the lowest point during the bench.

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does the overclock help in game performance? ( basically any game)

 

Dalli - It really depends on the game. Some games do not help if they are cpu intensive. No example is easy so let me try to quickly explain. On any machine you have the CPU and then your video card which has a (gpu, mem and shader)
Then you also have the system memory and hard drive. Each component compliments the system. On the whole it is a balance between all of these that determine your performance. Meaning - if you have a fast cpu, fast memory, fast video but slow hard drive you will have decent game play with most games but slow load times.

In our case M11x R1, we have good video card, excellent hard drive (ssd), good memory and slow cpu. Simply put, no matter how much you overclock the video card if the cpu is slowing you down it will not help game play. The old expression "HURRY UP TO SLOW DOWN" comes to mind.

So to sum up, overclocking the gpu will only help on certain games and will vary system to system. (I am sorry.. getting tired and I have loads to say but dont know how to explain it).

 

Its cool, im a mini comp tech myself who acts like a noob on the forums xDD (desktop only..this is my first laptop)

oh and i have the m11x r2, ill go overclock the gpu to see the differences( i dont have time atm so i was wondering)

Thank you steven u help a lot in this community.

All i am going to be worrying about is the heat. Heat has been my enemy for all my computers. I will be using EVGA precision since i use that tool for my gtx 260 in my desktop.( it looks cool too)

I believe u use EVGA as well?

I will invest in a seagate hybrid SSD but i heard those r prone to heat a lot and use more power. I havent done much research on it since it is out of stock on most sites and nor do i have any cash to spend on my m11x.

 

M11xR1 SU7300 OC'd nVidia OC'd 4GBRAM 7200RPM HDD.

Windows WEI with nVidia 197.72 Over-Clocked GPU 571/1370/871 (Stable with Crysis)

Processor: 4.6
Memory(RAM): 5.5
Graphics: 6.6
Gaming graphics: 6.6
Primary hard disk: 5.9​

3DMark06 with nVidia 197.72 Over-Clocked GPU 570/1425/910

3DMark Score: 6934 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score: 3181
SM 3.0 Score: 3414
CPU Score: 1459​

 

Ok.. jumped on the bandwagon. Purchased left 4 dead 2 and installed. I understand some folks are having performance issues. Once again I played for about 20 minutes, got through hotel stage and into the bus swarm phase. Never dropped below 30fps. I took a screen shot of the lowest fps I recorded in game. Me being stupid I have fraps set to not show fps on screenshots. I will take another here shortly. During the swarm I got down to 32fps. That was the absolute lowest in game. During hotel I stayed above 50 most of the time. Settings were full rez, all high settings, high texture, shadow, etc... Love this m11x. May take some video of this game.
BW, StevenX (updated now)



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L4D2 runs really well on M11x for some reason. either the game is really very very well optimize or probably the game engine is really good. on my R2 non OC all settings max out it runs silky smooth too

 

Steven, kopicha et all,

OK, so you are maxing out the graphic settings for LFD2 (me too!), but do you have any AA or AF on? I have both of those at 2x and during intense zombie hordes, it dips to 22 FPS or so, otherwise it sticks to 45-60. I am just trying to figure out if we are comparing the same settings. I have the i5, dell beta drivers and no OC (yet). Thanks