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    KILLER Wireless-N 1103

    Discussion in 'Alienware M15x' started by JWest, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. JWest

    JWest Master of Notebookery

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    Apparently Alienware is offering these cards in their latest systems.

    Well first of all, are they worth it? And second, if so, can we purchase them anywhere and switch out the intel cards in our M15x's for one of these bad boys? Here's a link to the spec sheet.
     
  2. ejohnson

    ejohnson Is that lemon zest?

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    If you have 3 antennas in your system I guess it should work.
     
  4. JWest

    JWest Master of Notebookery

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    I just don't know where to get one. They seem hard to find at the moment. I saw the 1102 on eBay, but the 1103 can handle up to 450 Mbps through 802.11n, vs 300 Mbps with the 1102. That's really the only spec difference though, and in real-world use you probably wouldn't run across a situation where you would see the difference.
     
  5. svl7

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    As far as I know Aikimox will get some soon, you should be able to get one from him.
     
  6. JWest

    JWest Master of Notebookery

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    Just PM'd him, and he sent me the link, here. I don't have the money at the moment, but whenever I feel like getting it I might. I've always sort of had iffy wifi and lag with this thing, maybe this will help.
     
  7. Mexic00ls

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    that pretty pricy.... ill order one next week
     
  8. JWest

    JWest Master of Notebookery

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    Yeah, $30 for shipping really makes the price go way up :eek: Also, the WLAN card is located under the keyboard, so it takes a bit of teardown to get to, just so you know.
     
  9. ejohnson

    ejohnson Is that lemon zest?

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    There is a guy on ebay that sells the 1102 cards for about 50$ shipped... by the end of the month I am sure he will have the 1103 cards in also.
     
  10. xeroxide

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    i know the killer nic pci card had some onboard memory which people could add custom apps, is this also the case with the notebook version?
     
  11. Mexic00ls

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    yup ive replace the card before, its pretty easy.... $30 dollars for shipping is alot but im still getting it....
     
  12. toltek

    toltek Notebook Guru

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    Those lucky ppl in the U.S. and Canada...
     
  13. ejohnson

    ejohnson Is that lemon zest?

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    Ask the guy on ebay if he is willing to ship to you... if not, I can ship you a card.
     
  14. hluo87

    hluo87 Notebook Enthusiast

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    which one is better?
    Intel 6300 or KILLER 1103?
     
  15. ejohnson

    ejohnson Is that lemon zest?

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    My 1102 card is better than my intel 6200 card, so I would assume the 1103 is better than the 6300.
     
  16. hluo87

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    at which aspect?
    range?speed??!
     
  17. ejohnson

    ejohnson Is that lemon zest?

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    Range the 6200 wins
    overall smoothness of my connection bigfoot wins

    Speed is the same on both, but the intel likes to drop out
     
  18. FallenDawn

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    unnecessary

    I'd rather like a bettter GPU
     
  19. JWest

    JWest Master of Notebookery

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    Yeah, but that's a $300-$600 upgrade. We're talking about a $60-$80 one ;)

    And clearly it's not unnecessary, judging by the results of those who have installed them. It seems to actually improve wireless performance, as promised.
     
  20. hluo87

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    Did you install it?
    Could you provide more details about the improvement?
    Thanks.
     
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    JWest Master of Notebookery

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    Anyone know it's ok for me to use the bigfoot killer 1103 driver for M18x on my M15x? Thank!!
     
  23. ejohnson

    ejohnson Is that lemon zest?

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    Get the drivers from bigfoots website, new drivers just came out on their site.
     
  24. dttran83

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    I didn't know that. I was told that the driver from their actual website is outdated and the driver for m18x is the most update one. I will used the actuall driver from their site now since you said it just got updated. Thank!!
     
  25. ejohnson

    ejohnson Is that lemon zest?

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    July 15th is the newest drivers for bigfoot.
     
  26. Red Dragon3

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    Is the M15X system a 3 antenna or 2?
     
  27. svl7

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    Take a look at your signature... you got the Intel 5300, so you got 3 antennas.
     
  28. TheHighlightGuy

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    Hopefully whoever wanted one didn't order it with that ridiculous $30 shipping.
    Because it's here now, $70, free shipping.
     
  29. ichime

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    I installed the 1103 on my M17x-R2 to replace my Intel N-6300. So far, it is performing much better than the 6300. The pings are lower in both Speedtest.net and the game servers I normally play in. And most importantly, the connection to my router is MUCH more stable; I don't get random disconnects from the Internet anymore.

    This is just from 2 days of testing it, but so far at least, I say it's better than the 6300 by a mile. It might have something to do with it being an Atheros chip (I've had better experiences with Atheros cards anyways).
     
  30. TearTaker

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    Same here. My ping in TF2 has lowered by about 50 points. :)
     
  31. dttran83

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    Which driver did you use for the bigfoot?
     
  32. FallenDawn

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    6300 is enough
     
  33. ichime

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    Version 6.1.0.183 from their website:

    Support
     
  34. Sch3cter

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    Sorry people, I don't see or understand the point in upgrading to this at all! I have the Intel 5300 AGN and spec for spec it's identical to the killer.

    From the Killer site:
    Killer Wireless-N 1103 adapters support dual bands (2.4 GHz and 5GHz), 3-Stream MIMO and IEEE standards-based 802.11a/b/g/n in a half-size mini-PCIe form factor. Killer™ Wireless-N 1103 adapters support industry-leading data rates up to 450 Mbps

    From the Intel site:
    The Intel® WiFi Link 5000 is a family of IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n wireless network adapters that operate in both the 2.4 GHz and 5.0 GHz spectra. These adapters, available in both PCIe* Mini Card and Half Mini Card form factor deliver up to 450 Mbps of bandwidth¹,² via features such as MIMO technology.

    What the difference? Because I can't see any justification in paying good money to upgrade to something that does the same job.

    Sch3cter
     
  35. toltek

    toltek Notebook Guru

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    Now that's a thread killer lol)
    But apparently the latency is slightly lower on the killer 1103 card, which is nice if you do any online gaming. 450Mbps tho is only achievable with a good W-router and on an awesome broadband package which isn't that uncommon anymore.
     
  36. Ghost_AWP

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    I just installed a 1103 in my M17X R2. Played some BFBC2 yesterday and actually noticed a decrease in performance from my old stock Dell card. Ping times to server and in game were the same if not a little lower. If anything, I thought there would be a small improvement based on the traffic prioritization it does on your LAN. I was getting some mild stuttering and lagging all night on 2 different servers. I didn't have TCP No Delay checked, which may fix the problem. But as of right now, I don't see this being worth the $70 I spent on Ebay.
     
  37. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Have you removed the Intel Wi-Fi drivers and software before installing the killer? Also, did you run the Killer Network Manager?
     
  38. maxtek

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    You buy these cards for their network prioritizing software.