Cannot get 4850's to work in M17

Im thinking its most definately the X2 in the ID that is the issue. Im using DNA-ATI drivers at the minute and to be fair even though still only one card working the driver is superb. Getting around 13500-14000 in 3dmark 06 and around 5100 in Vantage.

 

Ive just got an E-mail from ALienware;

recently, we have received the information that the ATI RADEON M98 1GB HD4850 will not be available for sale as an upgrade.
I'm really sorry for this.

Kind Regards

Matúš Danko

UK Customer Care Team
UK Technical Support Team

Alienware Ltd

make of it what you will...it looks to me like they are not offering it as an upgrade at all.

 

As I've said in the other 4850 thread in response to you...

They'd be monumentally stupid not to with the profit they could make from it.

You do realise how uninformed these people are.

 

Im sorry Evil but that point about them being stupid not to sell us the 4850s as an upgrade does absolutely nothing for me.

You prove my point about lack of faith in the company with your last sentence.

Hope Im wrong.

 

tony can we just restrict this conversation to the other thread? it's awkward having it across two threads.

But yeah, I will lose my faith in AW if this becomes a reality.

 

Hmmm that is crap news. Most definately keeping the ones I have thats for sure.

 

I'll buy them off you! Name your price!

 

Ok of course....sorry about that!

Even worse news when you see what results Marshall is getting with just one card and old drivers.

Could be just a misunderstanding of course.

buggin out!

 

Dont give up on AW guys, just give them some time, this has been cancelled as an upgrade twice now

Im still convinced crossfire is working, i recon both the cards hardware is being used to get the score, but since there is a lack off drivers for the other card the score is less than full, could you take out 1 card and re-run 3dmark06?

Dont get rid of the 4850's either Youl be a damned lucky guy if you get them working!.

 

Im positive x fire is not working as when you check GPU-Z it clearly says x fire is disabled. Definately the score form one card

 

What processor do you have, a stock desktop 4850 finds it hard to achive that, im doubting one card, gpu-z wont read clearly if the drivers arent all there i dont think.

Whats the full spec on them cards? (memory etc.)

 

Well i get a 13k score with two 3870's. It would be silly if he was using 2x 4850's to get the same score

 

I've been following this (and the other 4850) thread religiously. Just wanted to say good job so far and looking forward to you getting both cards running.

On a side note, I wish everyone would put their laptop's specs on their sigs. It would be a lot easier to come up with ideas. (Hint: Marshall1975 )

 

True cool, but bear in mind only one cards driver is working, the other is semi operational.

I have a single 4850 and i can tell ya it doesnt hit 13k at default settings, unless its been serverely overclocked or i have an uber processor lol.

 

Yea 13k is a bit far fetched for a dual core. But it should be possible with a high clocked quad. Since Vantage score seems spot on.

 

take the card that you think isnt working out... and then retest. that will tell you if your scores are correct.


p.s thats not very good if now their not gonna sell the 4850s to us.

carnt see that somehow m17 with 3870s stuck with them.. m17 with 4850s stuck with them.

 

If they didnt sell the 4850 they would have them in their web site right ? Except if people actually think that AW likes to be on the phone all day saying "Ow sorry we have the cards on the web site but we dont actually sell them".

The answer we got is pretty clear. Yes they sell the m17 with 4850 to new customers and that old customers cant upgrade yet till they get more 4850's in stock since a lot of people want them.

 

What's the *graphics* score of two 4850s in vantage and 3dmark06? Do we have any idea yet?

 

We're not sure yet; that's the problem; we're unsure if Marshall has 1 GPU working (if this is true, damn this 1GB card seems pretty good!), both working but the second being minimally used [and not reporting Xfire as active]; or the crossfire he has just sucks haha

Marshall - have you tried those pre-tweaked 9.7 drivers I uploaded and linked; and tried adding the additional ID for 4850X2 to the two INFs, and force installing?

Try force installing with both standard and X2 IDs and see if they work!

Oh, and as you have GPU-Z now, is it reporting core/memory clocks/memory type?

 

Right I now have a working driver. The CCC even has the crossfire option to turn on and off. Its a DNA-ATI one based around 9.3 so far better than the AW one and not too old. I have only had a chance to test 3dmark 06 and with one card i average 11050 and with both cards i average 16001 so I would think with better drivers this will rise. Dont have them overclocked yet or the processor. Trying to juggle baby and laptop so not really getting much time. Will try and sort out vantage shortly if I can

 

Although it sucks for us M17 owners, I can see why A.W. is holding off on offering them until their stock increases.

And those scores for a single card are awesome! As soon as A.W. has enough to sell these cards to existing M17 owners I will be getting a pair. =)

 

Yeah, the single card is pretty awesome, but the dual cards score isn't all that great.

You're running an X9100 and getting those scores?

I broke 1600 w/ my Q9200. :shrug:

 

those scores are amazing for stock speeds..... dam you AW for messing with our heads so badly!

 

16000 is a good 3dmark score, what are your cpu/gpu clocks? How are temps with both cards working?

 

well he said those are stock.....

 

Hmmm, that looks pretty respectable for 9.3 drivers.
I've actually worked out the 8.57s are 8.12/9.1, however theres been a decent bit of crossfire optimisation since then, and even since 9.3.
To give you a reference, notebookcheck list the following score for a GTX 280M SLI laptop [which is a fair comparison as it also uses a dual core - VERY important when it comes to 3Dmark06 as it gives bonus CPU marks just for having a quad]. Unknown Drivers:

QX18 (Standard 1280x1024) T9900 4096 MB 583 / 950MHz 1024MB GDDR3 VRAM 7.15.11.7936 14340

Given he's not using a quad which is what gives some other scores higher marks; I'm VERY interested to see what the vantage score is.
My DESKTOP GOT 15K and I'm using a Q6600; and I believe it was overclocked at the time as per sig (its currently at stock as Im prepping to sell it)

What does GPU-Z/CCC say your stock 3d clocks are; given you've got drivers now?



@Ovrclkr - you are aware 3dmark 06 basically awards bonus points for running a quad which you are? Vantage should give a much clearer idea on how these perform at stock



Edit: Sorry, one more question, should be a quicky to check! - in the DNA drivers you've got, what code is used for your card in the INF/What code have they installed under in Device Manager?

 

ya these laptop cards will crush a lot of good desktops if those scores were accurate to what we can expect

Now I am almost going to be ok if I cant get an m17x....almost (WHITEBOOK STILL FOR SALE!)

 

16000 is great score stock....with a little overclocking he could easily be breaking the 17k barrier before the M17x does. Really more interested as the above users mentioned in vantange though.

 

ya the vantage scores are what really matter (and are quite impressive)

 

Oh, for reference, I've just re-06'd my quad desktop. It's at stock right now, on your standard [full'o'cack] used Vista 64 installation.
so [email protected], 4GB DDR2, Desktop 4870 512MB /w Cat9.7 [balanced profile], V64.

The 3d06 score is... 12769
Edit: link didn't work

This my friends is gonna be a nice laptop setup

Vantage scores should be bloody interesting.

 

You realize he's running at 3.53, mine was tested at 3.06. 3Dmark doesn't necessarily love quads, it loves ghz. You realize that the record held for 3870's is with a dual core, right?

 

Actually it is a quad, for both vantage and 06. At least that is what ORB shows. I have studied these scores extensively haha as I want to beat them!

 

For the M17? Last I'd checked it was with a X9100.

 

Read up on various 06 test results; 06 loves the quad, its been widely discussed; with some going as far to put duals and quads into the same machine and compare (and got [sometimes significantly] higher scores on the quad; even when running the same or lower clocks).
Agreed; 06 loves clock speed too; however it loves quads just as much; which is why its better to compare dual vs dual and quad vs quad.

Vantage is a lot better for this.


ALSO *ROB* is running at 3.57, he has 3870s. Marshall AKA the guy with the 4850 Xfire is running at stock clocks, inc CPU, he said earlier. I believe he has an X9100; so he's running a 3Ghz just the same as you; except on a dual core!

 

here are the top scores for 3dMark06 and 3dMark Vantage (red box is my score) (these are for 3870x2 cards with ANY drivers and ANY results using these cards)

 

I got my ppl crossed. I thought Marshall was running at 3.57

 

Still though. For the upgrade, and the single card performance, I'd expect higher than a 16K score.

 

Expecting single card to get over 16k is ridiculous....that would put it well ahead of the best desktop GPU's (GTX 295 gets about 17k stock but that is 2 GPU's)

 

My bets are on this machine breaking 18 and 19k, if the user is brave enough to flash the cards (we can get a couple of thousand from benchmarks )
QX9300 Semi OC'D and hd4850 max clocked can achive over 14k single

 

@ Ovrclck350 No worries mate, and I'd agree; I think we'll see higher scores to come; Marshall's running some tweaked DNA 9.3 drivers, and there've been more improvements since; it sounds like there are better scores yet to come; with overclocked cards, better drivers and overclocked CPUs!

I also want to know what clocks this card is running at; 11k from a single card is pretty decent; even compared to most desktop chips

Still, what I really want to see is the GPU score in vantage though as that seems to be a bit more telling when it comes to games rather than pure synthetic performance

 

Clocks on this thing run default at 500 and 850, and can be overdrived to 550 and 900, and flashed to around 575 and 1125.

 

Aye, I figure thats what it might be; but I wondered whether they'd tweaked these 1GB models at all, mem speeds down possibly as a main thought.

Definately looking forward to seeing them at full pelt under vantage though

 

You misunderstood me. I meant based on the hardware upgrade, and how well the single card performance scored, I'd expect the dual card setup to run higher than 16k.

 

Yeah man, i cant wait for these results either, and the m17 with hd4850 x 2 is such a great price in UK, i may save up for the m17 and use my present laptop parts to fuse the two

Just a thought though, i have been having issues with extended desktop though, prey marshall doesnt, everything just goes black lol, the only issue mainly reported with the 4850.

 

hi sorry all ive been reading this post and the other post with intrest

so assuming that us m17 owner will in the futre get these cards will the m17 not be that far behind the m17x.... untill new nvidia cards are available for the m17x

how much difference will their be? 10% 20%

sorry again ive just been reading the main post page and somebody is getting/ wanting a warranty upgrade. my 17 is only 5 months old, can i get 4850s as a warranty upgrade?

forget that ^^^^ i just read the post wrong ( thick me sometimes)

 

Aye it's dropped; its almost comparable to the MSI GT725 (almost) now (the Advent 6555 was an exceptional price compared to anything else generally available in the UK).
£1300 gets you crossfire 4850, 1920 screen and a p8400.

If you drop the screen to 1440x900; then you can fit 4GB of RAM into that £1300 too, completely warrantied. If you're a heavy gamer, the loss of the HDD and Bluray may well be worth that; the screen would depend on the user


KCUK - not necessarily a huge amount; Marshall's stock result has already beaten all 3 of Notebookchecks GTX280 SLI 3dmark 06 results; however obviously better driver results; and vantage results (which may differ) have yet to come.

 

Yeah, that is a rediculous price for what you get, and kcuk, i'd say fully kitted the m17 is better then the m17x in some respects until the m17x gets an upgrade that isnt based off some of nvidias older gpu core.

Although, my machine did come down to 799 before it sold out, which really amazed me hehe.

 

Knowing the purple shirts (I worked there for a few years, in between better stuff a few years back ) 799 machines would have been final stock-shifter clearance (aka we'd rather sell to staff first!); or ex-display etc, not a general available price

 

Hehe, yeah i was gutted to find a few people buying them for 799 when mine was full price at 999, but thats life hehe, you win some, loose some

 

Lets be fair; it's life, we lose a lot more (money especially) than we win/gain