GTX 460M for M15x spotted on Dell Japan!

the card by itself is gonna be at least double that for sure. since the 460m is going for around that price range already.

 

i see that upgrading the x8100 to a single gtx470m costs 590$ in the upgrade section of eurocom

 

Dang, oh well one can dream...

 

Wouldn't this just cause throttling issues with the i7 xm processors? Atleast on the current M15x with the 150W power supply. Who knows if they have actually increased the power rating for the new ones with the GTX 460m.

 

Technically no because the G10x cores in the Fermi cards are manufactured in a 40nm process as opposed to 55nm of the 260m, this will allow more output per watt and the specifications suggest that 480m aside, the 470 and 460 will be 75w, same as the 5870.

 

Well, on paper it's sounding like the GTX 260, 460, and 5850 should all use the same amount of power, though in practice something about the 260 drew more of something than the BIOS was telling it it was able to deal with.

EDIT: Whoops, others beat me to it

 

Perfect. Now the only thing that will put me off will be the price of this GPU.

 

I so need this card. Even at 600 USD - totally worth it.
And yea, need CUDA and all that junk. I use it on a regular basis

Question is if Dell Nordic Spare Parts is willing to sell them.

 

Then go straight for it if the m15x can handle it

 

You can hold it it man! But then after that you'd probably have to wait like 2 weeks for your system to get built.

 

from what i've been told the 470m will be around $750ish. yikes!!!!

 

I believe that AW should still offer it. We buy AW expecting the best parts, no matter the cost. Why did people get the 1K upgrade to the 920XM before it's abilities were found? Because it was the best part they could get. Personally, I'll stick the 5xxx/6xxx though. Unless of course it is found that the 460M can be OCed to 5850 OC performance.

 

heard the 460 is below the 5850 just by a little bit stock clock, thats why i dint get the Sager NP8690 ... btw xoticpc has the 470m on their sager as a choice for an extra 395 if anyone bother to care.

 

Yeah but the Sagers are damn ugly. Albeit with usb 3.0, as well as pleny other options but with Alienware we get Alienfx, Sense and the all important Alienhead Logo. Lets hope we can find a good aftermarket Fermi card somewhere...

 

yea i dont think i wasted my money on this laptop, considering i could get the asus G73jh for alot more feature, i just love how this laptop carried itself, it unique in that not alot of people knows about it and the lighting features just got me lol call me easily amuse

 

Well, if I survive the wait I can handle that part-just so I know it's really coming, you know? I have to resist opening this thing tonight again! COME ON DELL! :-D

 

Fantastic, I was worried having an upgradeable GFX card in my laptop would be a dead path, but seems we WILL have an upgrade. Something for down the road if I can play a game that even makes my 5850 sweat (so far none of my games even bother this card).

That said, very pricey for the little gains it offers.

 

Dutch dell side has been updated with the GTX 460M for an extra 175 euro on top of the 5850 for the 15X that is..
And.. an optical Drive for the 11X.. Does not say its external

 

Okay, that's good news a second country's been added, but come on, where's the U.S. one? :-/

 

Uhm I also saw the optical drive a while back and even posted a thread about it, but after a few days they added a picture: showing an external drive, while its still not described as an external drive (and they charge 75€ for it lol, while you can get one for 25€).

 

i want to know
gtx 460m 1.5g (you should cost $181.4818 more)

hd 5850

which one is better

i notcied that it has the same card with ASUS G73JW

( http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp113/lhf1995/Album for NBR/13a80c59.png?t=1288082962)

 

just wondering,,

what could have been the real reason of not putting 470m as an option, considering that it has almost a hundred more shader units at the cost of just 10% more TDP...

 

Alienware know people overclock and despite on paper the thermals of both cards are almost the same, there is still probably a difference. Alienware don't want people to run into problems all the time with overheating etc as not every system is the same. Adding a lesser card gives some overhead. Tis why they didn't go with the 285m when people have fitted it and it worked anyway. Also why they've only listed the 5850 not '70. Either way I'm getting my hands on a 470m as soon as Alienware get off their arses and release the bios update.

 

yea, and mostly we need those 470m benchmarks soon

 

If it really would work I wish they'd just give the option and not allow it to overclock, since I'll NEVER do that. But oh well, a GTX 460 is still darned nice, so... WHERE IS IT! :-D

 

You shouldn't need a bios update. Fermi has been supported by the bios for quite awhile now, at least for the M17x. I'm guessing the same should be true for the M15x after bios A08.

 

As soon as we start seeing some legit benchmarks from Fermi cards in m15x's I'll get the section added. Be interesting to see if what Joker said is true.

 

Really? Are you sure you haven't got Fermi mixed up with DX11? I doubt the M17x has had support for it, the R2 versions don't even support Nvidia cards...maybe I'm mistaken but I highly doubt the M15x (at least) has any Fermi support.

 

the m17x does support nvidia cards, it can be equiped witn gtx285, you can see it
at least in the spanish page

 

I beg your pardon, proved wrong so taken back. But I still don't think M15x's support Fermi...

 

The 460m is released in UK now but its only 1GB and not 1.5GB, and the price is an extra £145 from the 5850, about $230

 

it is possible, if there was a need to update it for the new cards they will release the new bios before the card, this was made this way when they introduced the hd5000 card series, no?
the other possibility is that only the new laptops with the card have the new bios, but this wont be normal xD

 

I checked the release notes back to A05, absolutely nothing about Fermi (4xx series) in any of them.

 

in spain its 1gb to, typo?

 

Could be a ghastly thing like manufacture limitation (Asus I'm looking at you). Dell could have gone to the Darkside...

 

More likely than not, they made a typo. Dell has called the 4870 GDDR5 and the 285M GTX GDDR5, when in reality, they had GDDR3 cards. I'm sure it's just a typo.

Anyone want to bet that the 460M will show up on Dell US tomorrow?

 

jajajajaja me not
but strange that they release this card in spain before the us, really strange xd

 

It'd be cool if it did, I'm not going to fret until the 470m comes out, and even then unless it has an amazing price point on it and truly beats the 5850/70 don't know if I'd pick it up. I use programs that would benefit from CUDA/PhysX but not enough to justify what I've seen thus far. Let's all hope the 460 doesn't turn into another 260 fiasco more than an earlier release date. Maybe Dell learned their lesson this time and is doing their homework to prevent a mess again, on second though probably not

 

its hard to imagine a 288 core 470m not beating the 5870 when a 192 core 460m comes close.

if you look at dx11 performance the fermi cards look pretty good

I would upgrade my 5850 for a 470m - assume my machine could supply enough power

 

The 460m doesn't beat it and based on the numbers in real life from what everyone's seen the last thing I heard was that it was close between the 5850/70 and 470m in everything but tesselation. For the price nVidia puts on GPU's it would have to be a lot different in performance to make me switch from what I have now.

 

Bare in mind on the net they are comparing stock 5850/70 with the 460m. It will be harder to compare because as we have seen on these forums that the ati's have plenty of overclocking headroom and are pushed way past what is achievable by previous generation nvidia cards. Now as no one has played with the 460m's clock speeds I think that a good conclusion is that a 470m would be generally faster in most cases especially in DX11 specific tasks AT STOCK CLOCKS. Whether it would be capable of a +10000 Vantage GPU run like what we have seen people here do on their ati's we will have to see.

 

I was likely mistaken about fermi support since I wasn't quite sure if the N11E referred to GF104/106 or G92b:

N11E is listed as the GTS360M on some sites (G92b core based) but the picture below shows otherwise. M15x has no mention of it so it may need a new bios update. However (most likely), if N11E for M17x-R2 refers to the G92b core (e.g. GTX 285M) then M17x-R2 will also need a bios update for fermi.





For those that are curious, here's the release notes for both systems:

These are the bios release notes for the M17x-R2:

And these are the ones for the M15x:

 

Would they be updated yet? I checked both systems, and nothing

 

Until you see a release of A09, or see the 460m pop up in a CTO build on Alienware's website there isn't any support for it Wolfpup. Once you see the A09 bios then it will be updated, until then it's still a no go in the US.

 

Presumably we're just days away from it's release though...

 

Hopefully yes, but with Dell you never know.

 

Dang it, I've had this G73jw TWO WEEKS! I should send it back or just open it :-/ *sigh*

 

Why would you send your g73jw back, it has the same gpu anyway.

back to topic: Personally, I don't see the point in paying more for a weaker card (compared to the 5850). Are people so badly informed that they buy everything thats released because of marketing or...?

I don't understand the current gpu market at all. How can people buy weaker cards for more money, and even if new cards are released that are more powerfull, it is only by a small percentage, for a very high price.

Someone enlighten me plz.

 

For a variety of reasons I'd rather have the Dell, including that for some reason this system has a mercury warning, despite supposedly using an LED backlit screen :-/

It's not a weaker card, and even if it was I'd want it for the better drivers.

 

It is a weaker card in most areas though Wolfpup, the driver difference is negligable at best, and the only area the nVidia beats the 5850 is in PhysX/CUDA heavy apps or DX11, other than that it is weaker. Would you like me to post real life benchmarks of both cards to prove it again?(not notebookcheck, real life Vantage runs)