Even if the "Tonga" stomped the 980M, by the time AMD released it, NVIDIA will be onto Pascal which will stomp Tonga. It's also unlikely that their M390x will beat the 980M. The M295x isn't even beating the 780M, lol.
AMD is about one (1) generation behind NVIDIA in regards to performance. This is bad because NVIDIA doesn't have to do anything but re-brand while their largest competitor plays catch-up. In other words, there's no incentive for NVIDIA to move on because there really isn't "good" competition. However, I suppose if they keep moving forward, they will have larger capitalization of the GPU market. So, NVIDIA is in an excellent position either way.
What's up with these names? lol.
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True, they both seem to suffer from the same form of brain damage.
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@Alienware-Frank
I've had the absolute worst customer service in my life from your company. Nobody in your tech support or anything has been able to do anything right. I'm sending you a PM for when you're off vacation. If you can fix the issue for me, I'll keep the laptop, if not I want my money back.
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omg guys i really i don't trust DELL anymore i should receive my laptop two days ago but i received two tablet *snip* i talked to them they did NOT believe me they said you already got your laptop i keep explaining to them i only got two tablet omgggggggg. Finally after taking pic and sending them to dell they did believe me and they said they will send me my laptop the Alienware 17 and i will get it next month really next month *snip*. *snip* is this a company or what really i paid $2,316 and that what i get ****ty service. i keep calling them to see when i will receive it.If i'm not going to receive it this month they can keep it i will ask them for my money.I still i can not believe what happened to me with them two tablet that what i got for $2,316 !!!!. you can see the order number in the pic the alienware is 775320407 but its not its a *snip* tablet. sorry if my English is bad its my second language
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Alienware-L_Porras Company Representative
I would like you to send us an email to [email protected] with your order number and a brief description of the issue, we'll try to expedite the order so that it ships as soon as possible to you. We would also like to see what we can do to keep you on our team for a long time.
Mention my name on the email and I'll handle the case myself internally.fahaed120 likes this. -
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Alienware-L_Porras said: ↑No problem. I'll try my best to help out.
We have already answered to most of that with Frank Azor's AMA. If it wasn't answered we've sent it to the marketing team and developers for them to review the feedback.
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nightingale said: ↑How would the graphics amplifier overclock the GPU exactly? if what your representative said at trade shows like CES is accurate, the graphics amplifier detours the motherboard entirely from the onboard 970m/980m in favour of the desktop graphics inside the graphics amplifier.Click to expand...
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Game7a1 said: ↑You could technically have the GA plugged up to the laptop and not have the desktop GPU but the mobile dGPU run.
The laptop should detect that the GA is connected up to a point (command center won't acknowledge such connection). Though I might be wrong on this. Only way to find out is if the BIOS overclocking settings stay enabled even if the desktop GPU is deactivated.Click to expand...
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nightingale said: ↑While that could be true, but i must then ask who in their right mind would buy a graphics amplifier and NOT put a desktop gpu in it? this seems like a completely ludicrous idea for a cashgrab if that is what they are intending to mean by "overclocking".
Basically saying that "you need to pay $300 to overclock", god forbid if youre living outside of the US like me and have to pay even more for the graphics amplifier.Click to expand...
I wanted to know all about it while I could still return it. Unfortunately with dell's delays and then the announcement that the BIOS was being hacked to provide extra power from the battery I cancelled. If I wanted a Prius, I would drive one. If I want an eco-laptop I'd buy one - not what AW have been known for or advertised.
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MickyD1234 said: ↑I ordered one with the GA specifically to test this CPU overclocking out. As we know the machine does not have enough power at stock without the battery topping it up but if the internal chip is disabled that leaves a big chunk for the CPU? The other school of thought is that it has a +5v line that is both detect and supplemental?
I wanted to know all about it while I could still return it. Unfortunately with dell's delays and then the announcement that the BIOS was being hacked to provide extra power from the battery I cancelled. If I wanted a Prius, I would drive one. If I want an eco-laptop I'd buy one - not what AW have been known for or advertised.
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seriously, i believe the alienware's design team and engineering team need to rething their priorities. I am all in favour of trying to maximize profit, but with this new direction alienware is moving in i do not imagine they are going to be pleasing any audience or any crowd. Unless for some reason a customer prefers gimped performance for top dollar.
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nightingale said: ↑Alienware seem to be trying to shamelessly put a smokescreen around their newest lineup of laptops with this graphics amplifier nonsense, i mean seriously it is not even pcie 16x, how dare they advertise this as a futureproof solution any more than a mxm modular gpu?
seriously, i believe the alienware's design team and engineering team need to rething their priorities. I am all in favour of trying to maximize profit, but with this new direction alienware is moving in i do not imagine they are going to be pleasing any audience or any crowd. Unless for some reason a customer prefers gimped performance for top dollar.
Ironically, these new 2015 alienwares have less bling bling lighting than the previous incarnations too so that is no longer a valid selling point either.Click to expand...
They ultimately sent me a broken machine that is half functional.
Then in the effort to get a replacement, I get rude snarky reps, lies and them not listening to me or doing things without my confirmations. Extremely unprofessional, worst customer service I've ever had. I've had reps flat out refuse to let me speak to their supervisor/manager.
Now with the no overclocking bit on laptops, I can see why people would turn away from laptops now.Last edited: Feb 18, 2015TomJGX and nightingale like this. -
Trying to order one for my friend here, sales rep insists that 180W is "enough" lol.
180w = single gpu
240w = m18x
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Mobius 1 said: ↑Trying to order one for my friend here, sales rep insists that 180W is "enough" lol.Click to expand...
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If you want desktop graphics and need mobility - get an msi gs30 - im telling you all these problems you new aw consumers are having - i have none - it works great. I saw them on newegg open box for 1520$ - add a 300$ 970 and its cheaper than an aw13 with 16g ram and ssds with ga and card - plus no gimped cpu no gimped pcie no fit and finish probs, no display ghosting, no underpowered psu and most of all no driver deleting and reinstalling. Seriously - fellow laptops gaming enthusiasts put your money towards a solid working product. Cheers
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I have a desktop. When I want mobility my 18x r2 goes with me. It's a laptop, it fields up and is mobile for my liking. I hate compromising wih anemic crap even if gaming on the go.
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ecundiff1 said: ↑If you want desktop graphics and need mobility - get an msi gs30 - im telling you all these problems you new aw consumers are having - i have none - it works great. I saw them on newegg open box for 1520$ - add a 300$ 970 and its cheaper than an aw13 with 16g ram and ssds with ga and card - plus no gimped cpu no gimped pcie no fit and finish probs, no display ghosting, no underpowered psu and most of all no driver deleting and reinstalling. Seriously - fellow laptops gaming enthusiasts put your money towards a solid working product. Cheers
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Mobius 1 said: ↑Still soldered CPU, so no.Click to expand...
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TBoneSan said: ↑He's saying both suck eggs because they both have soldered CPUs.Click to expand...
If he wants a non soldered laptop, he should try Eurocom, they have some nice options and can be haggled. Some people have haggled them $200-300 and in some cases a bit more.
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Mobius 1 said: ↑Still soldered CPU, so no.Click to expand...
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Splintah said: ↑Frank you win this round.Click to expand...
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nightingale said: ↑While that could be true, but i must then ask who in their right mind would buy a graphics amplifier and NOT put a desktop gpu in it? this seems like a completely ludicrous idea for a cashgrab if that is what they are intending to mean by "overclocking".
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papusan said: ↑Remember you have to lug with you the empty G / A amplifier wherever you go, if you have or want a little overclock on the laptop. WHAT ?Click to expand...
Sounds utterly ridiculous doesnt it?
I cant even comprehend what alienware is going towards anymore. Like did honestly nobody at alienware engineering or development say "wait a minute, this seems stupid" and pull the plug and go a different direction? like wow... i can't even....Papusan likes this. -
nightingale said: ↑Sounds utterly ridiculous doesnt it?
I cant even comprehend what alienware is going towards anymore. Like did honestly nobody at alienware engineering or development say "wait a minute, this seems stupid" and pull the plug and go a different direction? like wow... i can't even....Click to expand...
Remember you have to lug with you the empty G / A amplifier wherever you go, if you have or want a little overclock on the laptop. WHAT ?
Remember that in addition to this nonsense with overclocking the laptop with G / A amplifier, you have also another problem .. What is going to happen with hybrid technology which will deliver the laptop enough power, when the battery is broken and you might not buy a new .. A total useless concept. Many are waiting to buy new battery, as this is very costly. Where do you get the extra watts you need under heavy load when the battery is empty and degraded ?
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papusan said: ↑papusan said: ↑
Remember you have to lug with you the empty G / A amplifier wherever you go, if you have or want a little overclock on the laptop. WHAT ?
Remember that in addition to this nonsense with overclocking the laptop with G / A amplifier, you have also another problem .. What is going to happen with hybrid technology which will deliver the laptop enough power, when the battery is broken and you might not buy a new .. A total useless concept. Many are waiting to buy new battery, as this is very costly. Where do you get the extra watts you need under heavy load when the battery is empty and degraded ?
Should you be forced to buy a new battery from Dell, so your Alienware gaming laptop work optimally under load ?Click to expand...
but the idea of having to even ask for a 240w in the first place seems like a completely disastrous oversight by the engineering team who thought that it would be ok to have hybrid power in an EMBEDDED BATTERY laptop. Msi did it, but it was forgiveable because it was somewhat ok but had a removeable battery. I feel like this new engineering/design team need to be fired or have to strongly sit down and re-evaluate their goals and intentions. -
nightingale said: ↑In a way, frank and khan are doing a great job allbeit slowly helping people get 240w psu's to bypass the abominable hybrid technology and kudos to them for it.
but the idea of having to even ask for a 240w in the first place seems like a completely disastrous oversight by the engineering team who thought that it would be ok to have hybrid power in an EMBEDDED BATTERY laptop. Msi did it, but it was forgiveable because it was somewhat ok but had a removeable battery. I feel like this new engineering/design team need to be fired or have to strongly sit down and re-evaluate their goals and intentions.Click to expand...A perverse idea from Msi who is finally realized that they tricked their customers .. They send their gaming laptops with a better 230W now ..
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Splintah said: ↑Just purchased a 17r 2Click to expand...
1. Don't get all the negativity in this forum. Just don't buy AW, buy something else.
2. If the PSU problem bothers you, get the 240w, or pay for a 330w(most of us will be happy with 180w and new bios).
3. I think there is a difference between the MSI battery power solution vs the AW have chosen.
4. I always tough the batteries died if they didn't get used/charged a little? What harm can a power spike do to the batteries?
5. Dell Service have been perfect for me, every time I have asked for help!
6. AW are much like Apple. You can sell it for good money, when you buy a new, unlike desktops or other brands.
I have owned 4-5 desktops (self build), and I do change every 2 years. When I sell them, I get about 1/4 of the invested money.
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Kirenaj said: ↑Welcome to the club! (of 17R2 owners)
1. Don't get all the negativity in this forum. Just don't buy AW, buy something else.
2. If the PSU problem bothers you, get the 240w, or pay for a 330w(most of us will be happy with 180w and new bios).
3. I think there is a difference between the MSI battery power solution vs the AW have chosen.
4. I always tough the batteries died if they didn't get used/charged a little? What harm can a power spike do to the batteries?
5. Dell Service have been perfect for me, every time I have asked for help!
6. AW are much like Apple. You can sell it for good money, when you buy a new, unlike desktops or other brands.
I have owned 4-5 desktops (self build), and I do change every 2 years. When I sell them, I get about 1/4 of the invested money.
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Kirenaj said: ↑Welcome to the club! (of 17R2 owners)
1. Don't get all the negativity in this forum. Just don't buy AW, buy something else.
2. If the PSU problem bothers you, get the 240w, or pay for a 330w(most of us will be happy with 180w and new bios).
3. I think there is a difference between the MSI battery power solution vs the AW have chosen.
4. I always tough the batteries died if they didn't get used/charged a little? What harm can a power spike do to the batteries?
5. Dell Service have been perfect for me, every time I have asked for help!
6. AW are much like Apple. You can sell it for good money, when you buy a new, unlike desktops or other brands.
I have owned 4-5 desktops (self build), and I do change every 2 years. When I sell them, I get about 1/4 of the invested money.
When I sold my AW18, I got 3/4 of the investment. Happy that!Click to expand...
2. Indeed... However, the screw up was by AW so they should provide 240W PSU without asking any questions
3. No there isn't.. Both are quite stupid and will wear out batteries
4. It can do a lot of harm
5. Indeed, there were plusses and minuses... When I asked for my 7970M to be replaced by 680M and even offered to pay, they refused.. This was in the UK while in the US, they would do it for free under warranty..
6. Indeed.. Now they're are like Apple, which is ****!steviejones133, TBoneSan, Rotary Heart and 1 other person like this. -
Kirenaj said: ↑Welcome to the club! (of 17R2 owners)
1. Don't get all the negativity in this forum. Just don't buy AW, buy something else.
2. If the PSU problem bothers you, get the 240w, or pay for a 330w(most of us will be happy with 180w and new bios).
3. I think there is a difference between the MSI battery power solution vs the AW have chosen.
4. I always tough the batteries died if they didn't get used/charged a little? What harm can a power spike do to the batteries?
5. Dell Service have been perfect for me, every time I have asked for help!
6. AW are much like Apple. You can sell it for good money, when you buy a new, unlike desktops or other brands.
I have owned 4-5 desktops (self build), and I do change every 2 years. When I sell them, I get about 1/4 of the invested money.
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I don't see how ANYONE thinks that going out and buying a bigger PSU is an acceptable solution to problem No.2 - that problem lies squarely on the shoulders of the manufacturer to get right. If they cannot do the simplest of things correctly (without involving additional costs to their customers to get their machines to function as they should do) then that does note bode well, in my humble opinion.
I wouldn't go out and buy a brand new car and be happy with the fact that it needed additional money spending on it from the get-go for it to work properly.....I fail to see the difference with a computer, toaster or anything else that I would buy brand new.
As for point No.1, if you don't get the negativity it is probably because you don't comprehend the serious change of direction and lack lustre offerings that Dell are now offering under the 'once dominant' Alienware brand - now they are just the same as your average gaming laptop. Dell has lost what advantage it once had over its competitors by doing what they have done....soldered BGA crap, no more Aluminium casing, no more SLI machine.....you name it, the list goes on and on and on.
That's why there is discontent - especially if you owned AW previosuly when they 'were' great machines. Of course, buy something else if they don't appeal, but for those who expected more, and who owned fantastic Alienware products in the past, it's a huge let down as there was so much more that Dell could have done this time around.............
As for point No.3, comparing Alienware to Apple is a joke. Show me an Apple product that could compete with the power and performance of previous Alienware machines - you cannot. Sure, the way Dell have gone makes them 'more like' CrApple products, but that is not a good thing - even if aftermarket values are good. We don't buy high end laptops based on aftermarket values, we buy them on a current performance basis.Last edited: Feb 19, 2015ped, TomJGX, Robbo99999 and 2 others like this. -
In the brisk of gloom, Dell says something unexpected.
http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/alienware/f/3746/t/19620124
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Even better, nvidia is reversing its decision:
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...king-with-347-09-347-25/post/4466443/#4466443
As you know, we are constantly tuning and optimizing the performance of your GeForce PC.
We obsess over every possible optimization so that you can enjoy a perfectly stable machine that balances game, thermal, power, and acoustic performance.
Still, many of you enjoy pushing the system even further with overclocking.
Our recent driver update disabled overclocking on some GTX notebooks. We heard from many of you that you would like this feature enabled again. So, we will again be enabling overclocking in our upcoming driver release next month for those affected notebooks.Click to expand... -
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Game7a1 said: ↑In the brisk of gloom, Dell says something unexpected.
http://en.community.dell.com/owners-club/alienware/f/3746/t/19620124
Progress has been made.Click to expand...
At least we are in the damage limitation stage now. Expect denials and FUD. Like NV are going to arbitrarily change a basic feature on their largest single customer without any reference? Looks like they are going to be the fall guy and just try to keep saying 'we were listening', without root-cause.Last edited: Feb 19, 2015ped, TBoneSan and steviejones133 like this. -
MickyD1234 said: ↑Too funny, 'it wasn't me, honest, NV never told us'. And only after it's resolved - nah I call BS on that one.Click to expand...
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Game7a1 said: ↑Given that they replaced the 347.25 driver on their support page with the 344.88 driver, I don't think this is bullcrap.
One more thing. The thread was created before Nvidia's forum post about making the next driver having overclocking.Click to expand...
Just more dell cynical manipulation of their faithful, and I was one up until this BS.TomJGX, TBoneSan and steviejones133 like this.
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