GTX 480m officially confirmed, coincides with E3/Alienware refresh

Well, looking at the desktop cards the GTX 480 has 1.34TFLOPS to the HD 5870's 2.720TFLOPS, and yet the GTX 480 is definitely the more powerful card. It would seem that the ATI cards are more powerful for computational purposes, but that doesn't translate at all directly into gaming performance.

Also, if you consider that the GTX 480M has ~73% of the shaders and ~60% of the clock speed of the GTX 480, that should translate into ~44% of the raw power - this is in keeping with the figure of 594.8GFLOPS - definitely not 897GFLOPS.

 

On paper this thing should beat an MR5870 but by how much still remains to be seen. I have a feeling it won't be as much as people are expecting.

 

I said this in another thread already, but my guess is ~20% at stock clocks. However, because of the very low stock clock speeds it should be possible to overclock it heavily - for example, the desktop GTX 465 looks to be the same card with ~40% higher clocks. Of course, you would also expect power consumption of 150W+ to come with such an overclock, so you'd better have good cooling.

 

Yeah, and combined with the larger power consumption and greater heat, I think it would have to be quite a bit faster to really be a success for Nvidia.

 

My estimate is that it will beat the 5870m by about 20% at stock clocks. Whether the 480m can overclock well is another story given it's insane TDP.

 

Yes it might very well be quite limited with the amount of OC'ing it can handle given it's already big power draw.

 

We seem to agree on that figure. To back it up, the GTX 480M is ~44% of the desktop GTX 480 in terms of shaders and clocks, while the MR5870 is ~41% of the desktop HD 5870. As such, one would expect the GTX 480M vs MR5870 matchup to be very similar to the GTX 480 vs HD 5870 matchup, interestingly enough, though perhaps with another 5-10% going to the Nvidia card.

As for overclocking, well, I think you could manage a lot if you had crazy cooling to go with it. Its power consumption when heavily overclocked would still be similar to that of a dual-card system, at least.

 

I was just thinking of getting an m17x but i think there a refresh around the corner and people who have waited months on end for 5870cf an extra month to see what these can do will only be beneficial with price drops upon there release. Cant wait too see the new refresh models with usb 3 and other goodies. Steps back to the sideline

 

I'm getting one with CF 5870's now. I was going to wait for a refresh, but there are some good sales on right now to make room for the refresh, and I think we're only going to see USB 3.0 and the new Intel chips. Hardly anything to wait for. Either way we'll find out June 15th-17th what they have in store for us, and if it's worthy, I'll return my laptop within my 30 days.

As for the new Nvidia GPU's, given the high power draw of the new chips and the heat they'll bring, and considering their enormous cost and the failure rates of their older cards, I think I'm going to stay loyal to ATI for a while regardless if there is an Alienware refresh sporting the 480M's.

 

Bring it Nvidia

I think this thing may be a terrible flop, I think the desktop version is subpar compared to the 5870, I cant see any reason why the mobile version is going to do any better.


You can probably get two 5870m's in a machine for only a bit more than a 480m and I mean that in both terms of cost out of your pocket and the heat/power used by the machine.

So while the 480m may be the new strongest single gpu it does not get that crown without alot of sacrifice in efficiency, and a 5870CF machine will still win title for strongest gaming machine witch kinda leaves the single 480m standing by itself in a lonely place.

I would not count on 480m SLI.... it sounds way too hot & power hungry to fit into any normal machine. Somebody (Alienware/Sager) may try, but that is probably not a machine that even I would want to be taking around, cyber cafe would charge you hourly for power use

 

Me too, my R2 won't be delivered until 18th June. good timing i guess.

 

Hey guys, i posted n another sectoin of the alienware forums that i spoke to a dell rep today and that i was told to hold on getting the replacement m17x i am entitled to as there is a new system comming out in the very near future. I have 60 days from the day of this post to claim my replacement and he was indirectly confident that i should hold out just a little longer.

As the posts on page 1 point out that Clevo and Nvidia collaborated for a gtx480m machine i think Alienware NEED to be seen to compete and be cutting edge.

 

generally noone goes by what the reps say but a whole refresh of the system is not expected till Sandy Bridge, my guess of this new system would be USB 3.0, Nvidia GTX480M, if its anything else ill be suprised!

 

wait until E3 to make your decision

 

They call that an M17x hooked up to an 11" monitor via HDMI.

 

Quick noob question, whats E3?

 

Follow this E3 Expo: June 15-17 2010

 

thanks, i understand now

 

Everyone is comparing the desktop 480 to the radeon 5870

Isnt the proper comparison 480 vs 5970, 480 is the top nvidia card 5970 top ati card. ati>nvidia

As of October 9th, 2009, the ATI Radeon™ HD 5970 scores in excess of X10000 in 3DMark Vantage v.101, the highest single graphics card score achieved to date

 

the 5970 isn't really a single card: there are 2 chips inside

 

some pics of the new card ! if this is true , it has 2GB of memory plus sli connector

 

It's beautiful!

 

Dude.. a woman can be beautiful.. a scenery can be beautiful...
That.. that can be just nice (although I don't think so)

 

thaigiang;6287641......some pics of the new card ! if this is true , it has 2GB of memory plus sli connector...

Very nice. $750.00+ nice!!

 

lol nvidia for the Huge cost lol no offense

 

I feel sorry for those vram chips.

 

Here is another good pic!

 

After my joyful experience with my M17x-R1 with dual Nvidia's, I will go ATI until it is proven beyond a doubt that Nvidia can match. Now, this thing might, but with the heat that this animal will generate, and insane 100w requirement, it's not really impressing me so far.

I'm sure we will see this hit E3 as a single card solution for the M17x-R2 though. A couple more weeks to go!

 

Did you see this?
CLEVO - Products

Looks just around the corner, I7 desktop cpu, SLI 480M, USB3.0!

 

The 480M might be a beast in its own right but...SLi will create a world of problems.

200W combined power, and all of that heat, compared to around 100-150W for two 5870s.

Even in the M17x that'd fry. And fry the power supply in the process...

 

Imagine if you are able to overclock them. I mean, up to this point even the R2 has had its share of power issues before the BIOS releases. You just know this thing will have similar issues and perhaps more serious.

 

What do you mean, 'perhaps' more serious problems? Unless they do a complete redesign for the M17x, including cooling and power supply, there's no way two 480Ms will fit in there without serious issues, particularly power and heat.

 

I'm hoping for a lower-end version of GTX 4xxM in M17x, 320 cuda cores and 1GB ddr3/ddr5, if it could perform equally to mobility 5870 but a bit cost more, I would pay for it

 

That is exactly what I am worried about and don't forget the article where Nvidia states the 480M is a bit slower than the 5870. That is really what has me worried.

 

I seriously think that there's no flaming point. For 100W of power you might as well have a (far superior) dual GPU system, because that architecture seems to burn so much more power for a small boost in performance.

200W in graphics alone is just redundant (for SLi 480Ms). Gaming laptops consuming near 250W are crazy enough; going above 300W would just be madness, and I'm sorry, at that sort of power putting in a battery would be pointless because nobody would haul such a big laptop around and even if they did it'd burn through the power in about 20 minutes.

I'm not biased in graphics companies, but I'm sorry, nVidia has really lost my interest at this point.

A classic example of why nVidia is still running: someone willing to pay more money for something that performs just as well.

If it performed equally to a 5870 but cost more money, then WHY the HELL would you go for it? It's like those who now will be going for the 260M in the M15x; uninformed, they believe that the most expensive option is the best, even though the 5850 is significantly better.

 

Evil, what I am thinking is that they may offer 480M SLI but they will downclock the cards so they use 150W total.

The question is going to be what is that going to do in terms of performance.

 

If they downclocked them by that much then they'd perform far worse. SLi would be pointless.

 

The reasons are simple:
CUDA, PHYSX and 3D vision. But CUDA is the most important IMHO, as many people work with pro apps and the latest gaming Fermi proves to be quite efficient in cert apps as well.

Personally, I don't need any of the above and thus there's no question for me - ATI all the way.

 

I love Nvidia features and drivers

 

Is physx notisable in games? I watched some batman comparisons on youtube and physx looks quite impressive, how come almost none of you take this into consideration when deciding between an ATI and NVIDIA?

Or is there a way to use PhysX with XF 5870 ?

 

you have been brainwashed ....

all the pro aplication like the CS suite 3ds max maya etc etc that make use of cuda also make use of steam and will soon prob switch over to open CL or DX


physix ..... there is no diference betwen an ati and a nvidia card as the physix engine is software barely 2 games makes use of the hardware engine on the gpu



i also suspect ATI to get a new mobile GPU out one that makes use of the real 5870 core if nvidia manage to out perfor thier 5870 mobility

 

There is only a handful of games with Physx so it's not the most important reason to prefer Nvidia.

I'll answer, despite the uncalled for insults, -
if you're a freelancer, you can easily switch between CUDA or Stream, but when you're a part of a company - it's another story. And don't tell me that most companies working with CS4/5 will easily abandon CUDA in favor of open CL/DX...

 

Well, OpenCL is definitely going to be big. GPU accelerated physics is also going to open up a lot in the near future, so PhysX's days are numbered as well.

 

sry if it sounded like it i didn't ment to insult you it was more like a silly joke


hum if you'r compagnie is using custom software then yes it will be a pain (or rightfully impossible) to swith from cuda to steam/openCL/DX

compagnies tend to be a little conservative effectively some of them even still use win 2k on thier work station
but i've seen lightwave and photoshop make use of my old ati 9600 through stream so for these kind of software cuda or not don't matter much only intel is the devil

 

well I guess we will have to see what the 480M setup benchmarks in June if it is released.

Until then it's speculation, which is fun to do....lol

 

My experiences with AMD/ATi have been negative. I don't like crossfire or sli, I consider it problematic. I'd definitely get the 480M if it could position itself well enough between/around the 5870 & 5870 CF.

In the end, rather than make some foolish bold statement, I will wait for benchmarks.

 

Then I will buy it once I have seen some benchmarks and reviews

 

Hi guys, I spoke to dell yesterday as I am entitle to chanhe my m17x r2 for a new on I am waiting now because he let slip of a new revamp of th m17x and was sure about it being released with in the next month!

Now to the guessing partn my tip will be usb 3 and gtx480m but I don't think much else.

 

That makes no sense. I don't think there will be a revamped M17X next month.

 

I doubt there will be any changes to the M17x R2 They'll probably just drop them into it. I mean it supports them. So i don't see them building a whole new laptop just to support two cards.