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    M17x Benchmarks thread !!!

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by The_Moo?, Jun 22, 2009.

  1. Axionkt

    Axionkt Notebook Geek

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    The best thermal paste is Liquid Metal but you have to make sure the thermal paste won't be in contact with aluminium, it literally melts in a few seconds.
     
  2. Kcissem

    Kcissem Notebook Evangelist

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    Well after reading around about thermal pastes, i decided to buy the OCZ Freeze extreme thermal compound today, i need something to try to bring my temps down to an acceptable level in my eyes, this paste plus my cryo cooler that should be in today should keep my system nice and cool. :D


    by the way does any non scratch and non lint cloth work to clean the old thermal off? I plan on using the Artic cleaners to do so.
     
  3. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    I personaly like ICD 7, less of a hassle too, non conductive, not aluminum erroding lol and easy to apply
     
  4. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    ICD7 > Liquid Metal.

    Diamond actually transfers heat better than metal.

    I used the liquid metal pads in my C90S, it worked really well, and fool proof install but it an only be used in area like the core, as it is conductive you cant have it near solder nodes on the chips.

    Also removing the liquid metal stuff is the worst, It wont even let you take your heatsink off unless you heat it up first.
     
  5. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    well no i'm staying with my unit I made the choice because of price performance ratio. I just bought another card so I am going to sli it.i 'm not gonna sell and buy for a 20 percent max performance increase. I checked my vantage scores with johnksss(9800m gtx 57??) and anothergeek(280m 61??) and I a 55?? right now but I know I can push higher(drivers and a lot more tweaks.).

    I just want to know where all the notebooks stand so for what I a seeing if m17x and the np9850 is a tie, then the w90 is second and the np9262 is in third followed by the whitebook and then the qosmio. then if m17x 1st gen and the m1730 is a tie.(not included because it doesn't support quads and even though I know for gaming it will beat the toshiba and the whitebook.)

    I am looking for cooling, performance, design, and negative. honestly you can judge the cooling with the gpu's by my notebook since it uses the cooling same for the gpu's. the cpu is diffeerent since mines has two fans for the cpu, NB, SB, ram, and some other little things I see. I am going to clear everything up and see what's good.

    I am thinking when I have some more money I will swap out my ram with lower timings and heatsinks, and the rest will be determined.

    should I use as5 or mx-2 on my cpu????
     
  6. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    MX-2, OCZ freeze or my personal favorite ICD 7 ;)

    If you went ahead and talked to IC Diamond on the ICD7 page, he might even hook you up with a free tube... he did for me!
     
  7. dondadah88

    dondadah88 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    thanks all for the replies I didn't know as I was writing a paragraph on my thoughts. lol.


    can you please please please take pictures of your notebook opened and striped. I am dying to know how alienware went about this and I want to see the method of how they used to cool it.

    my np9262 is veey advanced and it doesn't seem like one person was in charge of the cooling department. the whitebook is a different story but I have to admit that one fan is serious for cooling two gpu's. but there was lots of ways to improve it.

    in project freeze we got it down to 6-15 degrees on the gpu's. but the cpu was harder since there wasn't to much room under the hood for improvement.

    I dn't like the liquid business seeing as I have pull apart the cover and then just unscrew everything, to run occt for an hour shut off my notebook, and then rip stuff apart before it cools. I like the icd7 thing though.

    it's between the ocz freeze(i think that's mx-2) and the icd7
     
  8. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    No MX-2 is similiar to ICD 7 in viscosity and application and is a great silver based paste... OCZ freeze is like AS5 with none of the excessive curing times... and you should still check for your free tube of ICD 7 on the thread!
     
  9. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    Why sub par overclocking?
     
  10. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    The point is if we use the same tools we have something to compare with.
     
  11. mixedkid

    mixedkid Notebook Enthusiast

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    check out this dude's m17x running crysis all on very high @1920 x 1200

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  12. ViciousXUSMC

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    No it just means you can tell what cpu they have or what clock speed.

    runing a 3dmark06 test is no better than posting your cpu & overclock.

    Infact I could make you a chart basically that tells you what 3dmark06 score you get with what cpu speed.

    So if you would rather see a 3.2ghz cpu represented as 17,000 3dmark06 instead of 3.2ghz then be my guest.

    the video card is not comming into play its all cpu and thats why its a pointless benchmark, You can UNDER clock your gpu and still get the same score.
     
  13. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    Wow fail... due to the drivers probably.... or well he's using fraps lol... and he has fraps on less than 30 fps... he has video lag or... there's alot of things!
     
  14. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    I gained 300 points after GPU OC.
     
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    catacylsm Notebook Prophet

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    Agreed, everything these days seem to sit on CPU, i would have got a w90 if i had the money, even a lower m17x i could build up (getting hold of sagers at decent prices here is just too hard) But the laptop i use now with the configuration buz' through todays games etc, its got processing power and it handles crysis on very high at around 30fps, because it doesnt have much more pixels to render :).

    Sure i loose space for more then say 1 browser on screen, but the ballance of q9000 and 4850 is great with lower res, i would easily have taken the lower end alienware model :D

    What are your clocks mandrake?
     
  16. Clauss

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    Just ran 3dmark06 (sorry vicious I was asked to run it)
    Score was 14555. This may be a really bad question but under my GPU its says geforce GTX 170m. Just curious why it says that when it clearly is not that GPU.
     
  17. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    I've been running my core clock at 680. For the other specs I would need to double check. I'm not at home and I don't remember off the top of my head.
     
  18. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    Which driver are you using? Have you tried the Dox 182.46?
     
  19. Clauss

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    No idea which driver I am using. So that's not a great score, but not bad IMO.
     
  20. dondadah88

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    my score is 10500 stock and 12,500 gpu overclocked.
     
  21. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    Nvidia cards don't play the 3dmark 06 game they hate it ;)

    it says 170m because it does ...most people think that Nvidia was going to call it that but they changed it to try to sell more....170< 260 they wanted to make it look more powerful
     
  22. Clauss

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    well don, my cpu is overclocked at 3.3Ghz right now. So that plays a large factor i assume. I have yet to OC my gpu. I assume that would increase my score also?

    Btw what reso should i be playing it at, i just did it at the reso it gave it at 1280by 1024. Almst 15k for nvidia isnt that bad, for my cards, in my mind. What is the highest any m17x user has got so far?
     
  23. MrButterBiscuits

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    Just over 16k I believe...
     
  24. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    and clauss GPU overclock will help but not much... ;)
     
  25. ex2j

    ex2j Notebook Geek

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    hey clauss, please run crysis benchmark on 1920x1200 with very high details and aa off.
     
  26. Clauss

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    Bah... and the w90 has got 18ksih? damn ATi benchmarking cards...
    k will run now
     
  27. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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  28. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    Lol Benches mean nothing... well not alot... ATI do really well in benches...
    3d Mark just doesn't like Nvidia
     
  29. Clauss

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    Wait moo..what system are you running right now? you got your m17x?!

    btw just ran very high 1900 by 1200, got like 17fps. But that was on 32 bit, ill do it on 64 bit..whoops


    never mind moo..that was the best so far..mah bad
     
  30. catacylsm

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    They also do awesome in games :D
    Benchmarks are worthless
    Just like liquid nitrogen cooling and dry ice etc...proving that your system can achive high numbers for 5 minutes is pointless :)
     
  31. ichime

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    06 doesn't, Vantage however, loves nVidia.
     
  32. Clauss

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    About 17 fps with very high, no AA and native resolution. there you go exj2
     
  33. Kcissem

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    yeah mandrake holds the best score for both 3dmark06 and vantage, i'm not far behind him though but i stopped pushing my because of temps. I got my cooler today so will start pushing again.

    EDIT, his scores are for 3dmark 16.3k and vantage i believe was 11850 or so for the GPU

    i did hit 16,443 in 3dmark06 but that was with a unstable overclock, comp bsod'd right when i was trying to take a screenshot
     
  34. MrButterBiscuits

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    Clauss can you run a bench at a more reasonable Res at least for crysis lol... I want to see what res I can get ~40 fps on
     
  35. Clauss

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    I play crysis on 1900 by 1200 cause it just looks the best. but what would you like it on. I will try it all on high right now to see how much higher it is.
     
  36. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    well lol considering I can immensily enjoy playing crysis on my 1024x768 screen... Desktop 8800 GT OC very high 30 fps... so unless it looks really bad at the 1200x maybe 1650x
     
  37. ex2j

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    thank you :)
     
  38. Clauss

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    Ok well i just ran it on high. About 30 fps with 1900 by 1200 resolution. So which exact res and graphic config you want. SO I don't mess it up or give you skewed results
     
  39. MrButterBiscuits

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    ex2j also remember we haven't figured out all the driver issues and such... you will see much improved scores soon... we don't even know if SLI is working correctly at this point! lol

    Clauss let's try it at the 1650 settings
     
  40. Clauss

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    k will do...wait SLI has issues...mine is working..righT? say yes

    there is no 1650 resolution..1680 or 1600
     
  41. The_Moo™

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    SLI is working fine i unno what butters is talking about because we wouldn't be seeing 11.5k in vatage if it didn't
     
  42. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    lol either one... then maybe the 1200 res too... and as for SLI yess it's working but probably not at full capacity... or quite right
     
  43. Clauss

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    Ok will do 1680 then 1600 then 1200

    on 1680 reso=3.3 FPS but it was above 37 the entire time..makes no sense.
     
  44. MrButterBiscuits

    MrButterBiscuits ~Veritas Y Aequitas~

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    haha well thank you much... that's deserving of + rep

    Ahhh I have to spread rep around before giving more 2 u
     
  45. Clauss

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    1600=32.73. Odd it was less...Ok there is no 1200..there are multiple 1280s and an 1152. pick butterbiscuit man!
     
  46. MrButterBiscuits

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    highest 1280... 16:10 what are the options?
     
  47. Phinagle

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    Are you running the drivers that came with the M17x?

    What would be best is if you're running the same Dox 186.42 version Mandrake and Kcissem are and then test the same game benchmark settings with stock GPU clocks.
     
  48. Clauss

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    Well, i reinstalled vista twice so I guess I am using the drivers that were on the resource CD.


    Also butters, options are 1280- (1024,960, or 720)
     
  49. MrButterBiscuits

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    1280X1024 10 char
     
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    Yeah those are older drivers. The Dox drivers will give a considerable FPS increase but require you to disable the 9400M in the BIOS.

    For resolutions run Vantage and '06 at 1280x1024 and all games at 1920x1080 to compare them directly with the W90.
     
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