M17 Bios B13---FIX THE SHUTTERS!!!

sorry i haven't been on helping you this website has been getting me mad for the longest. when i try to post something it says file not found. then i go back, all my info that i typed is gone. i will but will get that for you moo

 

this is this morning


i want to try it but i don't want to take the copper out. i am willing to walk with someone step by step on it threw aim, post whatever

 

The W90vp? Temps are much better than my Whitebook with a QX9300 OEM installed (same one that was in my Whitebook). Thing is whisper quiet and cooler to boot.

The 4870's are ~35-40% faster than the 3870's in Vantage GPU and on par with the 9800M GTXs. WoW with details to max (shadows to zero), provides much better performance and in frame killing areas like Wintergarde, frames were 13-15 vs. 7-9 on the Whitebook and 40-50 vs. 25-35 in Dalaran with the Whitebook consistently. This correlates with the Vantage GPU scores.

Is it big? Yeah, but the cooling system is solid and it does have a 18.4" Screen.

Both PSUs are monstrosities for both systems, lol.

 

I just started stuttering with my qx9300 yesterday when playing Diablo 2 (yes i know old game as hell but im a blizzard fan..). I pulled out the power cord and put it back in and it stopped immediately.. mp3s also started stuttering (sound) and pulling out and plugging the cable back in fixes it also.. The temps never went over 56C on cpu and northridge so its not heat. I dismounted the heatsink to see how if by some coincidence the pad wasnt providing full coverage and it was excelent but i put the silver piece in between anyway and applied mx-2 on both sides and it doesnt help so i put back in a new thermal pad..
Now i desperately need the new bios to fix this. Voltage has to be it. There is no other answer. And i dont mean the B13.. i want ot overclock the cpu.. or i just may get the x9300 or x9500 when they come out instead of the qx9500 if no new bios with overclock which fixes this is out.
And give snowmobile more time to stutter.. i didnt stutter for weeks when i got the first quad and for weeks with this one..
DAMN this notebook.. Its a beast but i cant do this anymore.. Either i get rid of the stutter soon or i am selling aswell.

 

i was stuttering in COD 4 .... i thought it might be some thing else imma try again

 

in project freeze we were saying that silver doesn't do a good job as copper. have you tried that. the pad in mines also got smashed out. it doesn't draw the heat out that well as copper. try that and report back.

 

silver will work as good as copper

its physically impossible for silver not to be better ..... maybe its to thin

 

Yah wut he said. Its not called Arctic Copper for a reason...

Silver, Ag:
Specific Heat Capacity 0.234 J/g-°C 0.0559 BTU/lb-°F
Thermal Conductivity 419 W/m-K 2910 BTU-in/hr-ft²-°F

Copper, Cu:
Specific Heat Capacity 0.385 J/g-°C 0.0920 BTU/lb-°F
Thermal Conductivity 385 W/m-K 2670 BTU-in/hr-ft²-°F

 

I was wondering, the new BIOS will fix the shuttering of the quad, what about the sleep issue?

 

the sleep issue is fixed

 

It is not. That uninstalling and reinstalling of Audio and Video drivers does not work. People posted back on that thread saying the issue had come back.

/hijack

 

yes that was me

 

the only way it can "come back" is if you change something, computers dont just decide to work...

if you update the gpu driver then it will come back ...im still problem free because i haven't installed any drivers i did it in the correct order and never changed

 

The silver is thick enough and contact is perfect.. and as has been said its a better cunductor as copper. And it makes no sense that the pad is bad since my temps are lower than yours on the TZ00 - Northbridge chip.

 

HellCry,

I don't know why some folks seem to have found relief from that whole copper mod thing. But I can tell you, weather you use copper or silver, that if you put thermal paste on either side of that shim, it does absolutely nothing accept transfer the heat in one layer of paste to the next layer of paste and finally to the heatsink.

There are no properties in any metal that allow it to draw more heat through a thermal paste than the paste is already conducting.

The metal is just sitting there and is nothing more than a shim to fill a gap if a gap exists.

Unless the metal shim is connected to a peltier device or another cooling device independant of the stock cooling solution, it is just a shim.

 

the question is: What alienware made in the new bios comparing it to the older version?
it was not the voltage. so what was the change?

 

Hi guys,

first post but I followed the whole Quad desaster for a while now, trying to figure out what's wrong with our M17/840's.

My M17:
QX9300 @ 2.53, 4GB RAM, Dual 3870's, Single 500GB HDD, Vista64 Ultimate

It came with the B10 BIOS and I was plagued with non-stop stuttering.
When I flashed the OCZ .28 BIOS the stutter was gone. I only stutter sometimes while the system is under
heavy load (CPU+GFX+HDD) - which may in fact be heat related.

Saw the new B13 BIOS and flashed it to see if it can really fix the stutter. Boy was I wrong!

With B13 my M17 stutters even when it is ABSOLUTELY IDLE - but only if I'm using the Balanced power profile.
As soon as I switch to High Performance, the stutter gets less - but it's still worse than with the OCZ BIOS.

Conclusion:
This is definitely not heat related, but either Voltage or a bad ACPI BIOS implementation.
That's why unplugging the AC adapter can somewhat cure it temporarily.
Stutter with the OCZ 028 under load (maybe even overclocked) is probably a heat problem which may be fixed
with the copper mod. Nevertheless the Alienware BIOS is total fail. I'm already running the OCZ again.
So we do have 2 separate problems here: a crappy BIOS (Alienware) and heat when under load.

Best solution for now is flashing the OCZ BIOS and mod the NB to fill the gap, but I'm not happy with that.
That's what I paid Alienware 4 grand for? You must be kidding me.

To back up my research here are some screenshots of DPC Latency Checker.
All taken at stock 2.53 GHz, system is IDLE. Each red bar shown is a stutter.

B13 BIOS - Balanced Power Profile



B13 BIOS - High Performance Profile



028 BIOS - Balanced Power Profile



028 BIOS - High Performance Profile

 

Excellent Comparison, thanks for the great info, this is just what we needed to see!

 

yes very cool but the question remains. what's the changelog of the new
AW bios? if the voltage didn't changed why they stated that the update would fix the shuttering?

 

8gb ram support.
And they said it isnt meant to fix it but PERHAPS it MIGHT help.
As you see it doesnt.
And i have the ocz bios and still stutter even when everything is cold when playing mp3s WITH the silver mod - dont say its worse its the same crap as copper..

 

cameltoe u really still having shutters i have not turned off my M17 since b13 was avilable for dl and i havent had one shutter no matter how hard i make it work i would say for my notebook Problem solved

 

That's great to hear that the B13 Bios at least works for some.

 

Im running that dpc latency checker right now ill see what i get

Ok this is what i got on blanced power with b13


It shot up to 1174 While i was opening them adobe programs and i opend all at one time

 

i'm sorry can you please explain this program.

 

Well Spoke 2 soon b13 Fail Just shuttered on me aww that makes me mad