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    HOW TO: Monitoring CPU and GPU Temperatures In-Game/In-Benchmark with On-Screen Display

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by Mr. Fox, Apr 4, 2012.

  1. Prasad

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    Got it sorted Bro - as you know. Was simply a case of changing a few HWiNFO main settings....it's all working beautifully again now! Thanks!

    Am I reading you correctly here by saying you dont use the discrete GPU's (Nvidia or AMD) in your machine but prefer to use the Integrated GPU ???

    If that's right, you probably wont be able to monitor temperature of the iGPU as it's onboard the CPU. For reference: http://forum.notebookreview.com/har...onitor-temperature-intels-integrated-gpu.html. App's like GPU-z and HWiNFO etc dont monitor the iGPU as far as I know......
     
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    Hi there. I use the integreted GPU as my primary graphics but I use NVIDIA's switchable graphics for when I play games. So technically, both GPUs are working but the discreet GPU only works when my games are running.
     
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    OK. What exaclty are you trying to monitor? - Your Nvidia temps or temps of the Intel Integrated GFX? - if it's the latter, I dont think there is a separate sensor diode on the CPU to allow accurate iGFX temp. readings whilst running on iGFX.
     
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    I'm trying to monitor my 7970m temps.

    So far, the only application that works is the OpenHardwareMonitor but it will only show 7970m temps when the graphic switching is enabled (whe games are running).

    The reason why I am asking is because I do not like OpenHardwareMonitor; plus it is still on beta stage.
     
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    OK. Try HWiNFO64. It should work to monitor all your temps including CPU. Download the Portable .zip version from the link I just posted.
     
  7. Mr. Fox

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    Yes, agree with Steve. HWiNFO64 works with the 7970M.
     
  8. likewise

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    Hey, first off I really appreciate the guide everything worked perfect... However I decided I only wanted that during testing and I no longer want to use OSD in afterburner and NEED HELP... I turned off everything back in the HWINFO64 app, and unclicked every option in afterburner for anything that was checked in the OSD, I turned both HWINFO and Rivatuner to not start with windows, i even tried to set up a quick key to block the OSD and I CANT GET OSD TO STOP LAUNCHING in AFTERBURNER now... I went into the INI file too and did the "-0 value" for the 2 places mentioned and no matter what I do, as soon as i close OSD it reopens itself... I switched it to start with windows back and forth, may have made a mistake by deleting the profile out of Riviatuner/osd trying to get it to stop... CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE ME INSTRUCTIONS ON REMOVING HWINFO, AND FOR GETTING AFTERBURNER TO STOP LAUNCHING THE OSD PLEASE ITS DRIVING ME NUTS FOR OVER 2 HOURS CANT FIGURE IT OUT.
     
  9. zipidy928

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    I tried downloading the 32 version while I'm at work and it looks very promising. I will download the 62 version when I get home.

    Thanks for the suggestion!
     
  10. steviejones133

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    No probs. The 64bit version works just fine for me....and lots of others too!
     
  11. Metallica93

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    Hey, guys. A couple of follow-up questions regarding HWiNFO64 and MSI Afterburner. Everything is working perfectly (thanks for all the help - great thread), but if I could get these two issues resolved that would be beyond awesome. Anyway...

    I have to keep HWiNFO64 open in order for MSI Afterburner's On-Screen Display to show some of the settings (CPU temp, usage, etc). I'm sure you guys already know that's a given. Is there any way for the OSD to read these settings without HWiNFO running in the background? I'm a fan of turning off/shutting down as many programs and applications as I possibly can when, for instance, playing a game. Does HWiNFO use that much CPU power (logic would indicate that it requires nothing from the GPU)? I'm assuming that it does not and that the power consumption is negligible. /noob question

    I attempted to record via MSI Afterburner for the first time using Dead Space. My frame rate was beyond what I've ever played with, ranging from 70-150fps. The sucky thing, though, is that when I hit the "Record" hotkey the frame rate dropped by 50-60fps. I've never recorded anything before (hell, I barely took screenshots) so I don't know what the problem is.

    - I have Video Format set to MJPG compression, 100% Quality set to, well... 100% quality, Frame Size set to 1/2 frame, Frame Rate set to 60fps, and Frame Rate Limit disabled.

    I'm assuming that this is probably a CPU/GPU bottleneck issue (most likely my CPU). At any rate, I've overclocked my GPU without messing with voltages (yet, I'm still learning) and I'm about to see if my CPU's 4th core will unlock and will overclock it, either way.
     
  12. Mr. Fox

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    I'll respond in different text below...
     
  13. Ali250

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    First off, a major thanks for the n00b-friendly and exhaustive guide. Been looking around the net for something just like this.

    Secondly, (and I'm sure this must have been covered somewhere, but I couldn't find it), is it possible to toggle the on-screen display on/off? Because the only reason I want to have this setup is so I can prevent damage to my laptop due to over-heating, and for that I just want to be able to view the temps in-game for a second at a time at short intervals. So can I set a hotkey with which I can easily toggle the display on/off at will?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    I'm not sure if that's possible. You can probably assign a macro key to each app to launch it whilst in game but as for turning it off whilst in game, I'm not sure how. Mr. Fox may be able to shed some light on that one but in the short term, you may elect to do what I do which is to just run HWiNFO/Afterburner when you want to do some monitoring. I don't have them set to "launch with windows" anymore as I don't want them running when I am not using them - seems pointless to have them load up all the time if I am not requiring monitoring at that point.
     
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    Yay, something I can actually help with on this thread! :D

    In Afterburner, there's a "Settings" button at the bottom of the main screen just to the right of "Apply" and "Reset." A long, narrow pop-up box should appear. I can't recall if the hotkey option is under the "On-Screen Display" tab or something else to the right of it, but the window is so narrow that not every tab shows. There are two arrows that point to the left and right to show more tabs like video and screenshot options.

    With only Afterburner running, it will only toggle what you have set to show on the from the "Monitoring" tab under settings. With HWiNFO and Afterburner running, it will show whatever you set in Afterburner along with whatever you have set in HWiNFO.

    Hope this helps and isn't all that confusing to follow!
     
  16. Ali250

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    ^ Thanks man. Works like a charm!
     
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    Nice one, Metallica .... +rep!
     
  18. Metallica93

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    No problem. Glad I could help with something :D

    Thank you, fine sir! It's not too often that I can help around here, but I do enjoy when I can :p

    Not that the +rep has gotten to my head, but may I suggest mentioning this ability as a side note somewhere? Whether I'm using a game as a benchmark or actually using benchmark software I keep the OSD on at all times, but while playing a game I toggle it on/off as I don't need to know my CPU's/GPU's status at all times.

    Just a convenience issue, is all. Don't know if that necessarily warrants any mention, though.
     
  19. Ali250

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    A couple of follow-up questions:

    In MSI AfterBurner's settings, I don't see any option for GPU temperatures under "Active hardware monitoring graphs", all I see is this:
    http://i.imgur.com/ITKFi.png

    Instead I've selected the GPU temperature from HWiNFO64 under the Dell EC heading to appear the on-screen display (hoping it's accurate). For reference, my GPU is an ATI 7670M; I'm assuming temps only show up in MSI AfterBurner for higher end GPUs(?).

    Another weird glitch is that the RivaTuner OSD often doesn't start on start-up (even though I have ticked the option for auto-startup on booting). Even when I click on it from the start menu I see no UI or tray icon, but somehow the on-screen display ingame works fine o_0 I'm using a freshly installed Windows 7 (just a few days old) so I'm kinda surprised at glitches like this.
     
  20. mi3x

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    great guide + repped!
    I also enabled the fps in AB, but I remember having read they are not as accurate as it should be? Should I use fraps, or AB is good enough?
     
  21. Mr. Fox

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    You have to enable the Rivatuner sensor in HWiNFO64 for GPU temps.

    AB's FPS reading is accurate. If I run fraps they match and the AB FPS reading matches the FPS reported by the benchmark in the lower bar when I run Vantage.
     
  22. estionx

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    Hi,i have a m17x r3 with gtx580m.I have problems with hwinfo, I leave my settings below:

    the problem is that when I have a few minutes playing,the sensors longer updated, hwinfo64 stops and dont close and the fans stay to the fullest...after the pc has trouble turning off

    thnx

    cnfig1.jpg cnfig2.jpg cnfig3.jpg
     
  23. Mr. Fox

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    Please read through this thread and look at the settings in screen shots that are already posted. Set yours to match and you should be in good shape.

    Please review the forum rules. Your images were being displayed much larger than allowed. Please use thumbnails, place them in a spoiler, or resize them.
     
  24. estionx

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    sorry for the size of the images!!

    I've read the thread and tried several configurations but can´t get hwinfo64 freeze after play a game,I'll try again tomorrow reviewing the screenshot again.
     
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    If i play without battery and EC Support enable all goes well,hwinfo64 dont frozen and computer restart/turnoff well...but if i play with battery with the same configuration of hwinfo all goes bad,hwinfo64 crashes...

    If i disable EC Support and only enable SW SMI all goes well but the fan only takes 4000rpms max.


    Is there any solution ??

    thanks!

    P.D.: I´ve tried the "nVidia GPU [#1] nVidia Geforce GTX 580" with GPU sensor and "CPU digital thermal Sensor" with Core Max,I think it is more effective nVidia GPU sensor
     
  26. Mr. Fox

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    Enabling EC support often causes problems. The fans are not capable of running more than 4000 RPM. The manual fan sliders suggest they might go to 7000 RPM, but that is erroneous. They max out at like 3800 RPM (don't remember the exact number). The information being reported is good. The second option is fine if it is working for you.
     
  27. estionx

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    Ok,then when we put a value above +4000rpm are forcing fans ?
     
  28. Mr. Fox

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    The fans run at the max speed once they reach it. Just slide it all the way over and don't worry about the setting.
     
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    Remember a short while ago I was complaining about a loss of performance using MW64 with Rivatune?

    I re-did everything a third time before I realized I went wrong here

    I didn't disable this setting when asked.
     

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    Yep. That needs to be disabled. Glad you got it figured out and it's all working again.
     
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    Hello,

    Followed the guide and got everything working for hw monitoring in game but I do notice that I am getting some sound stuttering and glitching even though frames don't seem to be affected.

    Thanks in advance for any possible suggestions.
     
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    How do I change the position of the display and make it bigger? I've tried the zoom feature, corner buttons, and the x, y adjusters. The display stays up in the left corner, I just need to enlarge it a bit and adjust it's position a bit. Any help?? Thanks in advance
     
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    Have you made sure that the Global profile and HWiNFO profile in RivaTuner are exactly the same? - I found that if they weren't, the settings applied in the HWiNFO profile would default to that of the Global profile....
     
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    I did that, now it works. Here's a pic of what i have, how do the numbers look? dirt3_game_2012_09_29_15_42_11_018.jpg
     
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    If the image is to large, tell me how to shrink it down. let me ask, I have to have HW and afterburner running to get all the figures? Also I did not disable that compal ec, I seem to have no problems. If I should disable it, where do I go to find it since I disable the notification box?? Thanks for all the help, this is pretty new stuff for me.
     
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    There is a slider just above the screen adjuster in RivaTuner - drag it to increase/reduce the figures to your liking. The compal settings can be deactivated in HWiNFO - you should get a pop up when you open it and then you can select to disable Comapl readouts for stability.
     
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    I reset the preferences, got the dialog box again and disabled it. Anything else I should not be using in the HW config box?? Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
     
  38. steviejones133

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    No, that's it....you should be good to go now!
     
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    By doing this, does the onscreen monitoring start up when the computer starts, or is it manually started?
     
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    If you have configured it as per the guide, both HWiNFO and AfterBurner *should* start when you boot - they will just sit in your notification area and you will see the HWiNFO icon and the two "jets" of AfterBurner (one with pink numbers and one without). The on-screen readouts will not be displayed until you launch a game. If they don't start automatically, you may have to set it as a windows task upon startup - this happened to me (and I think it's because of running raided ssd's that boot really quickly) so I had to do exactly that with HWiNFO - AfterBurner launched automatically no problem.

    Saying that, I know have them configured to not load at startup - I just launch them when I want to do some monitoring. I felt it pointless to have them running if I was not using them.
     
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    How would you configure them not to load at start-up? Also how does it know when to start during a game?
     
  42. J.Dre

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    Another awesome thread by Mr. Fox, thank you! I'll be reading this more thoroughly when my system arrives.
     
  43. steviejones133

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    To have them NOT load up at start-up, just disregard the points about putting a check in the "run at startup" for both HWiNFO and AB - the OSDwill launch automatically when 3d applications are ran when both programs are running, wether manually or from start up.
     
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    I figured it out. Thanks. When I configure AfterBurner, GPU Shader Clocks isn't a choice on my list. Also frame rates is grayed out so I can't select it.
     
  45. steviejones133

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    If you go to AB settings on the main AB view, select the monitoring tab and scroll down to the parts you want to monitor, if you left click, you should be able to then put a check in the box below to show in OSD.....
     
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    For some reason, my secong GPU and RAM info isn't showing up at all anymore. Just yesterday everything was working. Now it only displays 1 gpu and 1 ram information. GPU 1 core clock, temputure, and memory clock are showing up in MSI afterburner monitoring tab, but the only thing that shows up related to gpu 2 is usage, fan speed, and fan tachometer.
     
  47. Mr. Fox

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    That is a common thing with the 7970M CF setup. If you start watching a video or create a load that invokes the second GPU into being utilized it should reappear. If you disable ULPS it will disappear less frequently.
     
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    Does that apply with the Ram to because it's only showing one. So your saying just to go to YouTube and watch a video and it should fix itself? Why would the second GPU not show up in Afterburner under monitor. Also what is ulps ?
     
  49. Mr. Fox

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    AMD PowerPlay does some goofy things sometimes. It always has, but it's a little goofier with 7970M more than it has been in the past. ULPS is "Ultra Low Power State" (part of PowerPlay). The card disappears because it more or less takes a nap and the sensors disappear from HWiNFO64. I always noticed this right away with when the secondary GPU information vanished in the system tray temp icons and HWiNFO64 sidebar gadget. Any Afterburner system tray icons relating to the secondary GPU will also disappear for the same reason.

    Running, for example, a YouTube video does not fix anything, it just creates enough load where the GPU will wake up and start sending info to HWiNFO64 again. You can also launch a game or benchmark for just a few seconds and it will serve the same purpose. Often killing HWiNFO64 and relaunching it will pick up the sensor readings again. This is just another sign of the silliness that surrounds us with all the power saving-garbage. AMD and NVIDIA are both burning a lot of calories to try to save power and increase battery run time, which is fine for something that is not a high performance gaming system.

    You need to disable ULPS to overclock your GPU. Look at the information in the opening post under "Windows Registry Tweaks" in this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...sink-7970m-crossfire-upgrade.html#post8568526 for instructions.
     
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    Very informative information. Yesterday I tried starting a couple games and it still didn't work. Maybe a video will do the trick. I read the post that you linked in, and I see you recommend over clocking the video card for stability. How much to over clock? I notices while playing games, the screen flickers every so often.
     
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